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Gehenna said:
She is confirmed as the one who actually made the tweet endorsing Harris. So yes she is a loyalist. The problem for Biden is that while his staff is handling his day to day affairs the actual running of the WH has been handed off to other people since the start. Neither he nor Jill have any actual say on who gets hired or fired.
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What are the odds Kamala offends Jill enough in the next few days to just drop the entire oppo file on TrumpCos doorstep?
 
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Francis York Morgan said:
I mean, the current rumor is Biden essentially left Kamala on read when she tried to call him up about the garbage line. He's so mentally cooked but any moments of clarity and probably anything left of his instincts are dedicated to stabbing this bitch as many times as he can.
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Jill should just send this to the dummy (for her husband) and then block the number.
 
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Maori Kiwifruit Growers said:
"Working class Trump" is something that really sells. I think he realized that to win he has to tone down the manic screaming he did last time and just talk like a person, and make the odd funny joke here and people will vote him in. I don't like him, but damn is he charming when he's not out there screaming like he did the last time.
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Yeah. 2020 was cheated sure. But compare 2020 to 2024 and 2020 campaigning was awful by comparison. It was real bad. Trump was not like this.
 
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Sithis said:
What are the odds Kamala offends Jill enough in the next few days to just drop the entire oppo file on TrumpCos doorstep?
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While that would be immensely cathartic I doubt it. Harris would need to do something beyond even her normal levels of stupid. Attacking Biden directly would do it but anything short of that... unlikely. Do keep in mind, Jill loathes Harris but that doesn't mean she likes Trump. She hates Trump too but its more the hate of finding him to be an unbearable oaf versus her more personal hatred of Harris.
 
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Sithis said:
Sounds almost like a Poso tweet but I could believe it. I also suspect Jill was behind some of the other gaffes from behind the scenes. What I'm curious about is why Biden keeps KJP around, is she not a Harris loyalist at this point?

Hopefully if he is victorious, JD Vance will convince Trump to take the high man approach and let Biden just wither in his dementia while focusing on Obama's leftist machine. I can buy that the Biden Inc is done and resigned, and Joe would never see a prison cell anyway. Hunter is irrelevant, the Chinese wouldn't trust a crackhead with anything big and we already know the Ukrainian dirt on both sides.

But the Obamas have been pulling strings all along and need to have their attempts at political dynasty and kingmaking exposed and curtailed. Schumer, Pelosi, all of em who have propped it up, I'm sure they all have skeletons in their vast closets.
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If Trump wins, the Obamas are cooked anyways. Their legacy would basically be cemented as destroying the Democrat party (based).
 
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General Emílio Médici said:
It's literally colonization. The left cannot do it, they have thrown fits already about how colonizing space is some sort of "white supremacy" because of muh injuns and natives. Of course, as far as I know there are no red skin men in Mars to give smallpox to but that for some reason doesn't stop these clowns from complaining.
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When Elon sends a manned mission to Mars (whether he's a part of the crew or not) and claims it is he going to change its name to Planet X? 🤔

General Emílio Médici said:
The entire thing with Ukraine is horrific. The Euromaiden shit in 2014 was a complete glownigger coup, absolutely needlessly poking Russia in the eye for no real reason. Zelensky's election was full of sussy shit including his opponents having electoral propaganda literally removed from playing on TV mid broadcast and shit.

Reminder that Zelensky term is over. He should have left in May but there have been no elections at all, even though over half of the country has not had a single shot fired in the last 2 years and the frontlines are mostly static.
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There was also a previous coup in Ukraine in 2004. The "Orange Revolution". Like with the 2014 coup the Ukrainians kicked the coup's resulting President, Viktor Yushchenko, out at the next election. He was totally BTFO'd with only 5.5% of the vote! They voted back in the guy they had originally voted for, Viktor Yanukovych. The same guy who then got couped again in 2014! George Soros-funded openDemocracy website boasts about the US Government & The Soros Foundation's (and other NGOs') involvement in the Orange Revolution. (Along with the 2003 "Rose Revolution" coup in Georgia and the 2005 "Tulip Revolution" coup in Kyrgyzstan.)

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/colour_revolutions_3196jsp/
https://archive.is/91kYC

Ukraine & the Orange Revolution section:
Ukraines operation orange

Ukraine epitomises habitual American "instrumentalisation of value-based policies", thus "wrapping security goals in the language of democracy promotion and then confusing democracy promotion with the search for particular political outcomes that enhance those security goals."

Identified by the Clinton administration as a priority country for democratisation and the lynchpin of US post-Soviet foreign policy, Ukraines importance for Nato's eastward expansion is second to none. Clintons special adviser on the former USSR, Richard Morningstar, confirmed during the 1997 Ukraine-Nato pact that "Ukraines security is a key element in the security policy of the United States. " For Zbigniew Brzezinski, the liberal hawk who influences the Democratic partys foreign policy:

"Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire ... if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources, as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state."
With the accession of the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland to Nato by 1999, Ukraine remained the last frontier, the single largest buffer on the Russia-Nato "border". The orange revolution has to be viewed in the context of a defensive Russia attempting to hold on to its sphere of influence in the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and an aggressive Euro-Atlantic eastward push by the European Union and Nato.

The line-up of foreign backing for the two presidential candidates on the eve of the revolution unambiguously unravels this background tug of war. Viktor Yanukovych, the candidate of outgoing president, Leonid Kuchma, received strong verbal and financial support from the Kremlin before, during and after the disputed 2004 election. In a personal meeting with Russian president, Vladimir Putin, just before the election, Yanukovych promised "that he would end Ukraine's policy of seeking membership in NATO." Viktor Yushchenko, the pro-market challenger who benefited from American diplomatic, intelligence and Ingo assistance for the orange revolution, put his eggs entirely in the EU and Nato basket.

Energy politics also figured in Washington's regime change calculus for Ukraine. In July 2004, much to the consternation of the Bush administration and Brussels, Kuchma's government reversed an earlier decision to extend the Odessa-Brody pipeline to Gdansk in Poland. Had the extension occurred, it would have carried enormous Caspian oil flows to the EU, independent of Russia, and weakened Ukraine's overwhelming dependence on Russia for its energy needs.

Jettisoning a project that would have cemented Kiev's westward trajectory, Kuchma decided to open an unused pipeline that would transport oil from the Russian Urals to Odessa. The fallout on US interests was not negligible, as W Engdahl reports: "Washington policy is aimed at direct control over the oil and gas flows from the Caspian, including Turkmenistan, and to counter Russian regional influence from Georgia to Ukraine to Azerbaijan and Iran. The background issue is Washington's unspoken recognition of the looming exhaustion of the world's major sources of cheap high-quality oil, the problem of global oil depletion."

The US ambassador to Ukraine, Carlos Pascual, repeatedly beseeched Kuchma to give up the reversal, arguing that the Polish plan would be more attractive for investors and more profitable for Ukraine in the long term, particularly by attenuating Russian monopoly control and diversifying Ukraine's energy inventory. It was no coincidence that Yushchenko's government, after the orange revolution, restored status quo ante on Odessa-Brody, announcing "positive talks with Chevron, the former company of US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, for the project."

The install-Yushchenko operation in Ukraine had several components. Important power-brokers like the Ukrainian army, the ministry of internal affairs, the security service and senior intelligence officials (silovki) worked against Kuchma's crackdown orders and passed critical inside information to Yushchenko's camp.

Though these Praetorians claimed to have disobeyed executive commands altruistically, there was a pro-US tilt in many vital state agencies. Their communication channel with Yushchenko's aide, Yevyen Marchuk, a Nato favourite and former defence minister who discussed the upcoming elections with US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, in August 2004, suggests a well planned coup detat. Yushchenko's wife, Kateryna Chumachenko, a former Reagan and George H Bush administration official and émigré Ukrainian heavyweight, is alleged to have played a key backdoor part.

None of the above machinations would have mattered without the disputed election result, the amassing of people power on the streets and the engineering of democracy through civil disobedience. It is here that NED and its family of Ingos were most needed.

Having penetrated Ukraine in 1990 at the behest of the George H Bush administration with the assent of the pro-American Leonid Kravchuk, the effective leader of the republic, these Ingos had the power to finance and create the local NGO sector from scratch, controlling its agenda and direction.

The neo-liberal Pora organisation, for instance, was an offshoot of the groundwork done by the "Freedom of Choice Coalition" that was put together in 1999 by the US embassy, the World Bank, NED and the Soros Foundation. On the eve of the orange revolution, NED Gongos hired American pollsters and professional consultants to mine psephological data and unite the opposition under Yushchenko's electoral coalition, months before the poll; trained thousands of local and international election monitors partisan to Yushchenko; organised exit polls in collaboration with western embassies that predicted Yushchenkos victory; and imported "consultants" who had experience in the Serbian overthrow of Milosevic and the Georgian rose revolution.

The mass mobilisation in Kiev was handpicked from Yushchenko's western Ukraine bastions and did not reflect nationwide sentiments. "A few tens of thousands in central Kiev were proclaimed to be 'the people', notwithstanding the fact that many demonstrators nursed violent and anti-democratic viewpoints", writes John Laughland. The NGO monitors, teamed up with western media outlets, deliberately exaggerated electoral fraud involving Yanukovych's party, ignoring serious violations by Yushchenko's.

US government expenditure on the orange revolution has been put at $14 million, while the overall civil-society promotion budget set by Washington for Ukraine (2003-2004) was $57.8-$65 million. The Soros Foundation and Freedom House pumped in a steady flow of funds through Ingos and local NGOs for "elections-related projects."

Massing of pro-Yushchenko crowds in Kievs Independence Square was a meticulous operation of careful, secret planning by Yushchenko's inner circle over a period of years that oversaw distribution of thousands of cameras, backup teams of therapists and psychologists, transportation, heaters, sleeping bags, gas canisters, toilets, soup kitchens, tents, TV and radio coverage, all of which needed "large sums of cash, in this case, much of it American." (Daniel Wolf.)

Local oligarchs and US-based émigré Ukrainian businesspersons also chipped in with sizeable contributions to the neo-liberal Yuschchenko. The shadowy and fungible ties between the US government and democratisation Gongos leave little doubt that the latter were purveyors of large amounts of money in Ukraine that will not appear in audits or annual reports. Public acknowledgements of spending are understatements akin to official casualty figures given by governments during counterinsurgencies.

According to Congressman Ron Paul, the US allocated $60 million for financing the orange revolution "through a series of cut-out NGOs both American and Ukrainian in support of Yushchenko." The figure happens to be "just the tip of the iceberg". Claims that "Russia gave Yanukovych far more money than the United States (gave to Yushchenko)" rest on the myth that US government financing through the NED family "is publicly accountable and transparent."

The NED family's role in first following the Bush administrations lead and anointing Yushchenko's outfit as the only valid manifestation of "civil society" (at the expense of non-neoliberal, anti-authoritarian parties) and then consistently bolstering it with funds and regime-toppling expertise completely blurs lines between impartial democracy promotion and meddling in Ukraines political process.

It tinkers with Robert Dahls basic dimension of democratisation contestation, i.e. the playing-field of political competition and the relative strengths of contenders. Much that was done by the Ingos in the name of democratisation in Ukraine was outright biased, including voter education that is supposed to neutrally inform citizens to make free choices rather than to campaign for a particular candidate: "Yushchenko got the western nod, and floods of money poured in to groups which support him, ranging from the youth organisation, Pora, to various opposition websites." (Jonathan Steele.)

The sinuous route taken by western money can be illustrated with an example. The Poland-America-Ukraine Cooperation Initiative (Pauci), a prominent grantee of Usaid and Freedom House, funded NGOs active in the orange revolution like the International Centre for Policy Studies, which had Yushchenko on its supervisory board. In essence, American Ingos constricted the Ukrainian political space by plumping for the interests of the neo-liberal candidate before the 2004 elections, and partook in a multi-pronged regime-change operation orchestrated in Washington.
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South-East Ukraine almost split from the rest of the country due to the coup. They were planning on becoming the South-East Ukrainian Autonomous Republic.

Mark Goldbridge said:
This discord leak is excellent, there are a lot of interesting usernames. Going through it now, interested to see what I find. Might just update this single post to avoid spam.
Quick glance talking about downvoting all Pro-Trump tweets in Community Notes to in real time attempt to twist the narrative:

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Reminder that whenever you see people on Twitter, reddit and 4chan live countering Trump they get their talking points from this discord server:
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All the left can do is lie and subvert. They could be discussing policies and the best way to present them to voters and how to make their arguments if they think their opinions are correct. Instead it's just winning by any subversive means possible. Basically legally cheating. (Although some of the stuff might not be legal if it's the official Harris-Waltz campaign.) They're evil and just want power, they don't care about the country and its people.
 
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Gehenna said:
Whats depressing is hearing about his dementia moments that are not trying to hide anymore. They just don't get any media traction because... well, Joe is now irrelevant. Hell I haven't even bothered to relay them despite having actual proof of several.

One heartbreaking one that convinced me that the two do love eachother is Joe wandering off in a daze, clearly gone and having no idea where he is, his SS detail sends word to Jill who comes over. Not mad or angry, just concerned. When she calls for Joe he turns to her and just -beams-, saying and I quote "There is the most beautiful woman in the world".

The man is gone, into happier times, and its a fucking tragedy. And any news coming out of him being gone like the baby thing just has lost its luster for me. Its too damn depressing.
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Joe Biden’s life would be tragic if he wasn’t such a piece of shit. He was betrayed by the party he was loyal to for his whole life, and to add to it his brain is so dementia-addled that there’s practically a clip each day of him doing dementia brain shit. If only I felt bad for him.
 
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CaddestSlown said:
Compelling fiction / stories mirror reality.

You can go further beyond and frame it as a cautionary tale of lacking empathy and humanity. A warning of: "That callousness will later bite you in the ass, hard."
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Evil is embedded into Storytelling for a reason. Because it's real. That's why everybody loves a redemption arc and a team up to beat it
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Heck, arc before that usually has the hero losing. We got that in 2020.
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Turns out the Trump saga was a 3 season long arc.
 
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Sithis said:
Sounds almost like a Poso tweet but I could believe it.
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Oh on this bit specifically. Of course it does, he and I use the same type of sources. We are both hooked into the rumor mill with various friends and acquaintances we can personally contact. Where Poso goes wrong is in taking the rumor mill at face value or in making additional interpretations or conclusions based on it and presenting those as fact.

I vet my rumors more and wait until I feel there is enough behind them to consider them credible for consideration, and always present my interpretations or conclusions as just that. Mine.

I consider it as having basic standards.
 
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At this point, I'm half convinced EVERYONE hates Kamala.

Bush fucks it up, Obama clearly doesn't have the enthusiasm, Biden just doesn't give a fuck anymore, there's even rumors of Shapiro being the one that fast-forwarded the approval of extending the early vote.

Her campaign is a disaster, she has no media presence, no talking points, her scriptwriters CLEARLY fuck it up all the time (because if they were competent, they'd spice up her speeches, not keep the shitty "middle class family" bullshit).
The only way this campaign could be worse is if she was genuinely, pro-actively evil.

I can understand people voting against Trump, I have zero idea why anyone would want to vote for Kamala, though.
 
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