Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Mola Ram]

So she likely is infertile.

Calling it now, she's trans.

 

[Beautiful Loser]

Damn, they really did turn the Qunari(Or whatever they're called idrk) into bargain bin jeet-nigger hybrid Draenei.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I don't think Celene is a lesbian. I always thought there was flirtation between Celene and Cailan in those letters. She might have a pseudo-bi thing going on with the elf woman, but there's a guy tied up in her bed in Inquisition. She goes both ways. She hasn't married a man because she doesn't want to share power - she's not a lesbian, she's just selfish.

The real villain of Origins that nobody ever seems to talk about, who is basically orchestrating all this shit behind the scenes to get his family in the royal household with the ear of an idiot patsy king who imprints on any older man with a beard like a fucking baby duck, is this motherfucker:

Who presumably would be looking to enrich himself (AND HIS ORLESIAN FUCKING WIFE!!) through the influence of the Empress.

Do you really think Leliana was in love with the Grey Warden, too? Nah, mate. She was just spying on you. And being really creepy about it. "Ooh la la, Ah would lurrrve to take oeuff yoeour eyelashes, oueone by oueone, hon hon hon hon..."

Fuck off back to Frogland, you Orlesian harlot.

 

[Ishtar]

Calling it now, she's trans.

That would be a fair assumption if DA was ever going to revisit Ferelden(its not).

My point was that Cailan's options were rather limited. Stick with infertile wife of greatest vassal, no heir kingdom falls apart, or marry lesbian french spinster and become province again.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

Fans of dwarf romance, your dreams have coom true.

I don't think Celene is a lesbian.

In the book The Masked Empire by Patrick "Qunari Enjoyer" Weekes specifically had Celine and Briala getting their freak on. That's why they hate one another's guts in Dragon Age Inquisition: Celine betrayed her and her people in a power move, and then thought Briala would understand and get back to munching her rug. Shocker: Briala wouldn't.

 

[Ishtar]

don't think Celene is a lesbian. I always thought there was flirtation between Celene and Cailan in those letters. She might have a pseudo-bi thing going on with the elf woman, but there's a guy tied up in her bed in Inquisition. She goes both ways. She hasn't married a man because she doesn't want to share power - she's not a lesbian, she's just selfish.

That's fair, celene clearly wants to postpone a political marriage as long as she possibly can. She says outright IIRC its the one freedom she won't give up.

Which is selfish, but Orlesians so there ya go.

Do you really think Leliana was in love with the Grey Warden, too? Nah, mate. She was just spying on you. And being really creepy about it. "Ooh la la, Ah would lurrrve to take oeuff yoeour eyelashes, oueone by oueone, hon hon hon hon..."

I mean, that could be true, but Leliana is waxing "we'll be together forever" when talking about the warden in DAI. Her love is genuine.

Her nice gentle nun routine is not.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Fans of dwarf romance, your dreams have coom true.

Hah. Pedophilia too?
Lmao.

 

[LovisXVI]

The old republic is a way better game than this. For starters it has men and women, not genderblobs. Don't diss my boy Baras.

It is actually good if played as a series of campaigns with multiplayer options (having blitzed them in a month, I recommend Imperial Agent last). Even better now since it is literally free to play, no excuses. Just don't bother with the Zakuul stuff, waste of time.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

Okay, my YouTube sub feeds are heating up. People are now uploading full playthroughs, complete cutscenes, full romances, and more. Also, all the usual suspects are hate streaming it for views and shekels.

There's really no need to buy this game at this point unless one really needs to experience a visceral sex change in full purple glory.

 

[strawberry15]

Stick with infertile wife of greatest vassal, no heir kingdom falls apart, or marry lesbian french spinster and become province again.

This is how the manuplators manuplated the kingdom. they made sure that She was incapable of having a baby, therefore put a wedge between King and Loghain. Executors could just pull it off and it would not made loghain a puppet so it is a win win for all players. Cheap maybe but Loghain would still have autonomy.

 

[DavidS877]

I'm about an hour in, I think this is just Mass Effect wearing the skin of Dragon Age.
And the skin is old and rotten.

And no, I did not buy it.

 

[IcedBacon]

Idk how you can call Eamon evil... At worst he has an Orlesian wife. There's nothing to suggest he has ties to Orlais. His nephew was left to die, and Loghain attempts to assassinate him. It makes sense he'd be angry, and it speaks to his character that he tries to avoid civil war.

If anything he's fairly moderate, he clearly wants to see the ancestral Therin bloodline back on the throne, but he lets the Warden decide what to do with Loghain. He's even fine if Anora rules alone, and Alistair stays a warden.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Idk how you can call Eamon evil... At worst he has an Orlesian wife. There's nothing to suggest he has ties to Orlais. His nephew was left to die, and Loghain attempts to assassinate him. It makes sense he'd be angry, and it speaks to his character that he tries to avoid civil war.

If anything he's fairly moderate, he clearly wants to see the ancestral Therin bloodline back on the throne, but he lets the Warden decide what to do with Loghain. He's even fine if Anora rules alone, and Alistair stays a warden.

Arl Eamon literally did not give a fuck about Alistair until he realised who his father was and he became a useful political pawn for him. He used to make him sleep in hay on the floor. He doesn't even give a fuck about you until you save Redcliffe for him. Nigger wouldn't even write you a letter.

Alistair is a fucking moron and Eamon wanted to be advisor to the dumbest king Fereldan had ever seen, essentially being the power behind the throne. His sympathies to Orlais are made obvious, not just through his marriage to Isolde, but also in the letters between him and Cailan that you find at Ostagar, where he's basically saying, "Go on, m8, marry Celene, it'd be poggers topkek."

If you have Alistair executed, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck, and basically just washes his hands of the whole thing and just goes, "Oh well, that's the end of my plan then." It was never about the Thierin bloodline, it was about Eamon's personal enrichment. He's got that swanky pad in Denerim, he wanted a bigger one.

Arl Eamon is an absolute fucking cunt and I'm tired of pretending he's not.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Can you kill all these NPCs?

 

[IcedBacon]

If I remember correctly he basically just says "Divorce Anora she's barren" I don't think he actually suggests marrying Celene.

It COULD be a bit suspicious that he wants to have a King's ear, but the Orlesian collusion hoax is FAKE NEWS. The Fereldan dog lords will join the glorious empire eventually.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

If I remember correctly he basically just says "Divorce Anora she's barren" I don't think he actually suggests marrying Celene.

It COULD be a bit suspicious that he wants to have a King's ear, but the Orlesian collusion hoax is FAKE NEWS. The Fereldan dog lords will join the glorious empire eventually.

Perfumed, manicured hands typed this post.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Also, can I say how nice it is that Origins, a game that was released almost twenty years ago, still sparks this kind of heated, nuanced discussion about character motivations, world politics and what was the right and proper thing to do.

I can't see people EVER doing the same for Veilguard or its characters.

Spoiler

I didn't even see people doing it for Inquisition, to be honest.

 

[bort420]

Not quite. That's part of it, but there's more to it. Look up the posts by Chris L’Etoile ("Stormwaltz") who wrote all the codex, Legion, and many of the best parts of ME1 and ME2. The genius of Mass Effect 1 came from all the writers trying to do their own thing and having their own idea on what the universe should be, making it feel varied and deep, and the departure of Karpyshyn and L'Etoile basically left Walters in charge, and Walters and Hudson are basically called out by L'Etoile as being unimaginative and generally unable to grasp the ideas that L'Etoile was interested in playing with. Walters and Casey Hudson were the ones who banged out the ME3 endings without any consultation or peer review from the other writers on the team. Patrick Weekes once called Hudson a very intelligent writer who has no idea that most people don't see things like he does.

Ah this makes sense. All I knew about them was that they took it over and that you can blame ME3 in general on them shitting the bed with the setting, with EA being surprisingly hands-off for the original trilogy.

DA was woke for the time, but not overly so compared to ME -- you already had sexy lesbian space babes in ME1 that had Jack Thompson et al shitting themselves. It's not like it didn't have weird things like Isabella being a writer's fetish insert though, but it was pretty tame even then.

 

[tigergrinder]

You're both wrong, it's a cry for attention from people that feel excluded. "Look at me I'm genderspeshule" that's what it is. Same with trannies, they just wanna feel special and have privileges over others.

Ah yeah, forgot about the narcissism factor, too. Milquetoast people want to be special and often take the easiest route to achieve it. They're also the same people who weren't told "no" enough by their parents.

 

[bort420]

Idk how you can call Eamon evil... At worst he has an Orlesian wife. There's nothing to suggest he has ties to Orlais.

Bruh this is a setting ripped from the Middle Ages and ASOIAF. Kinship is the strongest of ties and marriages are political at his level -- dude's at worst an earl and probably closer to a true marquise/border lord. He had to have gotten Celene's approval to marry his noble orlesian wife on the d-l. He did not care one whit about Alistair beyond the ability influence the Fereldan monarch and likely marry his house into royalty.

They also ripped his son's story from the Warhammer "imperial governor hides their psyker kid" stock plot but idk if that was a well-known thing then.