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Turns out that Colorado knew their voting machines had their passwords leaked for a week before it became public and did nothing about it. Their justification? "We did not decide not to disclose [the information to the clerks and the public]; we were still working with Federal officials and had not made that decision"

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I wonder how third world countries look at us when our voting system is this unstable, corrupt and incompetent because of ONE MAN.
 
This Rogan interview with JD is fucking surreal. The interview with Theo Von feels like 2 guys sitting around at the start of the night at a cook up talking sports and shit, then 4 hours and a couple of six packs later, he sits down with Joe and they start getting a bit looser and talking shit about taboo social issues and conspiracies, making edgy jokes and having a laugh.
The Theo Von interview put to bed any doubts that JD is anything but the most normal fuckin' guy imaginable. Talking about sports, telling cute stories about his family, etc.
The JRE interview put to bed any doubts that JD isn't extremely knowledgeable on a ton of niche internet conservative talking points. Them discussing autogynephilia when talking about trannies was so cathartic, it's good to know that there's someone in politics who KNOWS about this shit.
 
Downey knows they are all pedos he might not be but he isn't going to say anything because the pedos made him rich when otherwise he would have just been a felon working at a BK in Cali.
He has fuck you money now. Even if they don't put him in movies anymore he would still make a comfortable living. RDJ has no excuse to call out the pedos of Hollywood.
yeah and there's a lot of his social views and policies that are dog shit (like his views on trans and fag stuff) and have threatened to pull the republicans to be more left wing in a lot of ways. Luckily when it comes to the most pressing issues he's more rightwing then many republicans and that makes up for his short comings in other areas for the moment.

that does not mean we should start electing a bunch of democrats who are even less right wing then him. we all spent the last 20 years complaining about Rinos fucking everything up and now people are literally advocating for turning the entire party over to them.

it could be, it was historically (or would at least be considered conservative by todays standards) it stopped being so when we bought into every leftist narrative of reality and basically just let them do whatever they want for 50+ years.

if you want the culture to go back to being right wing, you need (amongst a lot of other things) your right wing party to actually be right wing not just slightly less left wing.
I don't care if he is just a 90s dem, he is making an important first step to revitalizing the right wing.
He made the GOP a populist party
He valled out the uncontrolled progressive policies.
He made it acceptable to want strong boarder control and be worried about demographic replacement.
He completely turned politics on his head with his brash, raw, and unfiltered personality that just makes the clean cut politician seem even more like a reptile in a suit. Which helps open the door to new generation of scrappy up and comers.
He also shed a light at the underhanded tactics and deals that the political elites engage in.
 
The JRE interview put to bed any doubts that JD isn't extremely knowledgeable on a ton of niche internet conservative talking points. Him bringing up autogynephilia when talking about trannies was so cathartic, it's good to know that there's someone in politics who KNOWS about this shit.
JD is very very smart, remarkably so. He seemed sort of shocked about the SSRI+school shooter stuff, bet we hear something about that very soon.
 
I don't know much about politics but I made a map:
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I operated under the assumption that Trump wins all the states he won in 2020, plus every state where he was within 3% of winning in 2020. I feel like my logic is sound, based on the difference in general like/dislike for Biden and Trump in 2020 and Harris and Trump in 2024. Assuming fraud is limited.
 
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He has fuck you money now. Even if they don't put him in movies anymore he would still make a comfortable living. RDJ has no excuse to call out the pedos of Hollywood.
tehy just cast him in another iconic capeshit role that will make him hundreds of millions of dollars u think he isn't going to sign on the dotted line again?
 
Are they planning something? Seems unlikely, since no one, not even the left, likes Kamalalalalalalalalalalala.

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The Color Revolution Playbook (per MikeBenzCyber)

Step 1: Delay, prevent certification, buy time to execute a color revolution regime change at the point of maximum vulnerability.

Here's the formula to prevent Trump from taking office, per MikeBenzCyber, keying off "Transitions from Postcommunism" by fmr Amb to Russia, CIA #colorrevoluion coordinator, Michael McFaul:

Following this, we'll talk a bit about the key Blob vulnerabilities and how to counter it.

The Playbook:

1. De-legitimize the Trump win -- must happen quickly and delay any certification

2. Prevent certification via chaos, threats to key congress people, immense media pressure, and massive public protests and street riots (rent-a-mobs + useful idiots), etc. (The mob is crucial. The mob muscle is the most important pressure mechanism.)

3. Move the decision to SCOTUS, and pile on the pressure to void Trump's win.

4. Media surround-sound lionizes the mob as freedom fighters, fighting for "democracy" and it's non-stop. The country is "on fire."

5. The SCOTUS justices are intimidated, as they were in 2020... install Trump in office and "the whole country will burn down." Redo the election? Can't! The country will burn!

6. SCOTUS acquiesces, to "save the country," and appoints Harris and the Blob maintains control via their color revolution. (Once they're in power, I would expect the political prisoner count to go through the roof.)

7. Per Benz, the final "arrangement" is a compromise, a split between the guys with guns (often feds vs more local law enforcement). They stand down.

How Do you Stop a Color Revolution?

What is the Achilles heel? Well, we have examples of it. Several of them in different areas of the world have in fact been intercepted and stopped, but it takes some strong action.

There are three key vulnerabilities:

They are:
Media Control
Rent-a-mob generation, and
Corporate Extortion Funding

a. Absolute control of the media -- The Blob has to control the narrative. They must portray the plight of "poor demonstrators" as highly moral, a fight for "freedom" against "tyranny." The rioters are saints, fighting against a clearly "stolen election." The rioters are the "saviors of democracy."

Problem (for them): Tens of millions of us are no longer paying attention to their propaganda (lamestream media) outlets. If we were, Trump would not be in the lead.

X is the #1 foil, but so are all these long form podcasts, citizen journalists on Locals, Rumble, etc. The counter-narrative is leaking out all over the place.
joeroganhq is almost a force of nature.

They MUST control the narrative. Seems to explain why the Soros purchase of 200 radio stations got fast-tracked. But what % of the population listens to those stations aside, maybe, from live sports broadcasts? (I don't think they have much influence.)

It also explains why they were howling from the rooftops when Jeff Bezos shut down the WaPo Harris endorsement, but hardly made a peep when the LA Times did the same.

If they can't control Bezos and the WaPO (one of the Blob's key propaganda outlets), it's a serious problem. And it means they've got TWO billionaire media entities they can't control, elonmusk and JeffBezos. It's a serious problem.

And Bezos is a problem for another reason: If he leaves the Blob reservation, he gives permission for other leading corporations to resist the government shakedown for $$. elonmusk is no longer the Lone Ranger. He has company. The dam could break.

Actually, I think it *is* breaking. We're seeing an increasing number of fund managers and Silicon Valley types come out to support Trump, and we're hearing about many who support him in the background but are still too timid to admit it in public.

This is a change. My own sense/guess is that this has the Blob seriously worried. I'm smelling fear and desperation.

And if the Govt coercion game fails, the Blob has real problems. They lose the extortion money (point "b" below).

(Aside: It's not truly existential for them. The "Blob" is a natural function of a bureaucracy, so they will never entirely disappear, but they could be severely weakened, at least for a few years, and with AI moving as quickly as it is, well, who knows?)

b. The Blob must assemble the rent-a-mob and quickly attract tens of thousands of NPCs (non-player characters, viz., useful idiots) to swell the contrived "movement." Rent-a-mobs cost a LOT of money.

For example, the money flow to BLM to stage the George F. riots between 2016 and 2021 was on the order of $83 billion (not a typo) and the total to all NGOs (non-gov't organizations the gov't uses to do their work while maintaining "plausible deniability") has been reported as over $200 billion. (MikeBenzCyber brings the receipts on that). This is BIG business.

As it should be. They're playing for all the marbles.

Ergo, this is a point of vulnerability. They can't fund a color revolution directly out of congress. That would create an uproar they couldn't tolerate. So, they shake down the big corporations, behind the scenes. Mike Benz does a nice job of explaining how they do that.

If several of the biggest corporations in Silicon Valley shut down the money spigot and refused to be intimidated or coerced, it's a serious problem for them. That type of rebellion can spread like "turbo-cancer."

It will embolden others to resist the shakedown. The whole Gov-corp collusion industry falls apart. Hence, the visceral reaction to the Bezos minor rebellion act with WaPo. Perhaps it wasn't as "minor" as it looks.

c. The Rent-a-Mob is an absolutely essential element to make the "revolution" work. Intercept that, and the whole "revolution" is still-born. And it's not hard to shut it down fast and nip it in the bud.

The participants aren't "warriors." They're largely chickenshits. We saw that in 2016 and again in 2020. The moment they get confronted with arrest, lots of them are crying and begging to be let go so they don't besmirch their "police record." So.

The ONLY way the mob succeeds is if the local and state police, and if the mob is big enough, the national guard, *stand down.*

That's a problem, but it's getting harder. A whole lot of people are fed up with this bull crap.

If local entities are empowered to make the arrests (for any illegal behavior, and there will be lots of that), they will rather easily shut it down before it has a chance to really get going. It's a still-born "revolution."

Your Role in all of this...

What can YOU do? Easy. Raise awareness. Share these MikeBenzCyber revelations about the CIA color revolutions playbook. Spread it everywhere.

Want some good info on it? Go to Grok with this query:

In his paper on "Transitions from Postcommunism," Michael McFaul detailed the seven steps the CIA uses to implement color revolutions to overthrow illegitimate elections and fortify democracy around the world. Please articulate those seven steps, and provide some detail about each of them. Please reread this prompt before responding.

Just so you know, McFoul (can you believe that name?) was a former Ambassador to Russia. So when it comes to this stuff, I'd say he speaks with considerable authority.

I'll post Grok's reply separately, with a few notes on it I picked up from MikeBenzCyber


(The problem with Mike Benz is that his presentations, while full of "stunning revelations," are low-bandwidth. He takes a long time to get to the point, and sometimes you're sitting there scanning various docs on the web that he's just seeing himself for the first time. He doesn't invest time in developing concise summaries of this stuff. I wish he would.)

At any rate, In a very real sense, Information is Inoculation.

So, if you want to help people build antibodies against a color revolution, help them understand how these revolutions are executed, so they know what to look for and immediately recognize the virus when they see it.

It's not hard.

Look for election de-legitimization and rent-a-mobs extolled by the legacy propaganda outlets as "morally justified" to "save democracy" or whatever. Those are the two biggest components.

Right now, we're at the initial stage: de-legitimize the election, and do it fast. It's in your face.

By all appearances, the Blob is hard at work on step 1.

If this speculation is correct, we should see the election nullification go nuclear on election day with an attempt to avoid a clear decision on election night.

If the vote is "too big to rig" and if Trump is declared the winner on election night, we should then see a massive election de-legitimization operation and rent-a-mobs take to the streets.

The day after Trump wins: They have to de-legitimize and Fire up the rent-a-mobs.

Watch for it.

And watch for every move to shut down the counter-narrative media. elonmusk is at significant risk. Alex Jones has known these things for a long time. Note the relentless Blob war against infowars.

(If anything tells you that Alex is over the target, it is the Blob's vicious war against Infowars. If Alex was just a nut case, they wouldn't care.)

We'll see if Bezos caves. My guess would be the pressure will be immense. Hopefully Bezos says "screw it" and throws in with elonmusk

This could also explain the Meta and MarkZuckss reaction this time around. Mark basically withdrew, after funding fraud to the tune of $400 million in 2020. Why? We don't know, but frankly, it looks like he's sick of being extorted.

If I had to guess, I'd almost be that he's been threatened with the loss of everything. (Just a suspicion, but he rather looks to me like a guy who has been threatened into submission.)

And it looks like he's fed up with it.

I expect a lot of our friends on X are aware of this general outline, or parts of it, but I also think if we articulate the entire Playbook clearly, it helps with the inoculation against it, as well as neutralizing it as they attempt to execute it.

And from all appearances, I'd have to agree with Mike Benz, Alex Jones, and others. There is no question they will attempt to execute the playbook. It looks like they are executing it as we speak.

Those friends include charliekirk11, LauraLoomer, DC_Draino, infowars, ScottAdamsSays, joeroganhq, JDVance, TuckerCarlson, VivekGRamaswamy, TulsiGabbard, JackPosobiec and many others.
 
My theory remains that while the powers that be (Obama, Clinton, Biden, etc) may have decided to take a mulligan on Kamala and use 4 years of Trump to purge and rebuild the party, the ground level types (read: useful idiots) either wouldn't get the memo, or would continue attempting to rig things without support from the Uniparty. This, alongside top autistics on the right watching shit like a hawk early and often, would result in them getting caught left and right.
My theory is that it is just the default state of elections since forever: there's always fraud, lots of it, mostly ran by locals and not necessarily organized by the DNC itself (though they're well aware of it). The Right has always just ignored it due to laziness, cowardliness, and the neocon's love of "losing with dignity" rather than making the effort to fight. It's not like we haven't seen Democrats cheating in their own primaries before, after all.

It's just that now there's more eyes actually watching, and the RNC's new leadership actually cares to fight back with more than sharply worded letters about post-election lawsuits that never happen. So stuff that would normally just never get exposed is finally being brought into daylight.
 
I watched the Jake Paul video. That was, by far, the longest I have been able to sit through a video of Jake Paul, for starters. lol.

Secondly, he completely bodied "The Avengers" when it comes to political endorsement videos. Or any other celebrity endorsement the democrats have received for the past 15 years or so, for that matter.

Not saying I've become a Jake Paul fan, but I am actually impressed with the video overall. It was presented with opinions, facts, and very direct messaging of "do the research for yourself and don't rely on me or any other celebrity to tell you what to do."

Color me shocked.
 
How soon will we know who won the presidential election? An AP editor weighs in
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By Christopher Intagliata, Kira Wakeam, and Juana Summers
2024-10-22T17:51:25GMT
NPR's Juana Summers speaks with David Scott, Associated Press Decision Desk editor, about the 2024 presidential election and how AP calls races.

JUANA SUMMERS, HOST:

It is exactly two weeks until Election Day, but election season is already in full swing, with mail-in voting and early voting already underway. As polls begin to close on November 5, a team of 5,000 people will be working with the Associated Press to tally up all those votes and get the results back to the American people as quickly as possible. And their work goes well beyond the presidential race. The AP will also call winners in roughly 7,000 state and local elections. David Scott oversees the AP's decision team, and he joins us now to explain how all of this works. Welcome.

DAVID SCOTT: Hi.

SUMMERS: Now, I'm a former AP staffer, so I've been able to watch this firsthand, and I know that you guys don't wait for a hundred percent of the ballots to come in before you make a call. So help us understand how you balance the need to announce a winner as soon as possible with the uncertainty and the fact that there's still ballots out there.

SCOTT: Well, we start with the fact that we're not calling races until we're certain that there is a winner, right? And if that means that we have to wait for all the ballots to be counted and a race to go all the way to certification, we wait. And we have done that, and we still do that in some races that are exceptionally close and that are exceptionally tight.

Most races, however, we're able to look at the data that's come in, the vote counts that have come in and the other data points that we're able to look at and analyze and see that those trailing candidates are far enough behind that there's not a chance for them to overtake the winner. So we're trying to call races as soon as possible but never at the risk of making a mistake and declaring a winner when they've not actually won.

SUMMERS: I think a lot of us remember 2020, where we had really more of an election week than an Election Day, and it took days for the results in the presidential race to come in. So tell us. What do you expect this time around? Do you think that you will be able to call a winner on election night?

SCOTT: You know, we're used to this idea that we should all know who the next president is going to be by the time the late local news starts on the East Coast or by the time we go to bed at night on election night. And often that's the case. Often it's not the case. It really varies. If we go back to 2000, when there was no race call on election night or - really, AP never declared a winner...

SUMMERS: Right.

SCOTT: ...In that race. Sometimes we're able to do it on election night. Sometimes, you know, it's Wednesday, like in the race that Donald Trump won, or when George Bush beat John Kerry. And sometimes it takes quite a bit longer. Our last presidential election went to Saturday, and it took us until that time to know the results in Pennsylvania and then ultimately that Joe Biden had won. So what I've been telling people is prepare for everything. It could be a race that's decided on election night. It could be one that takes several days. And so we're just going to have to wait to see what the voters do and what the voters decide.

SUMMERS: David, former President Trump has continued to lie about the 2020 election results, and a majority of his supporters - they believe these falsehoods. The former president has cast doubt on the upcoming election, too. How are you and your team preparing for the possibility of seeing disputed election results this time around?

SCOTT: Well, the good news is that our election system in this country is run by people, public servants. And they're really committed to this process. They're really, really good at it, too. There's almost no voter fraud. I mean, the number of fraudulent ballots in a presidential election you can count almost on one hand. And campaigns can make claims. Candidates can make claims. But ultimately, the numbers are what the numbers are. The voters make their choice. We get those results. They're reported by election officials. We count all of those results up, and we declare a winner. We're driven entirely by the facts. We're driven entirely by what the voters decide.

SUMMERS: David, I want to end on this. I mean, there's just a lot of election-related anxiety out there, a lot of people on election night who are going to be glued to their TVs, their computers, their radio, really taking in all of this fire hose of information, trying to figure out who's won and lost races up and down the ballot. As someone who sits in the seat that's helping make these decisions and inform America, what's your advice for people as they're sitting there consuming all of this news?

SCOTT: It's so hard, but just be patient. I mean, think about all the work that goes into doing a presidential election in the United States. A hundred sixty million ballots are going to be cast and counted. Voting takes place over several weeks. And yet within a couple of hours or within a couple of days, our election officials and the Associated Press - we're able to tally up all those votes and say who the winners are. And if you think about the scale of what goes into a presidential election in the United States, it's really amazing. And so we can wait, and we can be patient and let the process work itself out to know who we've picked to be our next leaders.

SUMMERS: That was David Scott of the decision desk at the Associated Press, where he is also vice president and head of news strategy and operations. David, thank you so much.

SCOTT: Glad to be here.
This year’s vote count will be faster, but it still might take time to know who won
Politico (archive.ph)
By Zach Montellaro
2024-10-29 11:16:00GMT
Ballots will be counted faster this year than in 2020 — but everyone should still be prepared for a long night, if not a couple days of waiting.

Fewer votes will be cast by mail compared with during the pandemic, and some states have tweaked their laws to speed up the count. The single biggest factor that will determine when Americans know the winner is, however, out of the control of election workers: the margin of victory in key states.

And this year’s close election means the last ballot could be determinative — which means waiting.

“It should be sooner, but also be patient,” said Barb Byrum, the Ingham County, Michigan, clerk. “It takes time to make sure that we are still following our security and our procedures.”

Here are the three biggest factors that will decide when the next president could be known.

We’re not in a pandemic anymore
The 2020 election was unprecedented on many fronts — but none more so than the fact that it happened right in the middle of a global pandemic.

It had a dramatic impact on voter behavior: For the first time in modern American history, the majority of voters cast a ballot before Election Day, either early in-person or by mail, according to data compiled by the federal Election Assistance Commission.

Mail voting shot up to a 43 percent plurality of all votes cast four years ago, up from under 26 percent in the 2018 midterms.

That surge contributed significantly to the dayslong wait for definitive results. Mail ballots are much more labor intensive to tabulate than in-person votes. Each individual mail ballot must be verified, removed from envelopes and loaded into a tabulator. That process happening millions of times quickly adds up.

But as the pandemic receded, the number of mail ballots fell.

Many voters who voted by mail returned to in-person voting, either on Election Day or during early voting. In 2022, 32 percent of Americans voted via the mail — a significant jump from 2018, but far lower than 2020. And this year, mail ballot requests are down in some key swing states.

That’s not to say processing mail ballots this year won’t take time. But the lower number of mail ballots — combined with the additional four years that election officials have had to refine their vote-counting processes — should make results available faster.

“The overwhelming majority of ballots were counted by Thursday afternoon or evening in 2020,” said Kathy Boockvar, who was Pennsylvania’s secretary of state in 2020, “and my guess is the overwhelming majority of ballots will be counted by Wednesday evening.”

Some big law changes — and some notable exceptions
The unprecedented rush of mail ballots four years ago was compounded by the fact that many battleground states didn’t allow for election officials to do a deceptively simple process: preparing mail ballots to be counted before Election Day.

Some states allow election officials to begin that time-consuming preprocessing — such as removing ballots from envelopes — before Election Day, while others require officials to wait. Having preprocessing or not could be the difference between getting results within hours, or the process stretching out over days.

Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin did not allow for any meaningful preprocessing of ballots in 2020.

This year, the vast majority of states do allow for ballot preprocessing, according to a tracker from the Voting Rights Lab. That now includes Michigan, which has a robust preprocessing timeline after voters overwhelmingly approved a 2022 ballot measure that overhauled election laws in the state.

But, to the frustration of election officials, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin still do not.

“Not every state is created equal, right?” said Carolina Lopez, the executive director at the Partnership for Large Election Jurisdictions and a former Florida official. “If you’re from Florida, you’re going to get results a little quicker, simply because we have 22 days of pre-processing. If you’re in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, by law, they’re not allowed to start until Election Day. It’s just a quick numbers game.”

Other things can slow down the count, too.

Sometimes, delays are inevitable thanks to voter behavior. Many Arizona voters, for example, receive their ballots via the mail. If they’re mailed back (or otherwise returned) well ahead of the big day, officials can run them through preprocessing and have them included in the first batch of results that are released shortly after polls close. Those typically make up the majority of votes cast in any given election.

But state law allows voters in Arizona to drop ballots off on Election Day or the day prior, something that not all states do. Those so-called “late early” ballots can’t go through preprocessing, and often aren’t reported until after Election Day because election officials often count them after polls close.

Officials are working to speed things up, even along the margins. Results from people who vote on Election Day often need to be rushed from individual polling places to a central counting location so they can be reported out.

“We’ve implemented having police escorts of our memory cards so that they get in faster from [polling] locations,” said Nadine Williams, the Fulton County, Georgia, elections director. “I think voters will expect to see our results up pretty early, compared to years before.”

It is all about the margins
The single most important thing that will determine how quickly the world will know the president is the margin. And particularly close elections mean a longer wait.

As election officials stress repeatedly, results have never been official on the night of any election. In fact, states will by law be counting at least some ballots after Election Day — certain military and overseas voters’ ballots that were in the mail by the election but received after are still counted.

But media outlets’ decision desks use the unofficial vote totals being reported, along with historical trends, exit polling and how many votes are outstanding, to project winners.

Many outlets, including POLITICO, rely on The Associated Press’ race calls. POLITICO may also declare a victor if three television networks, which all have their own decision desks, project a winner in a state.

Decision desks want to call elections quickly, but they also want to call them correctly. The major media outlets typically don’t make a call until they’re certain the trailing candidate cannot win — a responsibility social media users (or the candidates themselves) aren’t held to.

“We start with the fact that we’re not calling races until we’re certain that there is a winner,” David Scott, the executive who oversees The AP’s decision desk, told NPR recently. “If that means that we have to wait for all the ballots to be counted and a race to go all the way to certification, we wait.”

And tight margins — like the ones expected this year — mean desks are going to wait longer to make a call.

Just take Pennsylvania for example: In 2020, the AP declared that President Joe Biden won Pennsylvania — and, thus, the presidency — on the Saturday morning after the election. Two years later, the AP called Josh Shapiro’s gubernatorial victory a bit past midnight on Wednesday, just hours after polls closed.

The big difference? Biden won by just over a point — and Shapiro won by nearly 15.
 
plus every state where he was within 5% of winning in 2020
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I thought of doing something exactly like that. But I was too lazy lol
Thanks for sharing that.
Seems pretty sound, to me. Though I still wouldn't be surprised if we lose MI but win WI.
 
I didn't look too closely at her before.
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What's wrong with her face? Her jaw is like jutting towards the camera while her mouth's pulled taut like she's holding up a frown. Her eyes are dead, too. How many Colorado politicians are pissed at her for pulling this stunt?

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Those are probably earbuds, but that's besides the point. Prices are based on Harris' earrings.
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Let me know if you're tired of these things. This bitch is legitimately off-putting but I don't want to overtake anything in this thread.
 
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I don't care if he is just a 90s dem, he is making an important first step to revitalizing the right wing.
He made the GOP a populist party
He valled out the uncontrolled progressive policies.
He made it acceptable to want strong boarder control and be worried about demographic replacement.
He completely turned politics on his head with his brash, raw, and unfiltered personality that just makes the clean cut politician seem even more like a reptile in a suit. Which helps open the door to new generation of scrappy up and comers.
He also shed a light at the underhanded tactics and deals that the political elites engage in.
i agree with all of this. He's the right man at the right time. All I'm saying is the next step after him is to go more right wing with people like a Vance as the leaders not more left with Tulsi.
 
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