2024 U.S. Presidential and State election thread - I'm gonna... I'm gonna... VOOT!!! I'm VOOOOOTING!!!

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I wish someone would explain to me why "tariffs aren't going to work" besides using the canard that "that's not how tariffs work".
It's received wisdom from about 50 years of studying the Great Depression and the decades before it. TL;DR the free-trade guys make plausible, mathematical claims that tariffs just make things more expensive for consumers, or cause outright recession/depression.

There's 2 problems with this idea. First, the free marketeers get a lot of the cost reduction in their data from one-time production shifts, like outsourcing to China. Second, they don't model such structural changes or constraints. Leading to conclusions such as:

You can't put a tariff on something that isn't made in the US and hasn't had the supply chain to be made in the US in 40 years and expect it to do anything other than raise prices.

In a static model, this is true. But the point this time around is to change this structure outright. Trump wants to force production back into the US, something he ran on in 2016, and doubled down on after 2020's Covid supply chain problems.

I won't do a whole rant on globalization, but the 60s-80s globalization wave wasn't just driven by cheap overseas labor. It was driven by the standardized shipping revolution, cheap oil (after the 70s crunch), and other innovations that made transportation dirt cheap. Decades later, oil isn't cheap, the labor costs shot up, and transportation now has security and quarantine risks. We may be at the point where overseas advantages can't overcome the costs of tariffs, because all its profit boosters have been normalized out.

Of course production won't move back to the US if we can't ramp it up any more. Building new factories is stupidly expensive and regulated, new power plants even more so. The population has been sending half its kids to college for decades, telling them they're too good for blue collar work. Real estate and land prices are still sky high, thanks to QE and inflation. Internal transportation networks are OK, but need upgrading if any serious volume is to be pushed through them. All of that has to be overcome at the same time, and cheaply enough that the simple math of it all winds up cheaper than whatever tariff Trump slaps on overseas products.

It's a huge task, with a lot of complicated regulatory fixes and logistics upgrades needed. I don't know that Trump can pull all that off, but he can at least get things moving in that direction. The real danger will be in 4 years, if someone else removes tariffs and kneecaps the whole process during its multi-year ramp up.
 
How are everyone's old people faring?

My old person has been an MSNBC addict for years, and especially this election season. He fully believed that Trump was going to be paraded off in chains to go to prison forever any day now, and obviously Kamala Harris is the most loved canidate ever. He was shocked after the election because he thought Harris had it in the bag- the TV people said so.

I heard him talking today about how he feels betrayed by MSNBC because obviously their reporting wasn't very accurate- but he doesn't know what other news channel he could watch instead. FOX is the devil incarnate, obviously, and he similarly thinks CNN just isn't very reliable. And obviously, "Don't watch 6 hours of TV news daily" just isn't on the table.
Parents are of the "of course the US wasn't going to elect a woman, especially not one that's half nigger" persuasion. That is to say, they're leftists. They're not happy.

Local boomer extended family... one got real fucking quiet about the evils of Trump after they picked Kamala after years and years of him ranting about Trump. Another's road trip has now turned into him finding his passport so he can flee to Canada or Mexico. I somehow think Canada's not going to accept an alcoholic who hasn't held down a job in 30 years, but what do I know? Maybe there's a dire need for homeless, unemployed, skill-less white liberal men in America's Hat. Mexico... the Cartels will get him, guaranteed.
 
Gender identity is social construction taken to the extreme.
But that's my point. The Progressives / Marxists will declare anything and everything as mere Social Construction. Unless a man declares he is a woman in which case it's some essential identity that has always been true and telling him he merely thinks he is will get you un-personed.
 
Also, you bastards I spent hours reading every post in this thread in batches of 100 while slacking at work. Probably wasted a solid 2 days straight over the last week
I have also wasted a lot of work time with this lmfao.

And with me is three! This is the thread that I frequent the most this couple of days. lol
 
They even sat next to each other in the G20, I miss Shinzo. Although if Shinzo didn't die he wouldn't have been able to warn Trump to turn his head from the heavens.

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You're fooled by propaganda. This is not a candid photo. Her nieces are all braided and one of them has a Harris-Walz shirt. Kamala has a face plastered with makeup, even though it's meant to be a "look, we just woke up," and is wearing her hoodie from her DEI alma mater. The game is brand new and they're not even properly playing.

It's all fake—Kamala will always be a fake person because the only real personality she has is being a drunkard and a whore.
thats what women do when taking candid photos.
 
It forced all insurers to cover addiction care, which saved many lives - including mine.
Addiction medicine is fucked man.

First of all, Subutex the supposed wonder drug for addiction? Turns out the long term results aren’t a whole lot of better than for methadone or the best abstinence based programs.

SECONDLY, since it HAS to be covered, how the fuck do you turn a profit of buprenorphine. A drug that hasn’t had patents in forever? Well you just keep reformulating it. Why sell a 10 cent pill when you can sell the government a 1500$ once a month shot containing the same drug? After all, the ACA says you HAVE to cover it.

Third: Let’s look at methadone. Shit works, even if a good portion of the users abuse it. And it’s dirt cheap. No patents… Well, let’s include a bunch of bullshit weekly “counseling” sessions and make them mandatory, so we can bill the government 800$ a month instead of $50 or $100.

The ACA may have mandated the government to cover a bunch of addiction treatments with various efficacy, but it’s also absolutely milking it with useless expenses.
 
In retrospect, the government food contractor switch up under Obama had long lasting traumatic effect on many millennials and the older zoomers. 2nd graders lost mini corn dog Mondays and the military lost taco bowl Tuesdays. As stupid and insignificant as it sounds, I’ll never forgive Obama for that shit. Taco bowl Tuesday was a light in the abyss for some people.
I remember it as the time juice and chocolate milk vanished from schools. I was in high school at the time but still got that stuff for breakfast. But bam, all gone.
Our school also has Gatorade vending machines that all were filled with water no one bought
 
The right way to fix school lunches is actually radically simple.

incentivize schools to have kitchens again, where food is made from scratch, instead of subsidizing frozen goyslop from mega manufacturers whose only concern is saving a nickel.

When I was a kid, lunch ladies made the food. Every week, we had soups made on a regular rotation that incorporated leftovers from the previous day's lunch. They baked their own rolls! They had ingredients out for salads. This wasn't some crazy fancy school, it was a dismal rust-belt sort of place, but the lunch ladies cared. Their kids all went to that school district. They were cooking from the heart, and even though their ingredients were humble, they often did a really good job. It wasn't all great, and some days had slop, but to me, the worst days were the ones with that cardboard "pepperoni" pizza rectangle and some sad carrot sticks. I'm sure it gave the lunch ladies a good day of respite to be able to do that instead of making pot roast or chicken a la king or whatever, but it was awful. Somehow, every kid had it in their head that the pizza was the "good" day of lunch, but I couldn't stand it.

Even by the time I was in high school, fast food and ready-made meals were invading and the from-scratch cooking had slowed to a trickle. Lunch ladies were now just heaters of slop, with no pride in their work and often with no children of their own. From what I can see, there's zero cooking at my old school now. It's all just reheated.

Those jobs had more dignity and the children were fed better when the food was made in the schools. It's time to bring that back, even if that means having to initiate a jobs program to re-train people on how to actually make food on a school-wide scale instead of just heating it up, and a grant program to ensure that schools have the equipment and training they need to be successful "onshoring" their food service operations.
 
I believe that in the end the House will be

222 GOP
213 Democrat

So yes the GOP can only lose no more than 4 of its own members on full House vote
It'll be down to 221 because Trump picked Elise Stefanik from NY to be UN ambassador. He also picked someone from Florida for a position but that seems pretty safe.
 
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