Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Gog & Magog said:
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If this was actually true, Trump trying to strongarm Russia into accepting some kind of shitty deal using the threat of military force is totally in-character and in-line with his track record. However, the Biden administration destroyed the perception of invincibility and fear people have of the US military. Nobody, especially not Russia takes it seriously anymore.
 
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The funniest shit I've seen recently.
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Betonhaus said:
Except I don't really think Russia would benefit at all from negotiating a peace treaty. The international assets stings a little bit but they can do without. Russia has no reason to believe they won't get kicked off Swift or have their assets frozen again in the future, and they have no reason to believe Ukraine will honor a peace treaty. Ukraine literally can't stop Russia from taking anything they want, and support for the war is high.

NATO has proven itself to be a faithless negotiator, and has broken the Minsk agreement twice. To Russia any Minsk 3 agreement will just be an excuse for Ukraine to quietly build up millitary power for yet another strike on Russian territory.

Accounting for the fact that the agreement is a lie is no better then just continuing to keep Ukraine a warfront, even if it steps down to entrenching and watching.
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They went cold turkey off the western teet, i doubt they will latch on again any time soon.
 
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Black Spruce said:
If this was actually true, Trump trying to strongarm Russia into accepting some kind of shitty deal using the threat of military force is totally in-character and in-line with his track record. However, the Biden administration destroyed the perception of invincibility and fear people have of the US military. Nobody, especially not Russia takes it seriously anymore.
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Yup. Trump is surrounded by and supported by neocons who want to continue the war in Ukraine, and he’s a retarded old man who will listen to what they tell him to do.

There will be no sudden end to the war, Trump will not offer acceptable terms to Putin. Russia has spent a lot of money and manpower, it has no reason to accept anything short of surrender and major territorial concessions. I’m not really sure what America could offer that would end the war immediately anyway. Europe and Ukraine will chimp out and keep fighting even if America fully withdraws.
 
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bread n circuses said:
Yup. Trump is surrounded by and supported by neocons who want to continue the war in Ukraine, and he’s a retarded old man who will listen to what they tell him to do.

There will be no sudden end to the war, Trump will not offer acceptable terms to Putin. Russia has spent a lot of money and manpower, it has no reason to accept anything short of surrender and major territorial concessions. I’m not really sure what America could offer that would end the war immediately anyway. Europe and Ukraine will chimp out and keep fighting even if America fully withdraws.
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a return to swift and return of frozen assets would be a good start.
 
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moocow said:
It's been covered before but the truth of it is the US doesn't really have a whole lot left to offer at the negotiating table. What can we realistically promise? Withdraw from funding Ukraine's fight, stop providing up-to-the-minute intelligence data and satellite imaging, end all sanctions, unfreeze Russian accounts in the US, return money stolen from them, and invite Russia back into the banking system?

None of that is really all that appealing to Russia. They're winning anyway, so they're happy to watch us bankrupt ourselves funding the losing side of the war. They seem to be doing just fine despite Ukraine's access to "cheat mode"-level intelligence data. Sanctions didn't do much to harm them. The stolen money sucks, but they've partnered up with other allies and created an entirely alternative banking system (BRICS) that we're not invited to, so what do they care if we "invite" them back?

About all we can realistically do that would actually get Russia's attention is to whisper into Zalinsky's ear to make him shut up, sue for peace, and accept losing the territory Russia has already claimed. That would stop the fighting (if we actually did it) and appease Russia enough for them to call it a day. That's really all we have though, and Russia doesn't need it ... it'd just be a shortcut to victory that kills fewer people.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. There is no scenario where Ukraine reclaims all their lost territory, without boots on the ground from NATO & USA.
And so long as Trump is in office, there's a zero percent chance of that happening.

That said, if JD Vance was in office, who knows. He markets himself as a peaceful man but he's a marine, and may have a more interventionist mentality when given the chance.
 
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AstaSilva said:
Took the words right out of my mouth. There is no scenario where Ukraine reclaims all their lost territory, without boots on the ground from NATO & USA.
And so long as Trump is in office, there's a zero percent chance of that happening.

That said, if JD Vance was in office, who knows. He markets himself as a peaceful man but he's a marine, and may have a more interventionist mentality when given the chance.
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Vance doesn't sound like a suicidal Neocon.

If Americans join the party, it will escalate all the way to MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction)
 
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The funniest part is that no matter what conditions Russia sets, Ukraine is just an artificially sustained state, practically devoid of people. I’ve heard that up to a third of their population has left, heading either west or, permanently, upwards ☦️. There’s not much you can do in a war-torn country without young, able-bodied people. I wonder how long it will take for them to regain pre-war prosperity
 
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The Jewel of the Nile said:
The funniest part is that no matter what conditions Russia sets, Ukraine is just an artificially sustained state, practically devoid of people. I’ve heard that up to a third of their population has left, heading either west or, permanently, upwards ☦️. There’s not much you can do in a war-torn country without young, able-bodied people. I wonder how long it will take for them to regain pre-war prosperity
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The peace agreement would probably require Ukraine to do a census.
 
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Audit said:
Now the real question, was the tranny just a proper CIA shill to keep the war going and the twitter account deletion is just wrapping up the op for plausible deniability later?
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Well let's not forget the reason this deranged faggot disappeared from the limelight in the first place. As I recall it had something to do with threatening a sitting US senator for having the temerity to believe that Ukraine isn't a morally upright place with no corruption, and that they aren't defeating entire divisions of RUZZIAN ORKS on their way to capture Moscow and Sevastopol. What was that senator's name again? Coulda sworn it started with a "J" or a "D" or something. Boy wouldn't it be real embarrassing if that senator fella got a promotion to an even higher office? I'd wanna just drop off the face of the earth if something that far fetched happened.
 
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Just throwing in my 2 cents, but I really don't see any reason for Trump to stop supporting Ukraine. The whole SMO/SVO is a great diplomatic and strategic victory for the US as it is harming Russia, it is also distancing Ukraine from it and cementing American control over Europe. Stopping to support it would be a extremely poor choice and a missed opportunity as it would possibly lead to a normalization of relations between Europe and Russia, which would decrease the currently increasing reliance of Europe upon the US and might loosen the noose around the collective European necks.
 
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