Trump’s FCC pick has said he wants to ban TikTok, challenge Section 230 - Bye bye KiwiFarms I guess?

IMG_0955.webp
Though President-elect Donald Trump has been expected to stop the looming ban on TikTok, his political appointments suggest otherwise.

Trump announced on Sunday that he selected Brendan Carr to chair the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), which regulates the internet, news media, and other forms of communication. Carr, whom Trump appointed to the FCC in 2017, authored the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 chapter on the commission, where he outlines an agenda that is sometimes at odds with the president-elect’s promises.

“TikTok poses a serious and unacceptable risk to America’s national security,” Carr wrote in Project 2025. “It also provides Beijing with an opportunity to run a foreign influence campaign by determining the news and information that the app feeds to millions of Americans.”

While there has not been public evidence of the Chinese government accessing American TikTok users’ data, there has been proof that ByteDance, TikTok’s Chinese parent company, has accessed TikTok user data.

Trump’s current positioning to reverse the TikTok ban is surprising, given that he signed an executive order to essentially ban the app in 2020, at the end of his first term. But after Joe Biden took office, Trump’s executive order became moot. Still, the government under Biden ended up arriving at a similar conclusion; the president signed a bill that would force ByteDance to sell the app, although the Chinese conglomerate is unlikely to comply.

“Without TikTok, you can make Facebook bigger, and I consider Facebook to be an enemy of the people,” Trump told CNBC in March. He shared this sentiment on Truth Social as well, where he claimed that Mark Zuckerberg’s company is “a true enemy of the people.”

In his statement on Carr’s appointment, Trump does not address their apparent differences.

“Commissioner Carr is a warrior for free speech and has fought against regulatory lawfare that has stifled Americans’ freedoms, and held back our economy,” Trump wrote.

Carr’s concern about Chinese influence extends to the sale of Chinese communications equipment, like cell phones. As it stands, Chinese hardware company Huawei cannot sell gear in the U.S. without FCC approval, and Carr thinks that the FCC should be more vigilant about assessing products from Chinese manufacturers. He even wants to invest an extra $3 billion into the “rip and replace” program that reimburses communications providers for replacing gear from Huawei and ZTE, another Chinese company making telecom equipment.

While Carr has taken a largely deregulatory approach to the FCC, he is adamant about imposing increased restrictions on tech companies.

“We must dismantle the censorship cartel and restore free speech rights for everyday Americans,” Carr wrote on X. Fellow Trump appointee Elon Musk replied, “Based.”

This position extends to Section 230, a part of the Communications Decency Act that, among other things, protects providers of online services — like social media networks — from being held liable for the user-generated content they host. So, if someone posts something unlawful on a social media app, the user is responsible for potential repercussions, not the app. Section 230 also allows online organizations to remove and moderate material posted by third parties.

Organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) argue that overturning this bipartisan legislation, which has existed for over 25 years, could be a threat to free speech on the internet.

“Without Section 230’s protections, many online intermediaries would intensively filter and censor user speech, while others may simply not host user content at all,” the EFF wrote. “This reinforces the First Amendment’s protections for publishers to decide what content they will distribute.”

But Carr is pushing for Section 230 reform on the grounds that it allows social media platforms to “drive diverse political viewpoints from the digital town square.” He believes that the FCC should work with Congress to make sure that “internet companies no longer have carte blanche to censor protected speech while maintaining their Section 230 protections.”

Section 230 has faced legal challenges at the Supreme Court level but has not yet been subject to major reforms. Last year, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Twitter and Google in two adjacent cases that sought to hold the platforms accountable for hosting content from the Islamic State that promoted the terrorist organization in connection to violent attacks.

The same Supreme Court that presided over those cases will remain in control for the foreseeable future, and it’s possible that they could hear more challenges to the internet law in the coming years.

L/A
 
"Black people, Trump is literally Hitler and a white supremacist! It's all in his evil masterplan, Project 2025."

"Sheeit, who cares? Trump never did nuffin' to nobody. Gave me dat check n sheit back when money was still worth somethin'."

"Black people, Trump wants to take away your TikTok and cornstarch!"

"AWW, HELL NAW! TRUMP MUHFUGGIN' ORANGE BIX NOOD N SHIET. FUCK DAT ORANGE MUHFUGGA."

More effective than the $1.5 billion that you pissed away, Democrats. Should have given it to me, I could have won you the election.
 
Trump’s current positioning to reverse the TikTok ban is surprising, given that he signed an executive order to essentially ban the app in 2020, at the end of his first term. But after Joe Biden took office, Trump’s executive order became moot. Still, the government under Biden ended up arriving at a similar conclusion; the president signed a bill that would force ByteDance to sell the app, although the Chinese conglomerate is unlikely to comply.
It's kind of ironic how the USA's allowance of Apple (and to a lesser extend Google) to have a total stranglehold on their respective appstores is the only thing that makes this threat of a ban effective. If they didn't have control then TikTok could just launch in a 3rd party country and technically just ignore the US ban (but it is unlikely for many reasons that they actually would)
 
But Carr is pushing for Section 230 reform on the grounds that it allows social media platforms to “drive diverse political viewpoints from the digital town square.” He believes that the FCC should work with Congress to make sure that “internet companies no longer have carte blanche to censor protected speech while maintaining their Section 230 protections.”
I suppose this doesn't affect Kiwi Farms, as this website isn't social media. Further, to the best of my knowledge, Null hasn't implemented any algorithm to "curate" my "feed." But Section 230 is fine as is. What ought to be done is force Social Media platforms to define what they are once and for all. If they're a public platform they can't push one viewpoint to the exclusion of another, and if they're private they need to make clear what views are allowed and which ones aren't.
 
I suppose this doesn't affect Kiwi Farms, as this website isn't social media. Further, to the best of my knowledge, Null hasn't implemented any algorithm to "curate" my "feed." But Section 230 is fine as is. What ought to be done is force Social Media platforms to define what they are once and for all. If they're a public platform they can't push one viewpoint to the exclusion of another, and if they're private they need to make clear what views are allowed and which ones aren't.
Da fuck you talking about, I do all my socializing and dating on KF. Lolcows are just eager singles in my area, right?
 
“We must dismantle the censorship cartel and restore free speech rights for everyday Americans,” Carr wrote on X. Fellow Trump appointee Elon Musk replied, “Based.”

This position extends to Section 230, a part of the Communications Decency Act that, among other things, protects providers of online services — like social media networks — from being held liable for the user-generated content they host. So, if someone posts something unlawful on a social media app, the user is responsible for potential repercussions, not the app. Section 230 also allows online organizations to remove and moderate material posted by third parties.

Organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) argue that overturning this bipartisan legislation, which has existed for over 25 years, could be a threat to free speech on the internet.

“Without Section 230’s protections, many online intermediaries would intensively filter and censor user speech, while others may simply not host user content at all,” the EFF wrote. “This reinforces the First Amendment’s protections for publishers to decide what content they will distribute.”

But Carr is pushing for Section 230 reform on the grounds that it allows social media platforms to “drive diverse political viewpoints from the digital town square.” He believes that the FCC should work with Congress to make sure that “internet companies no longer have carte blanche to censor protected speech while maintaining their Section 230 protections.”
Not bye bye KF. Isn't this good? They specifically say that they want to challenge the section that lets social media platforms ban people with certain opinions (i.e. the MUH PRIVATE COMPANY argument), not the part where companies are not viable for the things that users post. EFF sperging out for no reason.

“We must dismantle the censorship cartel and restore free speech rights for everyday Americans,” Carr wrote on X. Fellow Trump appointee Elon Musk replied, “Based.”
Can't believe this is the timeline we're living in.
 
Trump can graft enough money to Elon for him to buy it out. It is a public company like Twitter was.

This is all part of masterplan Project 2025.
You joke but Twitter was once the scourge of mankind. Now it has helped restore sanity.

Maybe he should buy out TikTok and Reddit and Meta? I don’t even know why we have a lolcow thread on Elon Musk. He has single-handedly de-platformed many trannies and groomer-apologists. Who the fuck cares if he has lots of kids? Isn’t that what a lot of white supremacists here want anyway?

We need a musk derangement syndrome thread
 
They specifically say that they want to challenge the section that lets social media platforms ban people with certain opinions (i.e. the MUH PRIVATE COMPANY argument), not the part where companies are not viable for the things that users post. EFF sperging out for no reason.
You better hope he's earnest about that and not just another control freak with a pen.
 
But Carr is pushing for Section 230 reform on the grounds that it allows social media platforms to “drive diverse political viewpoints from the digital town square.” He believes that the FCC should work with Congress to make sure that “internet companies no longer have carte blanche to censor protected speech while maintaining their Section 230 protections.”
Never in this do they outright state he wants to "challenge" 230. Only 'reform', whatever that means.

I've spent enough of my life overreacting to shit in political news that either turns out to be nothing, or if it has to do with Trump like this ends up being the exact opposite of what I'm being told. I'll stop the trend with this news and just wait to see what he does rather than frothing at the mouth like a fucking idiot.
 
I remember when this place was convinced Ajit Pai was going to break the internet and anyone suggesting 230 be repealed or even loosened should get the rope.

Jesus Christ. 3.5 years of Biden and suddenly everyone is trying to pretend "it won't be so bad.... Right? Because Trump?" In regards to a man openly saying it needs to go getting the reigns. Two Scoops really mind broke people, eh?
 
I remember when this place was convinced Ajit Pai was going to break the internet and anyone suggesting 230 be repealed or even loosened should get the rope.

Jesus Christ. 3.5 years of Biden and suddenly everyone is trying to pretend "it won't be so bad.... Right? Because Trump?" In regards to a man openly saying it needs to go getting the reigns. Two Scoops really mind broke people, eh?
I can go find the old article threads with discussions on this if you want. It's been hotly debated every time it has come up since the first discussions about Net Neutrality started.
There’s a happenings thread dedicated solely to it.
It's older than that even on this site. But yeah I forgot about that thread entirely, rip.
 
Last edited:
Tik Tock is owned by the Chinese.

There is a reason the "set your self on fire challenge" is allowed/promoted in the USA, where it is banned in China.

Chinese Tik Tock is not idiots doing self harm, being stupid and promting others to do so. War is not won by bullets ands bombs anymore. If you get your enemy to destroy themselves you win.
 
Back