Better Call Saul

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I think they just had no idea how to wrap up the show. Jimmy just riding out the rest of his life at Cinnabon was the most realistic but boring. I thought BCS was never anything more than fanservice so it was not a surprise that Gilligan picked the ending most likely to get updooted on Reddit, even if it didn’t actually make a lot of sense.
I think I've mentioned this before but the reveal that the Gene flash forwards were only happening a couple of months after BB ended really bugged me. Had it been even a few years later I would have preferred it, but having Saul immediately jumping back into crime the first chance he got despite knowing he's still hot made him look like a fucking moron.
 
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What if Chuckold said his "not a real lawyer" speech as soon as Jimmy passed the bar? Would he still want to practice law?
 
So Mike is right but heavily biased and the whole rant is technically a half measure, which has always been his undoing.
Don't forget just turning his back on an angry Walt. I don't think Walt went out there to kill Mike, because Mike would have picked that up, but once he riled him up, turning his back on him was insane. I think he just had such absolute contempt for Walt that he underestimated him over and over.

I think murdering Mike was possibly the vilest thing Walt did in the whole series, not because it was objectively the worst or Mike, to some degree, didn't have it coming for all the bad shit he'd done, but because it was so pointless, stupid, and evil. Doing it served absolutely no purpose, and you can see even Walt realized that after doing it. "Shocked by the foul, evil deed I had done" comes to mind (from the Marty Robbins song the last episode is named after which is incidentally also an anagram of "finale").
Had it been even a few years later I would have preferred it, but having Saul immediately jumping back into crime the first chance he got despite knowing he's still hot made him look like a fucking moron.
It's too bad that whole sequence that had been teased since the beginning of the show sucked so badly. It was pretty much a blot on the whole series and definitely derailed the final season.

I think the show should have wrapped up soon after Lalo shot Howard Hamlin, with consequences coming swift and heavy.

Also, I think to some extent Odenkirk was off his game after the heart attack.

I also don't like how the end, which could have been played like finally accepting consequences, was instead turning him into some kind of beta simp captain save-a-ho.
 
S4 Walt was mostly acting out of self defense because Gus just couldnt the deaths of two nameless drug dealers go.
This was something that bothered me. Gus, this supercool, uberrational businessman, threw away his nine-figure drug empire because he decided he had to keep it real. Seems like a calm and rational businessman would’ve tossed Walt and Jesse a few million each to fuck off forever. That wouldn’t have made for interesting TV but the nonstop mistakes him and Mike made at the end of their lives are complete contradictions with their personalities.
 
This was something that bothered me. Gus, this supercool, uberrational businessman, threw away his nine-figure drug empire because he decided he had to keep it real. Seems like a calm and rational businessman would’ve tossed Walt and Jesse a few million each to fuck off forever. That wouldn’t have made for interesting TV but the nonstop mistakes him and Mike made at the end of their lives are complete contradictions with their personalities.
Breaking Bad is one of those shows where no one outsmarts one another. They just out dumb one another. Why would Gus not tell Walt that if anything happens to him that his family and infant daughter will be immediately killed? Why would Hank not call for backup when he had Jesse in the trailer? Or call for backup when meeting Walt in the desert when he knows Walt is a mass murderer? Why would Mike possibly remain in the United States after Gus is dead and not flee for literally anywhere else? Why would the Nazis meet with Walt and not expect him to kill them after they robbed him?

Gus and Mike are like two completely different people in Better Call Saul. Overly cautious and ruthless. Then nearly retarded in Breaking Bad. Mike ties Walt to a wall using a string instead of handcuffs or an armed guard. Gus kills his lab geek over being high risk but leaves Walt and Jesse alive when they are loose cannons that are doing cartel hits with minivans in broad daylight or shooting people at their apartments in the open. Gus meeting Hector when the DEA probably wired up the entire place or are watching it was also incredibly ridiculous.

The characters on shows like The Shield or The Sopranos were always so paranoid about someone killing them.
 
Gus and Mike are like two completely different people in Better Call Saul. Overly cautious and ruthless.
The outdumbing each other from BB actually makes more sense and is more like real criminals. Walt could have been a billionaire but fucked it all up because of an insult that for all we know was completely imaginary. At least Elliott and Gretchen were completely confused by what pissed off Walt and still willing to help him out any way they could when he got cancer.

Gus could have concentrated entirely on his chicken franchise and made as much money as he wanted with his international connections at Madrigal without even doing anything illegal or ending up dead. He decided to be a crime lord and seek revenge instead.

Mike could have just not been a dirty cop or been something other than a cop. He was smart, resourceful, why the fuck would he be a bent cop in Philadelphia? Why not do literally anything else?

Even high functioning criminals generally have a screw loose somehow because anyone smart enough to get away with crime on a massive level (at least before getting killed) could probably have succeeded in another field without getting sent to prison for life or killed, which is nearly inevitable.
 
Gus could have concentrated entirely on his chicken franchise and made as much money as he wanted with his international connections at Madrigal without even doing anything illegal or ending up dead. He decided to be a crime lord and seek revenge instead.
Was it big? I always saw it as the usual local KFC knock off. Though having it being a front for money laundering, Gus could have had pretty amazing quality for a good price.
 
Gus could have concentrated entirely on his chicken franchise and made as much money as he wanted with his international connections at Madrigal without even doing anything illegal or ending up dead. He decided to be a crime lord and seek revenge instead.
It's heavily implied that Madrigal was involved in drug smuggling from the outset of their fast food division. And that the entire Los Pollos operation was created specifically for drug smuggling and money laundering. The Breaking Bad wiki even says that the Madrigal employee who blows his heart up knew Gus from his South America days and was always in on the drug smuggling. And that Los Pollos was nothing more than a front and not a real business that was even viable.

Just like Gus also set up the laundry business as a cover for a meth lab. It was not meant to do anything other than cover up the meth manufacturing.
Was it big? I always saw it as the usual local KFC knock off. Though having it being a front for money laundering, Gus could have had pretty amazing quality for a good price.
They had 14 locations in the U.S. all strategically located near border areas with Mexico for smuggling. So it was a small fast food chain. This is why Hank and others found it so odd that this giant German mega corporation was so controlling over a regional chicken takeout chain.
 
And that Los Pollos was nothing more than a front and not a real business that was even viable.
Nobody had anything bad to say about the chicken. Any fast food chicken place that's any good is viable unless very badly run.
 
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Don Eladio in BCS looks really rough. I know that we cant fault the actor for aging but you would think some make up and digital deaging would have been good for immersion. This is applied to most actors from both shows but Eladio is easily the biggest offender, while the others you could sort of mentally ignore.

I think I've mentioned this before but the reveal that the Gene flash forwards were only happening a couple of months after BB ended really bugged me. Had it been even a few years later I would have preferred it, but having Saul immediately jumping back into crime the first chance he got despite knowing he's still hot made him look like a fucking moron.

"he could never keep his hands out of the cash drawer", I think thats the point they were trying to send. Saul wasnt doing this for money but because he liked it, he was good at it, just like a certain someone.

It stopped being about money and power after a certain point and it became about self gratification and validation. Doesnt help that Gene lives a very lonely and pathetic life, the sort of life Saul despises. If we are taking just BB in consideration, it may seem out of character but BCS is all about Saul's self destructive patterns getting worse and worse until they climax when Walt walks into his office and losing everything still wasnt enough to exorcise that desire out of him.
I think murdering Mike was possibly the vilest thing Walt did in the whole series, not because it was objectively the worst or Mike, to some degree, didn't have it coming for all the bad shit he'd done, but because it was so pointless, stupid, and evil. Doing it served absolutely no purpose, and you can see even Walt realized that after doing it. "Shocked by the foul, evil deed I had done" comes to mind (from the Marty Robbins song the last episode is named after which is incidentally also an anagram of "finale").

Im sure Walt justified it in his mind as necessary to remove a possible loose end. As Jesse said it, Walt would never accept that he would need to keep constantly looking behind his shoulder for Mike after he kills his 9 guys in prison. It was a kill done out of spite, sure, but if Walt is good at something, is justifying things to himself and others as "necessary".
This was something that bothered me. Gus, this supercool, uberrational businessman, threw away his nine-figure drug empire because he decided he had to keep it real. Seems like a calm and rational businessman would’ve tossed Walt and Jesse a few million each to fuck off forever. That wouldn’t have made for interesting TV but the nonstop mistakes him and Mike made at the end of their lives are complete contradictions with their personalities.

My point is that the drug dealers were replaceable and IF its true that Gus didnt order Tomas's death (tho thats ambiguious if he did or not), they did began to act behind his back so its like he would have ordered them to be killed either way so Walt did him a favor. All he had to do was let the death of these two nameless idiots go and just let Walt return cooking with a warning to not do something like that ever again. Ironically, he saw the situation too clinically and didnt consider the human aspect of it and that maybe its best to let one or two things go.

I will say tho that Jesse didnt help the situation whatsoever and Gus only saw an impulsive methhead that would threaten the whole operation...and he did unironically threaten to expose the whole thing to Walt and Saul if he got caught when cooking on his own. Man, S3 Jesse was just an annoying shit and it took him killing Gale to start to humble himself.
The outdumbing each other from BB actually makes more sense and is more like real criminals. Walt could have been a billionaire but fucked it all up because of an insult that for all we know was completely imaginary. At least Elliott and Gretchen were completely confused by what pissed off Walt and still willing to help him out any way they could when he got cancer.

Vince did say that Walt left GrayMatter because Gretchen's family was rich and thus he wouldnt be the breadwinner. His ego couldnt stand that so he probably thought he could strike up something on his own, thus the reason he left.

Not that Walt didnt build an unhealthy resentment over that and literally made up a whole narrative over how they "cut him out" or something like that when they were probably a phonecall away from receiving him back into the company with open arms.

My point is that Walt is a prick even before the series started. An engaging prick but still a prick.
Gus could have concentrated entirely on his chicken franchise and made as much money as he wanted with his international connections at Madrigal without even doing anything illegal or ending up dead. He decided to be a crime lord and seek revenge instead.

Same applies to Walt with the car wash. They were apparently doing enough clean money to comfortably pay for any expenses so the dirty money was practically useless, especially since they couldnt use it and laundry it would take forever.
 
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Same applies to Walt with the car wash. They were apparently doing enough clean money to comfortably pay for any expenses so the dirty money was practically useless, especially since they couldnt use it and laundry it would take forever.
It's not even like any of them had some inescapable situation like in Carlito's Way where anyone was trying to get them back in.
 
Vince did say that Walt left GrayMatter because Gretchen's family was rich and thus he wouldnt be the breadwinner. His ego couldnt stand that so he probably thought he could strike up something on his own, thus the reason he left.
I wish they'd gone into this more in the show, because Walt leaving Grey Matter is pretty ambiguous. We have Walt's side of things, which we know is an unreliable recounting of the events, but we never see what really happened. He resents them rather than admit he fucked up, even at the end he tells Saul he got screwed and Saul immediately says they could have sued the company instead of making meth together. Vince can tells us things later, but actually seeing it would have been better.
 
I wish they'd gone into this more in the show, because Walt leaving Grey Matter is pretty ambiguous. We have Walt's side of things, which we know is an unreliable recounting of the events, but we never see what really happened. He resents them rather than admit he fucked up, even at the end he tells Saul he got screwed and Saul immediately says they could have sued the company instead of making meth together. Vince can tells us things later, but actually seeing it would have been better.
I was going to make this exact post. Its like the main thing about his character and we never actually get to see how it went down. I can see the merit of not having it spelled out though. Showing this would have maybe made the viewer resent Walter more like Vince wanted.
 
I wish they'd gone into this more in the show, because Walt leaving Grey Matter is pretty ambiguous. We have Walt's side of things, which we know is an unreliable recounting of the events, but we never see what really happened. He resents them rather than admit he fucked up, even at the end he tells Saul he got screwed and Saul immediately says they could have sued the company instead of making meth together. Vince can tells us things later, but actually seeing it would have been better.

I agree but I also understand why that wasnt shown or expanded much upon, because it really wasnt a vital part of the story but rather a building block of the character's "character". All we need to know is that Walt lost his chance at being a billionaire and he has a deep resentment over it, helping explain why he grows so attached to the meth business and acting like its something to be proud of. He unironically reveals to Jesse he checks the value of the company daily with a straight face.

"Yep, there's no deep-seated issues there"
-Saul

And I absolutely doubt that Walt could take Ellie and Gretch on court and win because ultimately, he left on his own terms and the money is something he gladly accepted. It doesnt help that those two would def. hire the best lawyers that even Saul might have a hard time working against.
At best Saul would be able to force a settlement as to possibly avoid a PR nightmare on Graymatter's side and we know that would never be enough for Walt.
 
I wish they'd gone into this more in the show, because Walt leaving Grey Matter is pretty ambiguous. Vince can tells us things later, but actually seeing it would have been better.
I was going to make this exact post. Its like the main thing about his character and we never actually get to see how it went down. I can see the merit of not having it spelled out though. Showing this would have maybe made the viewer resent Walter more like Vince wanted.
It's also the biggest negative about Better Call Saul. In that you never really see Jimmy become Saul. The show just skips over his decline from Jimmy into Saul and Kim's new life. It's so abrupt that the audience is robbed of the entire purpose of the series. We see Walt's gradual descent into drug cartel leadership and murder over the course of the year of his cancer battle. We see almost nothing of Jimmy into Saul. We actually got ten times more of Mike's descent into the underworld than Jimmy's. Mike's story is way more fleshed out in Better Call Saul.

Better Call Saul ends with Howard dying and Kim leaving. The next scenes we get of Saul chronologically from Breaking Bad are him flat out telling Walt to murder Badger to silence him. He's gone from shocked and reluctant lawyer of one cartel member to actively hunting down meth dealers so he can represent the new kingpin in the meth game. And he's ordering murders like he used to order coffee.

If you take Walt's success in meth he's obviously resourceful. And a genius chemist. And also Gretchen and Elliot pay his family the money so deep down they probably knew that he was right. I always felt like those scenes are more revenge fantasy style writing for Walt. Where because of the injustices to him by others Vince Gilligan can place some of the blame for Heisenberg on Gretchen and Elliot and not just all on Walt and his cancer. Where by the end of the show Walt's entire meth empire has literally nothing to do with cancer and everything to do with the billions he felt were stolen from him.
 
All we need to know is that Walt lost his chance at being a billionaire and he has a deep resentment over it, helping explain why he grows so attached to the meth business and acting like its something to be proud of.
He blew up his own career because for whatever reason his ego was bruised, only to turn into a high school chemistry teacher, an embarrassing outcome for someone of his talents, but he didn't do anything to get out of that until he got cancer.

This is more or less everyone in the BB universe. They all had the makings of a good person, a successful person, and they all instead chose a life of crime, leading to an early death.
 
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