Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

This is the theory I have long since subscribed to, but I feel like it's possible to actually make a good movie while simultaneously showing how much of a fucking hack your predecessor is. The worst shit in Last Jedi is completely detached from JJ's retarded mystery boxes that were lit on fire, so we end up with something that somehow manages to be even worse than the shitty mystery box movie.
Everything in Last Jedi was set to be good or at least would've had cool fight scenes if directed by even hack directors. Except Roundhead just had to go intentionally tubgirl himself and the film while subverting audience expectations.
 
No. DaoT was over before Slaanesh's birth. Slaanesh's incubation started the Age of Strife, and its birth ended it.
M1-15 Age of Terra: pre ftl humans.
M15-25 Dark Age of Technology
M25-30 Age of Strife / Fall of the Eldar
This is where Slaanesh began, the Great Crusade was launched right after it was born.

The whole lore on the Age of Strife, which was a combination of psyker emergence and butlerian jihad. The first wave of psykers emerged right at the M25 point, and they were only persecuted on backwaters. Later only these planets avoided getting demonic incursions.
I see. Thank you for correcting me. Still, seems kind of weird that ancient humanity spread while the Aeldari Empire was still around. I mean, didn't they dominate the galaxy and have at least ten million worlds? That's like, ten times the size of the Imperium. And they grew their Empire after the War in Heaven thing.

That, and you still have civilizations like the Interex who weren't as restrictive as the Imperium, but they knew about Chaos and how to fight it. The Interex obviously was a remnant civilization left behind after the Age of Strife. They learned of Chaos from the Eldar and knew how to fight it. They didn't need a false idol to sacrifice psykers to; they were doing just fine against Chaos on their own thanks to some Eldar intel.

So my point still stands: other humans didn't need the Emperor to fight Chaos. And if we follow the actual designs of the 40K writers, the Emperor and the Imperium were a mistake to begin with. Hell, with their violent rhetoric and their breeding worlds, not to mention disease-infected Hive worlds and the aristocracy playing with the occult, it's a good bet that the Imperium's activities empower the Chaos gods instead of weakening them. They're not the solution to the Chaos problem, they're a part of that very same problem itself.

I meant that for commoners per the disney show. Would the Jedi be letting Janitor Billy and mine overseer Bob know about the Sith? I obviously didn't mean their own fellow Jedi. I even read somewhere that Korriban's coordinates were erased from civilian maps like Kamino.
Depends. Some commoners in the SWEU still knew of the Sith wars.


A Protected Republic is Long Overdue-by Republic Judicial Terrinald Screed

"The basic reality we must all face is simple: the Jedi cannot be everywhere. I say this with all due respect to the august order that has staved off warfare for a millennium. But the rules have change. Warfare has moved beyond the scope of a small number of protectors armed with energy blades.

Warships can deliver explosive payloads from beyond the horizon, payloads not even the most skilled Jedi could hope to deflect. The Republic's climate and lenient laws have fomented private armies of prodigious size. Droid armies are now cheaper, quicker and easier to maintain than Sector Forces. Furthermore, Sector Forces can now be turned against us, with more and more seceding from the Republic.

If the Separatists consolidate their military might, then what would we have to protect us? It takes an army to fight an army. When serene Naboo fell to a rogue Trade Federation venture a decade ago, how was the otherwise defenseless planet able to repulse the invasion? By turning to the amassed army of the indigents. Even such a primitive culture recognized the need to maintain a standing military in the times of peace.

To the peacemakers, I extend my respect. I do not want my child to grow up knowing war. But I do want my child to know the Republic, and I fear that our current course will not allow for it. We cannot rely on our enemies to be enlightened as we are. If warfare is inevitable, it is the Separatists who will fire the first shot. Should we not have the means to deflect that fire?

Relying on Planetary Security or Sector Forces is a stop-gap solution, as the inefficiencies of the Stark Hyperspace War so painfully demonstrated. The solution is obvious -- a unified military coordinated from Coruscant. Our ancient history has proven this has time and again -- the Great Sith War, the Kanz Disorders, the Virujansi Uprising -- times when a unified Republic Navy and Army were strong. And now, as then, there is still a role for the Jedi in today's galaxy: leading an army to victory."

So while the average janny sweeping the floors in Corellia might not know of the Sith, or might regard them as a fairy tale told to scare kids at night, the more educated classes that fill the ranks of the bureaucracy and the military do know of the Sith, that they were real, and that the Republic and Jedi trounced them. You didn't need to be a Jedi to know that the Sith existed at one point.
 
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I imagine JJ screamed and raged in the background
I  highly doubt that. I don't believe that JJ gave a single shit when he made TFA, since he wasn't supposed to have anything to do with any subsequent films. Don't forget, he was only brought back when Colin Trevorrow noped the fuck out after seeing what he had to work with.

JJ just set up a whole bunch of nothing to give the illusion of a greater narrative, but, as E;R put it, the mystery box was always empty. And JJ didn't care.
 
I  highly doubt that. I don't believe that JJ gave a single shit when he made TFA, since he wasn't supposed to have anything to do with any subsequent films. Don't forget, he was only brought back when Colin Trevorrow noped the fuck out after seeing what he had to work with.

JJ just set up a whole bunch of nothing to give the illusion of a greater narrative, but, as E;R put it, the mystery box was always empty. And JJ didn't care.
In retrospect, what makes TFA so terrible is that it's very clear JJ's only goal was to relive his childhood by making a Star Wars movie "like in the good old days", rather than crafting a genuine, organic continuation of first six films. Every loose thread and "mystery box" it's just there to justify the obligatory sequels (because it has to be a trilogy, despite the fact that there's no larger goal, plan or mission statement for what this trilogy even is), and not much else. It is remarkable how incompetent and shallow minded a sequel to one of the most imaginative fantasy works of all time can feel. What's worse is the fact that it did kinda succeed at what it set out to do. JJ and the OT fags got to relive their childhoods in the most vapid way possible, and the dead end sequel bait elements did spark interest for the next film, until it was too late. There's a lot to hate about TLJ and TRoS for sure, but honestly, all faults of the trilogy lie on TFA for poisoning the well for everyone.
 
it's very clear JJ's only goal was to relive his childhood by making a Star Wars movie "like in the good old days", rather than crafting a genuine, organic continuation of first six films

I don't even think it was that. I don't think he gives a fuck about Star Wars, but he wanted to be praised and get his dick sucked. Which is why he did his mystery box bullshit, assuming better writers and directors would fill in the blanks and he'd get all the credit. instead, his expectations were subverted and Palpatine returned, somehow. He's a talentless hack.
 
I don't even think it was that. I don't think he gives a fuck about Star Wars, but he wanted to be praised and get his dick sucked. Which is why he did his mystery box bullshit, assuming better writers and directors would fill in the blanks and he'd get all the credit. instead, his expectations were subverted and Palpatine returned, somehow. He's a talentless hack.
JJ is a pathetic individual who desperately wants to be seen as the next Spielberg or Star Wars/THX era Lucas which lead him to do shit like Force Awakens, Star Trek, and Super 8, the last one which I borderline consider the primordial soup of the 80s nostalgia slop inundating Hollywood.
 
I see. Thank you for correcting me. Still, seems kind of weird that ancient humanity spread while the Aeldari Empire was still around. I mean, didn't they dominate the galaxy and have at least ten million worlds? That's like, ten times the size of the Imperium. And they grew their Empire after the War in Heaven thing.
The Eldar empire vs humans was never explained properly. Fans can theorise that the Eldar were too busy with blood orgies to care, and the humans knew better than to disrupt that LGBT nest. They also dominated the galaxy for like sixty million years. I'm surprised there is no lore on the Orks stirring up trouble.
A Protected Republic is Long Overdue-by Republic Judicial Terrinald Screed

Sure, maybe some officials like Screed, who was later an Imperial high command person, knew. That's all good and fine.

Others may have gotten access to Sith wars as historians, senators, etc.

But random guys from that Disney show knowing enough that the Sith were fallen Jedi just... rubs me wrong. I recall the pre-Empire Republic and Jedi treating the Sith as a dirty secret, a shame that they wouldn't advertise enough for it to be common knowledge.
Palpatine pulled off his new look because nobody realised that's what a Sith looked like, which means that the common knowledge about the Sith must have been low, or people would have figured out his strangely glowing eyes and black robes.

The difference is like an Airforce officer knowing about Project Bluebook, vs a bunch of random youths knowing about it enough to mimick investigating UFOs without the internet. Or Cathars (Not the furries, the catholic spin offs). Who knows of the Cathars today, and how their death spawned the meme of "Kill them all, God will know his own!" . If it was a wealthy businessman collecting artifacts, or a historian researching them, I would be totally fine.

This changed in the old SW EU post the battle of Yavin, with Sith being a more known group, but that show is in Disney, and not in EU cannon where Grandmaster Luke can tell everyone about Sith and how they are bad and what to look for to spot Sithphylis.
 
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Palpatine pulled off his new look because nobody realised that's what a Sith looked like, which means that the common knowledge about the Sith must have been low, or people would have figured out his strangely glowing eyes and black robes.
Also it has been mentioned in many EU books that he flaunted it, often using Sith imagery or artifacts as decoration for his office like the Four Sages of Dwartii. He wasn't just thumbing the nose at the public who didn't know better, he was also doing the same to the, apparently just as clueless, Jedi.
 
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The Eldar empire vs humans was never explained properly. Fans can theorise that the Eldar were too busy with blood orgies to care, and the humans knew better than to disrupt that LGBT nest. They also dominated the galaxy for like sixty million years. I'm surprised there is no lore on the Orks stirring up trouble.
Which again, goes to show us that the Black Library writers never truly cared. No wonder GW never made their books canon. At least with Star Wars, the Republic grew in power AFTER the Rakatans fell. Having the humans be at the height of their technological power around the same time the Eldar dominated the galaxy makes no fucking sense. That's like saying the Republic during the time of Yoda and Obi-Wan existed around the same time the Rakatan Empire dominated the galaxy.

It should've been more like this:

Eldar Empire->Birth of Slaanesh/Fall of the Aeldari->Rise of Humanity/Dark Age of Technology->Age of Strife->Great Crusade/Horus Heresy->Modern 40K

Sure, maybe some officials like Screed, who was later an Imperial high command person, knew. That's all good and fine.
Screed only became Imperial High Command way later on. During the time of the Republic, he was just a judicial, which means that he was just some random military police dude for the Republic-which at the time, was demilitarized, so the judicial force was basically their equivalent of the Japanese SDF instead of being a proper military. If a bum like him knew who the Sith were, chances are, more educated commoners knew. At least the historians knew.

But random guys from that Disney show knowing enough that the Sith were fallen Jedi just... rubs me wrong. I recall the pre-Empire Republic and Jedi treating the Sith as a dirty secret, a shame that they wouldn't advertise enough for it to be common knowledge.
Not really. Like the above article showed, military police officers knew who the Sith were. It's just that the idea of them surviving the last war that took place 1000 years ago was a dirty little secret. As far as everyone was concerned, they died out 1000 years before the Clone Wars.

Palpatine pulled off his new look because nobody realised that's what a Sith looked like, which means that the common knowledge about the Sith must have been low, or people would have figured out his strangely glowing eyes and black robes.
On the contrary, Palpatine during the Empire era was openly a Sith, and he surrounded himself with Sith minions. Especially since by that time, hatred of the Jedi was at an all-time high for them trying to kill a popular elected politician, so hating on the Jedi and being friends with their enemies was A-OK.

Also, before the Empire, Palpatine looked just like any other senatorial aristocrat. His wardrobe in TPM and AOTC was no more flashier than what the local senatorial elite were wearing, and his crimson robe in ROTS, while definitely of Sith origin, was something he started wearing only when he was secure in his power after the Senate granted him power over the Jedi Council and the authority to appoint regional governors. At that point in time, he was already the Emperor in everything but name.

Or Cathars (Not the furries, the catholic spin offs). Who knows of the Cathars today, and how their death spawned the meme of "Kill them all, God will know his own!" . If it was a wealthy businessman collecting artifacts, or a historian researching them, I would be totally fine.
More than a few people do. I sure did when I did my research on the Inquisition. Also, that meme was apocryphal; no legitimate historical source has that quote. Especially when the Inquisition's job was to sift between who was a heretic and who was not, because local governments were just executing heretics due to the grave political danger they posed, using the Bible as an excuse to not swear loyalty to any government. The Cathars and other heretical groups were enough of a threat that even kings who had beef with the Pope still executed them on the spot.
 
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I  highly doubt that. I don't believe that JJ gave a single shit when he made TFA, since he wasn't supposed to have anything to do with any subsequent films. Don't forget, he was only brought back when Colin Trevorrow noped the fuck out after seeing what he had to work with.

JJ just set up a whole bunch of nothing to give the illusion of a greater narrative, but, as E;R put it, the mystery box was always empty. And JJ didn't care.
The Force Awakens is actually my least favorite sequel because at least TLJ and ROS had a point. TFA was literally just a bunch of random shit and nostalgiabait that JJ threw at the wall to get mouthbreathers to go see it. The world it created was so unbelievably flawed that the next two movies were spent trying to make sense of it.
 
I don't even think it was that. I don't think he gives a fuck about Star Wars, but he wanted to be praised and get his dick sucked. Which is why he did his mystery box bullshit, assuming better writers and directors would fill in the blanks and he'd get all the credit. instead, his expectations were subverted and Palpatine returned, somehow. He's a talentless hack.

Palpatine returning was never in his original idea. I wish the Disney Regieme would leave and let the real behind-the-scenes stories be told.

JJ has said he laughed when he read Snoke being killed and that when doing TROS they had no choice but brining back Palpatine. It wasn't in the plan. They even tried a version with out him or whatever the Matt Smith villain plot was.

I'll restate it, but my RJ and TLJ theory is simply that RJ looks down on Star Wars and other blockbuster franchises as being shit but people get swept up in cheap writing tricks, visuals, music and effects. He doesn't value the talent that can go into these franchises. Thinks he's so much better and so thought he could make a film that absolutely shits all over Star Wars and what the fans want. Cover it in all the cheap tricks and make people love it. Having pulled some egotistical prank over the audience using his superior film making skills.

While it is entirely possible and maybe more likely he just was a bad choice and made a shit film that fucked the sequels and the entire franchise. I do believe there's plenty of evidence to support that this smug shitty attitude did exist in RJ when making the film. It may not as been as much shitty on the fans, but there definitely was an attitude of not giving the fans what they wanted but thinking they then will lap it up.
 
Screed only became Imperial High Command way later on. During the time of the Republic, he was just a judicial, which means that he was just some random military police dude for the Republic-which at the time, was demilitarized, so the judicial force was basically their equivalent of the Japanese SDF instead of being a proper military. If a bum like him knew who the Sith were, chances are, more educated commoners knew. At least the historians knew
Screed is essentially a military officer even in that capacity. That's not just some random bum in any context. That's the kind of guy who would actively look up military history. Besides, we kind of know how much the average person knows about Sith already. In the old EU, in the Phantom Menace novelization from Anakins point of view, he mentions meeting an old spacer who was very knowledgeable and wise (and was the same guy who told him what an angel was) and somehow, the topic of the Sith does come up. The spacer hears that word and responds by saying it was (and I'm paraphrasing here) an old threat that was occasionally rumored to still exist. So, the Sith were still a known enough quantity for people who were educated and weren't bureaucrats. The average map game enthusiast could conceive of them.
 
Screed is essentially a military officer even in that capacity. That's not just some random bum in any context.
Kind of. I mean, the judicial forces were not as well-supplied as an actual military. They were more like a glorified police force.

That's the kind of guy who would actively look up military history.
That's the kind of guy who is required to know military history, even though he was a glorified cop. Especially since they would be dealing with the militaries of local sectors.

Besides, we kind of know how much the average person knows about Sith already. In the old EU, in the Phantom Menace novelization from Anakins point of view, he mentions meeting an old spacer who was very knowledgeable and wise (and was the same guy who told him what an angel was) and somehow, the topic of the Sith does come up. The spacer hears that word and responds by saying it was (and I'm paraphrasing here) an old threat that was occasionally rumored to still exist. So, the Sith were still a known enough quantity for people who were educated and weren't bureaucrats. The average map game enthusiast could conceive of them.
See? Like I said, the Sith were known even back then. It was the fact that they survived the last war, that was a secret.
 
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It would be a much better story than the sequels.
Palpatine returns in a young clone body and, using post-war chaos wiggles his way into the senate. From there he pushes for peace with the imperial remnants, uniting the galaxy again. Using his natural charisma and popularity he gained by bringing lasting peace, he's elected again.
It's more fitting his character than being a zombie on some lost planet.
 
It would be a much better story than the sequels.
Palpatine returns in a young clone body and, using post-war chaos wiggles his way into the senate. From there he pushes for peace with the imperial remnants, uniting the galaxy again. Using his natural charisma and popularity he gained by bringing lasting peace, he's elected again.
It's more fitting his character than being a zombie on some lost planet.
That was even more hilarious in the actual Dark Empire series. At least in the beginning......

The Empire already retook Coruscant before Palpatine returned; then some generals got into a fight with the Imperial Ruling Council and the Imps started shooting each other. Then Palpatine comes back, reigns in the infighting and unites the Empire again, and they drive the New Republic from the core so badly that the NR becomes known as the Rebellion once again, and the Imperial Remnant becomes the Galactic Empire once more.
 
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I don't even think it was that. I don't think he gives a fuck about Star Wars, but he wanted to be praised and get his dick sucked. Which is why he did his mystery box bullshit, assuming better writers and directors would fill in the blanks and he'd get all the credit. instead, his expectations were subverted and Palpatine returned, somehow. He's a talentless hack.
This is going to sound super cringe, but they had JJ's as a guest star during that Fortnite event where they were previewing the movie a few years back. And you could tell that he truly, genuinely, did not give a shit. There's no passion with JJ, no actual desire to make a good film, he just wants to be able to say he directed a Star Wars movie.
 
dont know if I posted this already but im gonna do it anyways, I still think half life 2 gets beat out by jedi outcast and jedi adaemy out of pure cool factor, yes im biased because its the first fps I played but some maps are batshit insane compared to source, heres one example.
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Dont have a lot at the moment because I dont have the game installed but it is one of the games back to, to ponder if this game had a physics engine would it have surpassed hl2 altogether as the deathmatch was extremely varied and combat scenarios werent entirely based off physics, but how your weapon worked, having each weapon have a different mechanic instead of having a ton of weapons that all have 1-2 functions whereas jedi outcasts aresenal provides multiple different playstyles for beginners and experienced people alike.
handful of notable examples are, mace windu party crasher, movie battles 1-2
 
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