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The only downsides I see is that a personal email server forgoes the ability to "hide in the crowd" that using a major service offers. If you host multiple domains on one box, they can all be linked back to you. I remember someone getting outed, during GamerGate I think, doing gayops because they hosted a wiki they were the admin of on the same box they were using to CP bomb 8chan. (edit: it was Laurelai Bailey)
I don't think its really not a big deal anymore especially since we have tools like SimpleLogin and addy.io.

I think the only issue and a question I have is that, when you purchase a domain is there any public records of who owns that domain? If so then what does public records contain and how do you hide / remove those records.
 
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I think the only issue and a question I have is that, when you purchase a domain is there any public records of who owns that domain? If so then what does public records contain and how do you hide / remove those records.
There are more qualified people to answer this question, but I am here first. Yes, there are, but not always. It depends on whether the NIC has a WHOIS server, I think. Almost all do, but for example, .az (Azerbaijan) does not, but .az domains can only be purchased by residents of Azerbaijan.

There are also services which offer WHOIS anonymisation or something like that, from what I recall. I'm not sure how effective they are, and I think they are a little expensive. Sometimes it is included by the site you purchase the domain from.
 
Yeah maybe you’re right. I guess it’s just me being blinded by Optimism sorry if the idea is retarded. I just hope the we don’t have to rely on server providers or Email Providers to host our E-mails. Maybe one day when technology gets better and better.
It's not too hard to do this today, but it has some caveats. Oversimplifying a bit, the way email usually works today is:

* You send an email through Thunderbird on your laptop.
* Your laptop connects to your SMTP server and stores the message on it.
* Your SMTP server connects to the recipient's SMTP server and sends it the message.
* Thunderbird on the recipient's laptop connects to the recipient's IMAP server and downloads the message.

So if you and your buddy each run your own IMAP and SMTP server, then you can send each other email whenever both computers are on! There are a few high quality open source IMAP and SMPT servers that can easily be installed on a Linux computer, so you need to be autistic enough to install Linux on a computer, open up the necessary ports on your router/firewall/etc and secure it (TL;DR keep it up to date and don't install sketchy Minecraft mods and as long as you're a nobody you're fine), but this is totally doable for a hobbyist.

You probably don't actually need a domain name for this, something like DynDNS would work. Note that this means you are publicly associating the IP address that your computer is connected to with your email address, Is that a problem? You would also need to enable encryption on these servers or else your ISP et al would see your email contents. Can you trust that encryption? Depends on what exactly you're trying to hide and from whom, and you could always use GPG on top of this (though glowies will still know who you are emailing). If you actually plan to do this, please do your research on the details if you plan to count on it for anything more sensitive than shitposting.

The primary caveat is that normie SMTP servers won't accept email from you, so the only people you can email are fellow autists. Normies should be able to send mail to you.

The other caveat is that your computer needs to be online to receive email, and other servers will only try so many times to send it before giving up. IIRC they'll keep trying for at least a day or two, but less and less often. Maybe just once every few hours after awhile. So if this is your laptop and you're frequently on the move, you might get unlucky. You could get a Raspberry PI or a cheap old corporate laptop from eBay, and as long as it's on 12 hours a day it would probably be very reliable.

Your ISP probably blocks port 25 which is outbound SMTP, so you and your buddy would probably need to listen on both port 25 (for normie email) and some other port for your email (this requires non-standard config on both your ends but is probably easy).

You could also try some more esoteric things, like email over Tor (no clue if this works, but it should be possible). Freenet has something kind of like email, if you don't mind pedos storing small chunks of encrypted CP on your hard drive as the price of free speech. These are both only going to work with fellow chuds. You sick fuck.

You can't send email to the big "cool kids" club, but you could shitpost with your small group of chudbuds. If it ever gets big/popular, however, you'll probably find yourself in a similar position to cock.li.

I think the future of the Internet is a boot stomping on a human face, forever, but more specifically, we are seeing a bifurcation into the "respectable" internet and the "non-respectable" internet. I think the powers that be are currently more focused on making that separation complete than in eliminating the latter, which is much harder to pull off. DropKiwiFarms never made any headway against the Tor service beyond DDoS attacks, and had Dear Feeder been content to lurk on Tor, they probably would have called that a victory.

The problem is that it would have been a victory, because the goal is to "quarantine" us all off in some dark corner and wait for us to die. Our little small-i-internet would glow brightly and be small enough to deal with in other ways.

TL;DR It's not actually a solution to the noose tightening around the Internet's neck, but LARPing your own email setup is a totally realistic fun hobby project and you'd probably learn a lot.
 
Yes, there are, but not always. It depends on whether the NIC has a WHOIS server, I think. Almost all do, but for example, .az (Azerbaijan) does not, but .az domains can only be purchased by residents of Azerbaijan.
If you do have public records of your domains, does services like DeleteMe or EasyOptOuts remove those public records?
 
is there any public records of who owns that domain?
There are no public records. Registrars must host a WHOIS servers that will give you the current contract info for the owner of a domain and registrars have to ensure this information is accurate and up to date. For privacy many registrars allow you to use the contact info a proxy entity. You are only able to query for the current information and there are no historical records kept. There are 3rd party databases who scrape this data and keep records of it.

does services like DeleteMe or EasyOptOuts remove those public records?
Those services don't remove public records.
 
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There are no public records. Registrars must host a WHOIS servers that will give you the current contract info for the owner of a domain and registrars have to ensure this information is accurate and up to date. For privacy many registrars allow you to use the contact info a proxy entity. You are only able to query for the current information and there are no historical records kept. There are 3rd party databases who scrape this data and keep records of it.
So from what I'm understanding from this is that there is no public records for who owns a domain, and the stuff that is public is just contacts to the owner of those domains, and all of the records that the Registrars are private and get deleted by 3rd Party Databases who delete and back them up, correct?
Those services don't remove public records.
Oh I thought they delete those public records, my bad.
 
TL;DR It's not actually a solution to the noose tightening around the Internet's neck, but LARPing your own email setup is a totally realistic fun hobby project and you'd probably learn a lot.
I agree that it is a fun hobby project and great for learning but, as someone who ran my own email from scratch for years I have to caution everyone. The reasons why you'll be cut of from sending to the big boys like Gmail and Microsoft and Yahoo are.. actually pretty reasonable. SPF, DKIM, DMARC, MTA-STS, are all very useful for stopping deluges of spam and email spoofing, and if you don't go through the trouble of configuring them all your mail servers will be effectively blacklisted from the rest of the federation and they should be. Without them your normie email address inboxes would be flooded with shit and you'd have no way to validate who the messages were really from. But yeah if you have no expectation of mailing your mum it can be fun to learn.

There are no public records. Registrars must host a WHOIS servers that will give you the current contract info for the owner of a domain and registrars have to ensure this information is accurate and up to date. For privacy many registrars allow you to use the contact info a proxy entity. You are only able to query for the current information and there are no historical records kept. There are 3rd party databases who scrape this data and keep records of it.
Worth keeping in mind two things.
1) WHOIS is useless for a lot of domains, you can thank GDPR for that. Do a spot check on some random websites, especially smaller ones, and you'll see a lot of "REDACTED FOR PRIVACY". It also varies for some cctlds, some have never published info about the owner like .gr, .ro, .al, and (I think?) .it. The registrars still have to keep up to date records, they just don't have to publish that data publicly. Also worth noting that WHOIS itself is slowly being replaced by RDAP (Registration Data Access Protocol), but one of the key features there is access control so not all data will be accessible by the public at large.
2) Be careful when using whois privacy services, I have heard before that whoever ends up on the public WHOIS data that is published, is the legal owner of that domain. I don't know if that's ever been tested in court and I don't know if that has changed in the moder age, if anyone knows more and has links to back it up I'd be curious.

So from what I'm understanding from this is that there is no public records for who owns a domain, and the stuff that is public is just contacts to the owner of those domains, and all of the records that the Registrars are private and get deleted by 3rd Party Databases who delete and back them up, correct?
What?
No.
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What? Are you a markov chain?
 
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CISA existed before it was CISA, as part of DHS. It sounded like a good idea when it was doing "cybersecurity and infrastructure protection". It wasn't until it became interested in protecting NATO's "cognitive infrastructure" that it got all 1984. Of course, maybe that was the point all along, with "defensive cybersecurity" mandate being a Trojan horse.

Hit me with rainbows, but considering people like Elon and Trump appear to be listening to people who have been all over outing "disinformation researcher" grift, like Mike Benz, I don't think the Trump admin is liable to make that mistaken again. If anything he's likely to make things worse by going to hard in the other direction.

Not like it matters, all these NGOs are already far enough outside the government they're going to be a pain in our ass for the foreseeable future.
I do not think Musk and Trump are going to support gray hat or dark hat stuff for a number of reasons.

When it comes to Musk, he is no fan of computer hacking or doxing. He has detested threat actors like the time his Twitter account got hacked where the hacker used his account (and several others) for a crypto scam. Musk has also openly denounced doxing several times ever since he bought out Twitter; some incidents include having his flight being tracked by skids where they were tracking live flight data of his flight at the time and after that incident he enacted stricter anti-doxing rules for Twitter, the time StoneToss (a right-wing artist that makes comics satirizing the Left) got doxed in which the Twitter mods immediately scrubbed away clean his personal information off Twitter, and more recently Musk has denounced the Southern Poverty Law Center for doxing several journalists that work for Not The Bee and Musk has called the SPLC as criminals for leaking their personal information.

If you think Musk is going to be on your side, he won't. He may be pro-free speech on a lot of things and he may be a tech guy but things like doxing, what he sees as online harassment, and computer hacking are things he doesn't consider protected speech. It doesn't help that Musk will be working closely with the 2nd Trump administration so be on your toes should Musk lobby for new laws and regulations that can be used to crack down on certain online behaviors.

As for Trump, you have to remember that he is a boomer that grew up in a time when anti-stalking and anti-harassment laws weren't part of American law at the time and when people like Richard Ramirez, the Zodiac Killer, and Ted Bundy were brand new things to the American public conscious so Trump may view individuals and communities of the sort online as no different from the violent and skitzo criminals he grew up with in his day. Furthermore, Trump is very pro-Israel where he may use that as an excuse to keep track of possible antisemitic behavior online in the name of "National Security". Trump is not going to see communities like Cock Mail or even Kiwi Farms as "God Fearing Patriots", his administration is likely going to see those communities as being in bed with China or Iran or something of the sort and he may see said communities being potential terrorists working with some extremist groups that America has since put on government watchlists (it doesn't help that the Israel-Palestine War is still ongoing and Trump is no fan of Muslims and he's no fan of people that hate the Jewish community to begin with).

I think CISA may get reformed but I don't see it getting abolished and Trump may use that as a tool to haunt his enemies and people opposed to him in the name of "National Security". Trump being pro-strong borders also means he's likely to weaponize agencies like CISA against foreign threat actors and anyone he sees as a traitor to America.

What I'm saying here is don't count on Trump and Musk being saviors for the average online edgelord troll. I know I sound like a doomposter right now but I'm just having low expectations to avoid disappointment anyway.
 
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What I'm saying here is don't count on Trump and Musk being saviors for the average online edgelord troll. I know I sound like a doomposter right now but I'm just having low expectations to avoid disappointment anyway.
Don't forget Trump's Section 230 reform bullshit. Neither party is a friend to this place, whether it's what you describe or "hate" and "disinformation".

The reasons why you'll be cut of from sending to the big boys like Gmail and Microsoft and Yahoo are.. actually pretty reasonable. SPF, DKIM, DMARC, MTA-STS, are all very useful for stopping deluges of spam and email spoofing, and if you don't go through the trouble of configuring them all your mail servers will be effectively blacklisted from the rest of the federation and they should be.
I agree. These policies are reasonable, but they create centralization in the same way that government regulations do -- it takes work to comply. I don't think TPTB need to love centralization to explain this, they simply need to not value decentralization. Once the centralization has gone far enough, the next time an independent provider causes a minor headache, it's easy enough to target them even if that wasn't the plan from the start. It also provides a big lever for troon-style harassment tactics to impose their will on the entire Internet. They may not have caused centralization, but it enables them to exercise power.

What made me give up years ago was the difficult of troubleshooting (also mentioned upthread) and the constantly shifting requirements, combined with the dangerous failure mode of your outbound messages disappearing. Perhaps this has stabilized enough that you can just set it up once and be done with it. The other problem is finding an ISP/cloud provider/etc that will allow outbound SMTP. They all block port 25 outbound, but I haven't dug into whether you can somehow opt out of that, or whether they permit outbound SMTP 465/587 or somesuch.

I believe it is still technically possible to run your own SMTP server that is permitted to send to the big companies, if you follow all the rules. That may include some unwritten rules like "your server is sending too many messages that our spam filter detects as spam" even if legitimate. I've heard it claimed that part of why email newsletters etc have tracking pixels is so that you can remove users who never open them, to avoid aggrevating big tech, though I have no clue if this is actually a thing. If there were hundreds of services like cock.li, it would be much harder to harass them into compliance. You're probably not talking about the full force of the government here, just some tendril of it, the resources are likely limited.

I really do believe so much of the fall of the internet was 95% apathy and greed creating the conditions where it became easy enough to stamp out freedom that "why not?". But I'm just some autist spectating from the sidelines and don't really understand the politics. It's not like some giant conspiracy would really surprise me etiher.
 
I've heard it claimed that part of why email newsletters etc have tracking pixels is so that you can remove users who never open them, to avoid aggrevating big tech, though I have no clue if this is actually a thing.
Not versed on it at all, but that is a practice in other spheres, to be vague. Checksum aggravation exists for myriad reasons, and that's one with some certainteedness to it. It literally exists on a physical level in many capacities otherwise. Sending a personal letter is important.
 
Don't forget Trump's Section 230 reform bullshit. Neither party is a friend to this place, whether it's what you describe or "hate" and "disinformation".
If what you're doing isn't pissing off the so-called "Establishment," whether it's Camel Harris or Donald Trump, you are NOT the resistance. It's ridiculous how Trump has managed to sell himself as some alternative to the Deep State when he is the Deep State and a gigantic Zionist.

Also the left and right are both absolute garbage and neither give an utter flying fuck about the most fundamental right humans have, which is freedom of speech. Even when they talk about it, claim to support it, or disregard it, their definition is "speech that agrees with me" is "free speech." "Speech that disagrees with me" is "terrorism/hate speech."

Fuck all these clowns. Put them ALL against the wall.
 
Even when they talk about it, claim to support it, or disregard it, their definition is "speech that agrees with me" is "free speech." "Speech that disagrees with me" is "terrorism/hate speech."
Freespeech absolutism is retarded and nobody would ever support it in a million years.

I support freespeech as in the right to criticise and express myself, no more no less. If you want more you start having to allow things like whatever the fuck sex pest degenerates, pedophiles and zoophiles are saying or even potentially consider dictionary-definition harassment as freespeech.
 
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Freespeech absolutism is retarded and nobody would ever support it in a million years.

I support freespeech as in the right to criticise and express myself, no more no less. If you want more you start having to allow things like whatever the fuck sex pest degenerates, pedophiles and zoophiles are saying or even potentially consider dictionary-definition harassment as freespeech.
Just say you don't believe in free speech
 
Just say you don't believe in free spee-ACK
Even Null doesn't support freespeech absolutism, you can get banned from the forum just for being a pedo. Literally nobody supports this shit. Gab's admins thought they did until it bit their asses and then said lolno.

The closest thing that ever supported this shit are the foodist shithole skibidifarms and 8chan which got the attention of feds.

Be my guest if you want to start a freespeech absolutist platform like 8chan.
 
Even Null doesn't support freespeech absolutism, you can get banned from the forum just for being a pedo. Literally nobody supports this shit. Gab's admins thought they did until it bit their asses and then said lolno.

The closest thing that ever supported this shit are the foodist shithole skibidifarms and 8chan which got the attention of feds.

Be my guest if you want to start a freespeech absolutist platform like 8chan bro.
 

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Don't forget Trump's Section 230 reform bullshit. Neither party is a friend to this place, whether it's what you describe or "hate" and "disinformation".
Fuck me, I'm still trying to process the shock from recent Chris-Chan news that I've somehow found the energy to even bother to respond to this.

As I've said, I have no faith in the newly elected administration.

It wouldn't surprise me if Elon Musk lobbies for anti-defamation laws and anti-doxing laws on a federal level to "Own the Libs" (which would unintentionally affect other online communities in the crossfire) as well as Donald Trump probably putting any websites (regardless if they lean Left or Right) on several government watchlists over antisemitism or anything related to that.
 
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