The Native American Atrocities - They weren't all nature loving pansies

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I found it here. I'll read it and at least one of the responses to it, probably the Montellano one.

There was a book written in the early 1900's that I remember reading decades ago that described the same kind of cannibalism as a normal food source going on in the micronesian islands and the deep inland of the Congo, but it seemed pretty unreliable and I had trouble looking for anything to back it up. I've been interested in finding accounts on non-ritual non-desperation cannibalism ever since, just because it seems so rare.
 
The Aztecs ate eachother for necessity, the ritual arose as a morale component by having the datura-imbibing priests code it into their writing and their religious practices. But there's been a pretty complete study in which the Aztecs, arising out of the Mayan and Olmec cultures, exhausted their adequate supply of appropriate amino acids. That has to do with population density and natural scarcity in the southern Rancho desert. They COULD have traded with the Inca for potatoes and llamas and guinea pigs, and indeed the Mayans to the south often times did. It's even proven they did trade with North American native cultures to some extended. However it was EASIER for them to just go to ritualistic war, torture, and eat eachother in a savage and brutal religious practice. Until, that is, Our Lady of Guadalupe concsecrated mezoamerica to Christ and, incidentally, brought livestock pigs that had been bred by Europeans for thousands of years to have extremely similar flesh to our own, to supply the appropriate amino acids to the Mexicans. You're both right, stop fighting.
 
The Aztecs ate eachother for necessity, the ritual arose as a morale component by having the datura-imbibing priests code it into their writing and their religious practices. But there's been a pretty complete study in which the Aztecs, arising out of the Mayan and Olmec cultures, exhausted their adequate supply of appropriate amino acids. That has to do with population density and natural scarcity in the southern Rancho desert. They COULD have traded with the Inca for potatoes and llamas and guinea pigs, and indeed the Mayans to the south often times did. It's even proven they did trade with North American native cultures to some extended. However it was EASIER for them to just go to ritualistic war, torture, and eat eachother in a savage and brutal religious practice. Until, that is, Our Lady of Guadalupe concsecrated mezoamerica to Christ and, incidentally, brought livestock pigs that had been bred by Europeans for thousands of years to have extremely similar flesh to our own, to supply the appropriate amino acids to the Mexicans. You're both right, stop fighting.
nigga why is every post you make either wikihow animals or chatGPT prompted posts
 
There's no sense in romanticizing and excusing Indian behavior but neither do I see much sense in freaking out over Stone Age pagans acting like Stone Age pagans.

Some specific Indian lore:

In the West, Indians would pretty much always rape women on raids. In the East, they'd pretty much never rape women on raids. The reason was that Eastern Indians, like many peoples around the world, believed menstruation blood had strong magical properties and they did not want to hex themselves by possibly coming into contact with it.

Scalping is a pretty universal custom across the world. Indians became familiar with it - using it frequently - as a consequence of Whites paying bounties for enemy tribes scalps, but they got to liking it so much that it took on a life of its own.

Abduction was common because in many tribes they would adopt the abducted as tribal members. Children are obviously the more likely to actually stay, but it was enough of a feature of Indian society that adults would play along with it too (more than Whites would).

Eastern Indians tended to have matriarchal or at least woman-friendly societies, Western Indians tended to have patriarchal societies. This mostly has to do with Easterners mainly being agriculturalists where women used hoe agriculture and Westerners being mainly hunter-gatherers. Plains Indians often treated women as straight-up chattel. Cherokee women on the other hand were civic leaders and had sexual freedom.

Cannibalism was way more common than people will let on. The Iroquois practiced ritual cannibalism of the organs of loved ones (associated with personality traits of the deceased). Various other Indians, Hurons and Shawnees I think, ate people just to eat people. Karankawas (coastal Texas) were cannibals. Caribs allegedly captured children and fattened them for slaughter. The Mesoamerican world was full of ritualized cannibalism of sacrifices.

Torture was standard. (Torture was also standard in European society at the time.) Comanches were known for being the best torturers, and liked to sand people's feet down to make them raw and make them walk on coals. Iroquois liked burning people, especially Cherokees, alive.


@mindlessobserver I remember us talking about this before, for the benefit of others reading, I disagree with that theory because I don't understand how cannibalism can be explained as filling a necessary nutritional need for any species. It happens in nature, but surely you couldn't have a closed system of people breeding and living lives and dying that requires them to consume nutrients from themselves because they can't get it elsewhere. Flower wars also weren't that large and the Mesoamericans did have access to chihuahuas, seafood and freshwater fish, and various fowl (not chickens) that could be used for meat.
 
My brain's better than ChatGPT and so is yours, it's just not as extensive. I've studied this topic extensively. Have a wikihow animal.
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But not every culture demanded tribute of fresh meat for food. And by fresh meat I mean humans.
That went on in the Ottoman empire till 1700s.

Human sacrifice was universal if you go far enough back. The "good guys" in your worldview phased out human sacrifice to the gods in favour of human sacrifice just because they thought it was funny to watch. The six acre stone arena they used for it is still a tourist attraction in Rome.

That's a pretty interesting theory, who made it up?
Gladitorial fights were not lethal, they were sports closer to boxing.
 
Most Native American atrocities aren't really different than what other cultures did (or do, like modern Africans) in times of war or when the tribe just wants to take shit for money. The only difference between the average "Injuns raid a farm and abduct some girls" and "Vikings sack a village" is that the latter happened countless centuries ago and ended up romanticized.

I find Native American ethnic cleansing more fascinating. Like if you to Wikipedia and look up "uncategorized languages of Ecuador" or "uncategorized languages of Peru", you'll get an enormous list, and it's all because the Inca did Stalin-style mass deportations of entire ethnic groups and most of the survivors ended up speaking other languages. We only even know their existence because the Inca didn't do a good enough job and the Spanish learned that those tribes existed and wrote them.
The problem for our moral story of evil colonialist whiteys however, is the Good Guys won in the old world, while the bad guys won in the new world. This was because the old world had plenty of non human protein sources so killing and eating humans was easily banned. In the new world this was more of a problem, especially after the natives exterminated the mega fauna of North America. Human flesh was the only readily available meat at that point, and the priests and nobles of the new world dined quite judiciously upon it, as befit their station. The suffering and societal trauma this caused utterly meaningless because greed and elite sociopathy is universal in human societies even today.
Nope, they raised chihuahuas for food, had turkeys and a sort of duck, had managed game reserves full of deer, and had lots of lakes and rivers full of fish that they ate. There is archaeological evidence they had such well-developed transportation networks that the Aztecs would pay to have shellfish brought from the coast to their capital. They probably didn't even require TOO much protein anyway, since the average male height was like 5'2. That's why Hispanics are so short to this day--their ancestral culture had too little protein for thousands of years.

Cannibalism as a source of nutrients just doesn't make sense because it's very inefficient. Humans take too long to grow to maturity. Babies and children don't have a lot of nutrients and mothers take 9 months to gestate 1-2 children.
 
Bottom line the Red Man was savage, brutal, warlike, murderous and rapey, just like everyone else. Fortunately for the White Man they were also stone age primitives who hadn't yet discovered metalurgy, or gunpowder, or even invented writing or the wheel. Plus thier immune systems were weak as shit because they'd been isolated for 10's of thousands of years.

Never forget they made the fucking vikings abandon settlements in the new world.
 
It's a curious aspect of American society why we are taught to hate ourselves for driving out the Native Americans while presenting it as being so absolutely one-sided. It wasn't.

Many of you probably know this by now, but many of you probably don't--did you know we didn't use smallpox blankets to wipe out natives? But they teach that in fact in the schools, because that's what they want you to believe.

And I have to say, I agree--human sacrifice has never really been the norm and often if it was done, it was prisoners or prisoners of war. Likewise with cannabalism, it's a really bad idea to eat other people due to the risk of disease, especially when there are other sources of food. If I recall the anthropological evidence is that it's almost always been overplayed by gullible or superstitious anthropologists.
 
@mindlessobserver I remember us talking about this before, for the benefit of others reading, I disagree with that theory because I don't understand how cannibalism can be explained as filling a necessary nutritional need for any species. It happens in nature, but surely you couldn't have a closed system of people breeding and living lives and dying that requires them to consume nutrients from themselves because they can't get it elsewhere. Flower wars also weren't that large and the Mesoamericans did have access to chihuahuas, seafood and freshwater fish, and various fowl (not chickens) that could be used for meat.

Nope, they raised chihuahuas for food, had turkeys and a sort of duck, had managed game reserves full of deer, and had lots of lakes and rivers full of fish that they ate. There is archaeological evidence they had such well-developed transportation networks that the Aztecs would pay to have shellfish brought from the coast to their capital. They probably didn't even require TOO much protein anyway, since the average male height was like 5'2. That's why Hispanics are so short to this day--their ancestral culture had too little protein for thousands of years.

Cannibalism as a source of nutrients just doesn't make sense because it's very inefficient. Humans take too long to grow to maturity. Babies and children don't have a lot of nutrients and mothers take 9 months to gestate 1-2 children.

There absolutely is no practical reason to engage in cannibalism. Especially not with the risk of Kuru being much higher.

The only reason why certain civilizations engage in cannibalism is the same reason why some burnt their children alive to Molech: given time, some humans will develop a fetish for doing the most depraved, evil shit imaginable for the sake of doing depraved, evil shit. That's all there is to it.
 
It's a curious aspect of American society why we are taught to hate ourselves for driving out the Native Americans while presenting it as being so absolutely one-sided. It wasn't.

Many of you probably know this by now, but many of you probably don't--did you know we didn't use smallpox blankets to wipe out natives? But they teach that in fact in the schools, because that's what they want you to believe.

And I have to say, I agree--human sacrifice has never really been the norm and often if it was done, it was prisoners or prisoners of war. Likewise with cannabalism, it's a really bad idea to eat other people due to the risk of disease, especially when there are other sources of food. If I recall the anthropological evidence is that it's almost always been overplayed by gullible or superstitious anthropologists.
Human sacrifice depended on the tribe. It definitely wasn't just prisoners or POWs, since in Mesoamerica there were volunteers for sacrifice. Other tribes sacrificed their slaves (who were hereditarily slaves). One famous recent case happened in Chile in 1960, where an Indian shaman led her people in the sacrifice of a boy after a great earthquake.
There absolutely is no practical reason to engage in cannibalism. Especially not with the risk of Kuru being much higher.

The only reason why certain civilizations engage in cannibalism is the same reason why some burnt their children alive to Molech: given time, some humans will develop a fetish for doing the most depraved, evil shit imaginable for the sake of doing depraved, evil shit. That's all there is to it.
Oddly, a bunch of Native American cultures would agree with that assessment, since they considered cannibalism to be an ultimate act of spiritual pollution. The wendigo is a famous example of what was thought of cannibals.
 
@mindlessobserver Recently had a chat with some of these red niggers, apparently theres a loose conspiracy amongst all the indian reserves in America that they are trying to have as many children as they can and petition more reserves to open and retake the US using our own tax dollars since they get welfare for life and simply outbreed us.

Side note: these retards never go beyond living in trailers in a trailer park, no such thing as advancement and generational wealth.

The collapse of this retarded country can't come soon enough, next time we won't leave survivors.
 
@mindlessobserver Recently had a chat with some of these red niggers, apparently theres a loose conspiracy amongst all the indian reserves in America that they are trying to have as many children as they can and petition more reserves to open and retake the US using our own tax dollars since they get welfare for life and simply outbreed us.

Side note: these retards never go beyond living in trailers in a trailer park, no such thing as advancement and generational wealth.

The collapse of this retarded country can't come soon enough, next time we won't leave survivors.
I imagine Niggers and Jeets will have a word or two about that, saaaars.

The feather fears the dot, for the dot can survive on nothing but cow poo!

On the topic of human sacrifices, sacrificing your own for voodoo is more taboo than for a "reason", even if that is just gladiator bread and circus.

For example, Hungarians often dealt out extremely harsh penalties for treason.
Romanians also didn't take kindly to enemies, as well, Dracula.

But these were criminal or wartime punishments, not a random daily ritual.
 
Native Americans may have done savage things, but which group of people haven't? Most of the white children kidnapped by natives wanted to stay and most of the native children kidnapped by whites wanted to return. We essentially got rid of one of the last group of humans untethered by modernity all for what we have today.
 
but which group of people haven't?
Irish Catholics.
Native Americans may have done savage things, but which group of people haven't? Most of the white children kidnapped by natives wanted to stay and most of the native children kidnapped by whites wanted to return. We essentially got rid of one of the last group of humans untethered by modernity all for what we have today.
Yeah ngl I think that the Christianization of the natives was a good thing but we need to integrate them.
 
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@mindlessobserver Recently had a chat with some of these red niggers, apparently theres a loose conspiracy amongst all the indian reserves in America that they are trying to have as many children as they can and petition more reserves to open and retake the US using our own tax dollars since they get welfare for life and simply outbreed us.

Side note: these retards never go beyond living in trailers in a trailer park, no such thing as advancement and generational wealth.

The collapse of this retarded country can't come soon enough, next time we won't leave survivors.
Most of them are 98% white, and anywhere between 0.2-2% native American.

Can we stop pretending that yt pepo who did their ancestry DNA tests are native American? Thank you.
 
Most of them are 98% white, and anywhere between 0.2-2% native American.

Can we stop pretending that yt pepo who did their ancestry DNA tests are native American? Thank you.
These guys were half white because their mother being white and stupid enough to marry a red nigger.

So the way their culture works these days is the "matriarch" watches all the kids and grandkids and cooks and cleans AND WORKS the husband literally does nothing and lives at home because he's the "chief". Not joking about the chief part, he moved to my state a town over into a trailer park and is positioning himself to run the park itself and exclude any other races except natives.

What's fucked up is, the kids have to give everything the dads wants. They have to leave their homes unlocked incase he wants anything they have: food, stuff, etc. I helped one of the guys move a couch he bought into his place, later on the dad told him to give it to him and he did.

They even have to give money to him from time to time.
 
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