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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I recall some interview a while back where he said he bought the farm after 2008 dirt cheap, and did it mostly because it wouldn't be subject to inheritance tax.

He was selectively quoted. He said he bought it for a bird shoot, because he enjoys that sort of thing, and that it incidentally had the benefit of bearing no inheritance tax. The media all cut out the part about the shoot and focused purely on the tax. It's probably the shooting that got him interested in the rest of what happens on a farm.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Is rod Stewart a rare alright one? Married to the same woman forever and is well into model trains.

Fucking BIG TIME, he's got one of the largest collections of model trains in the UK (possibly even the largest) he's got train models going back to the Rocket from the time the rocket had just compleated the rainhill trials and the train network was a single line.

He also has some serious interests in railway preservation as well.

I remember he was very nice to and patient with Leigh Francis on Bo' Selecta, back in the day, when he was in-character as Avid Merrion, who's whole joke was to go up to celebrities and be weird to them.

This was long before he was a household name as Keith Lemon, shilling for online casinos, so for all Rod knew, he was just another fan.

I think you can tell a lot about famous people by how the interact with the public.

 

[-Jack-]

So in today’s Uk news a very important assisted dying bill is being debated and elected on today in parliament.

Thoughts?

 

[Dude Snakes]

America is the Zionist valhalla while the UK is the technocratic globalist samsara.

Samsara is?

 

[Almighty Space Duck]

So in today’s Uk news a very important assisted dying bill is being debated and elected on today in parliament.

Thoughts?

It will likely pass and Labour will now be known as the party of compassion that had the decency to let the elderly kill themselves rather than freeze to death.

 

[-Jack-]

It will likely pass and Labour will now be known as the party of compassion that had the decency to let the elderly kill themselves rather than freeze to death.

Lol.

I am not fond of any political party in the UK. But If you have ever had an elderly person or anyone in your life terminally ill, have dementia or any other disease or illness that pretty much makes someone you know or love in a vegetative state, I would like to imagine most people are for it. Regardless if you're religious or not, I think there is a large chunk of traditionalists that need to accept change or bite their tongue. The legislation is there to safeguard, so when people argue of "well old people will feel pressured to do it because they feel like a burden" is complete nonsense given the fact that it takes two doctors to sign off and other professionals and you need to be terminally ill and have only 6 months or so left to live. I can't really see any argument against this but I would like to be surprised.

 

[teriyakiburns]

So in today’s Uk news a very important assisted dying bill is being debated and elected on today in parliament.

Thoughts?

I, personally, am in favour of giving people the right to top themselves if they're facing a grim end, but I know that no politician or government will be able to codify that into law in a way that doesn't also give cover to murderers and devalue human life to nothing. The intent of this bill is ugly and oppressive and whatever safeguards it contains will be ignored. I hope it fails bigly. As a bonus, this bill failing would be a black mark against Starmer, who "made a promise" to esther rantzen that he'd get it passed and has personally invested himself in it to the point that it's actually causing division between him and members of his cabinet.

 

[Almighty Space Duck]

I am not fond of any political party in the UK. But If you have ever had an elderly person or anyone in your life terminally ill, have dementia or any other disease or illness that pretty much makes someone you know or love in a vegetative state, I would like to imagine most people are for it.

Been there, done that. Had a grandparent with dementia and while it was a horrible 8 year decline to her death the family would never have robbed her of a moments life. We never put her in a care home and if not for a heart attack putting her into hospice she would have died at home too.

Regardless if you're religious or not, I think there is a large chunk of traditionalists that need to accept change or bite their tongue. The legislation is there to safeguard, so when people argue of "well old people will feel pressured to do it because they feel like a burden" is complete nonsense given the fact that it takes two doctors to sign off and other professionals and you need to be terminally ill and have only 6 months or so left to live. I can't really see any argument against this but I would like to be surprised.

Two doctors is meaningless. As far as I am aware the training/guidance will be given to doctors that opt into the scheme. It will self select for those who are in favour.

 

[Futaba]

On assisted dying - the NHS accidently kills people far too often, giving them the ability to deliberately kill people is insane.

Add into the mix foreign (limited English) NHS staff and our mini dark age where science is obscured by ideology - it should be a resounding no. We are simply not in a fit state to have this law. It feels incredibly rushed as well.

Thinking about Letby - regardless of whether she did it or not, that's 17+ babies who were either deliberately or accidently killed. Either way the NHS tried to cover themselves until it got too obvious. Covering your back is something we cannot legislate for and by devaluing life it will become even more rampant.

 

[Otterly]

So in today’s Uk news a very important assisted dying bill is being debated and elected on today in parliament.

Thoughts?

Likely to be passed

I would like to imagine most people are for it.

I hope not

I can't really see any argument against this

Well, I can see many. Human life is important. But first, think about how this is being promoted. This is how they get these laws through;
1. Pick the absolute worst extreme (people with terrible terminal illness and suffering)
2. Turn around to the public and say look, you can’t argue with that can you? You want these people to suffer? Position it as ‘against X, where X is Very Bad thing or person.’
3. Any objections are quashed with the ‘get with the times / you’re supporting X, are you an X-ist?!’
4. Pass law
5. Public realises law actually has a lot more scope to hurt them, doesn’t really deal with X anyway.
Exactly the same technique has been used to pass all sorts of stuff, like removal of privacy and free speech.
‘look at this dankula guy he’s a NAZI! You’re not a nazi are you? No? Good we will just criminalise offense.’
‘Look at this guy who shot people you don’t want to shoot people do you? Good, we just disarm you,’
‘Look, we are just removing all right to privacy to ..uhhh… yeah catch child molesters that’s it. You don’t support that do you?’
And this is the same. Put forward using the very worst of suffering as a wedge. When you see this emotional leverage you are being manipulated
But look at what it creates:
1. Doctors who are allowed legally to kill
2. A state system that can legally kill you outside of judicial execution.
3. A default assumption that suffering must lead to death becasue can always leads to should and should leads to must.
It’s a terrible idea. Religious or not, giving the state a framework to legally kill peoples is terrible,

 

[Free the Pedos]

right after announcing they've imported another million Abduls and Ngubus

Don’t bring Ngubu into this. He’s like me own son.

In all seriousness, they all have to go back, starting with the Muslims

 

[Mound Dweller]

So in today’s Uk news a very important assisted dying bill is being debated and elected on today in parliament.

Thoughts?

If it passes it'll be less bad than what's in place already with the objectively shit situation of having shell out thousands for a Swiss farewell or risking serious jail time for offing grandma, I do disagree with it being a state matter as self-deletion ought to be a personal responsibility as well as choice IMO ought to just be decriminalized and treated as legal and rare ala Clintonian abortions.
Absolutely no doubt the memes alone will be worth it in the long run too, you think Candian MAID is bad? Wait till UK jobsworths get their psycho mitts on the crumbs of power this fresh apparatus will give them, it will be a whole new frontier.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

So in today’s Uk news a very important assisted dying bill is being debated and elected on today in parliament.

Thoughts?

They're gonna go the Canada route and offer it as the only treatment. Purdue style.

 

[teriyakiburns]

They're gonna go the Canada route and offer it as the only treatment. Purdue style.

Several MPs have mentioned the terrible state of palliative care as a reason to oppose the bill (and at least one used that as a reason to vote for it, apparently under the belief that we need to kill people to make up for how badly they're treated in care). End of life care is abysmal these days, thanks in no small part to how much NHS funding is spent on private care to compensate for long waiting times at NHS facilities. I can fully believe that whatever is left will be allowed to wither entirely if this bill passes, in order to make dying the only choice.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Minister Louise Haigh quits after fraud offence revealed.

tl;dr she lost her work phone and reported it stolen to cover her tracks, then found it later. Convicted of making a false report and given a conditional discharge. Starmer knew about it, but put her in his cabinet anyway, after attacking the tories for being "law breakers". It's being perceived as damaging to his reputation.

IMO the real reason she's resigned isn't because of the conviction, but because she embarrassed Starmer by calling for a boycott of P&O last month. This info was almost definitely leaked to the press with the expectation the story would be lost in the noise of the assisted dying bill coverage.

 

[-Jack-]

Isn't politics fun? We can all discuss differing opinions from different perspectives on the same shitty parties that do fuck all, what a wonderful world! Break over, back to working for my overlord.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Assisted dying, aka, how to top-up the organ donor banks by offing the otherwise healthy, mentally retarded.
"Oh they're suffering you see, they're just unable to express it. I'm a psychiatrist and you can't argue with me. Off to the gas chambers assisted dying room"
"28 year old with (survivable) cancer? Well, your heart and lungs are healthy and you're terminally ill, so sayeth I, the Dr. We will assist you in dying then harvest your organs. Abdul needs new lungs, sorry, John Smith."

We've become so fucking weak as a society that we keep ourselves alive with a cocktail of drugs, only to want more drugs to end it when the time comes. Life is pain, suffering is living. Stop taking the tablets to keep you barely clinging to life in your 60s and you won't be a suffering, crippled, almost-corpse in your 80s.
Failing that, OD heroin is a quick and painless way to go.

 

[teriyakiburns]

MPs have voted 330 to 275 in support of the assisted dying bill.

It goes forward to committee now. This isn't a guarantee it will become law.

Waiting for the breakdown of the vote, but it seems likely a fair chunk of Labour voted against it.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

He was selectively quoted. He said he bought it for a bird shoot, because he enjoys that sort of thing, and that it incidentally had the benefit of bearing no inheritance tax. The media all cut out the part about the shoot and focused purely on the tax. It's probably the shooting that got him interested in the rest of what happens on a farm.

The question I really have though, is how will the tax affect normal farmers? It will obviously affect the man with a networth of over 50 million pounds (and his millionaire friend Harry around the corner), but will it affect Giles the farmer who actually depends on the farm for a living rather than a nice tax shelter?
Clarkson isn't a honest actor at the best of times

 

[Éamonn Ceannt]

Clarkson is acting purely in his own self-interests here. I recall some interview a while back where he said he bought the farm after 2008 dirt cheap, and did it mostly because it wouldn't be subject to inheritance tax. He's also a Tory supporter for the most part.
Kier is a useless cunt, but let's not pretend Clarkson is a champion of the people here.

Fuck you, heil Jezza!

He was selectively quoted. He said he bought it for a bird shoot, because he enjoys that sort of thing, and that it incidentally had the benefit of bearing no inheritance tax. The media all cut out the part about the shoot and focused purely on the tax. It's probably the shooting that got him interested in the rest of what happens on a farm.

Classic BBC!

So in today’s Uk news a very important assisted dying bill is being debated and elected on today in parliament.

Thoughts?

Horrifying. Assisted suicide is disgusting and dangerous.

I can't really see any argument against this but I would like to be surprised.

Euthanizing people is wrong, actually.

But look at what it creates:
1. Doctors who are allowed legally to kill
2. A state system that can legally kill you outside of judicial execution.
3. A default assumption that suffering must lead to death becasue can always leads to should and should leads to must.
It’s a terrible idea. Religious or not, giving the state a framework to legally kill peoples is terrible,

Assisted dying, aka, how to top-up the organ donor banks by offing the otherwise healthy, mentally retarded.

Not only that but there is also an incentive on the part of the state towards euthanasia due to a lack of funding and resources. Do you remember the Charlie Gard or Garb case? That poor kid. His Holiness even offered to take him in and get him treatment in Italy but the NHS wouldn’t even let him leave Britain. I wouldn’t trust the NHS to apply a bandaid, let alone be the arbiter of life and death.