Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Frosted Snowflakes]

It was really never going to live up to the fandom hype. Translation: "No fun allowed! Trans power!"

 

[Gorton Colu]

It was really never going to live up to the fandom hype. Translation: "No fun allowed! Trans power!"
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What hype? OG fans checked out long ago along with most of Bioware's veteran staff.

After 10 years and several reboots, I personally didn't know anyone who had any hopes for the game.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

Yea, what hype? All those trailers and playthroughs featuring a fivehead Troonari would have put one off. Those that aren't only have to see nuhre's BFF Eddie Munster going nyuk nyuk top scars MAH REPRESENTATION and flee the other way.

Which brings me to another point: why did BioWare have some of the ugliest he-she-whatthefuck troglodytes on the Internet to shill their game? Do they think there are enough Eddie Munster types out there to make this game a bazillion trillion dollar bestseller?

 

[Mola Ram]

What hype? OG fans checked out long ago along with most of Bioware's veteran staff.

After 10 years and several reboots, I personally didn't know anyone who had any hopes for the game.

I've been a Dragon Age fan since the first game, and this is how I was feeling 2 years ago, almost to the day:

You have legacy morons like me, who are just curious enough about the DA:I cliffhangers to pray this will be anything remotely resembling a good game and good story, but it's increasingly like being the guy on death row watching the clock tick toward midnight and realizing, nope, the governor is never gonna call.

 

[God of Nothing]

I've been a Dragon Age fan since the first game, and this is how I was feeling 2 years ago, almost to the day:

>caring about inquisition
even the plot of that game was really bad fanfiction

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

>caring about inquisition
even the plot of that game was really bad fanfiction

The worst part of Inquisition is if you never played Legacy DLC, you don't even know wtf is Corypheus.

 

[God of Nothing]

The worst part of Inquisition is if you never played Legacy DLC, you don't even know wtf is Corypheus.

it retcons any decision you may have made with the architect because it doesn't matter: apparently the first darkspawn can just reincarnate like their archdemons, making you wonder why the fuck they even need archdemons to lead when the architect and the mother did more or less the same

 

[Red flaming panda]

>It was really never going to live up to the fandom hype
Yeah, nice cope, faggots.

 

[Gorton Colu]

>caring about inquisition
even the plot of that game was really bad fanfiction

The game had very specific failures in character design and plot pacing, but
I thought the game was enjoyable and a large improvement over DA2. However, it is still well below DAO and Awakening, imo.

 

[God of Nothing]

I thought the game was enjoyable and a large improvement over DA2. However, it is still well below DAO and Awakening, imo.

it's amazing games made almost twenty years after its release still pale in comparison

 

[Mola Ram]

The game had very specific failures in character design and plot pacing, but
I thought the game was enjoyable and a large improvement over DA2. However, it is still well below DAO and Awakening, imo.

The three biggest problems, in my opinion:

- Going semi-open world, when BioWare clearly had no idea how to make a compelling open world. You had a main storyline that comprised maybe 20 hours of gameplay (generously, and if you include companion quests which are generally optional), with 80+ hours of pretty lame padding. Some of the areas were pretty, there were a few interesting side quests (the haunted villa, capturing Keeps, dragon hunting), but for the most part the regions were barren and lifeless. An artifact of when it was an MMORPG, I guess, in which case it probably needed another year or two to cook. Really, it needed at least three or four more main story quests, ideally incorporating the open world in a way the existing ones don't.

- Ditching Hawke as the protagonist left noticeable scars, chiefly Varric and the whole notion of why are we putting our fates in the hands of this total unknown? The religious trappings around the Herald partly answer that question, but never in a truly satisfying way. Your advisors, even Leliana, are a little too goody-goody; a more interesting scenario might be if they tried to manipulate and use you as the Herald to advance the Inquisition's goals and power only for you to seize control yourself -- the inevitable effects of putting a crown on a dog.

- Tons of background story is simply not in the game, forcing the player to read dreadful tie-in fiction and comics or (the more sensible choice) scanning the wiki so you know what's going on. Major events like the War of the Lions, the murders in the White Spire, Solas's machinations (did you have any idea who Felassan was? I didn't), and even the progression of the Mage/Templar war are barely described even in the codex. A cynical ploy to get people to invest in Dragon Age's multimedia products.

There are a ton of serious criticisms to make about Inquisition, but I still found it quite enjoyable, with the caveat that it's a flawed game still groping for what made Origins so special. They never recaptured that magic, nor did they ever settle on what Dragon Age should actually be.

 

[Waifuchu]

The best summary for DAI I've read is that it's an excellent 30-hour RPG buried beneath another 70 hours of bloat and padding.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

The best summary for DAI I've read is that it's an excellent 30-hour RPG buried beneath another 70 hours of bloat and padding.

It's true.
Highlands is fucking huge, and the worst map.

 

[bort420]

The fact that the character creator has been made separate from the game only shows just how shit the rest of the game is. Volition did the same shit with Saint's Row 2022. The character creation was made separate from the game before the release, but Veilguard is doing this after the fact. And for what? You can't make an attractive character because the sliders are extremely limited, and even if you could, the graphics look so simplistic and infantile in comparison to something like, say, Baldur's Gate 3.

Bioware is giving the character for free and I'd still want my money back.

I bet they just spent all the time making the character creator and then glued it onto a dragon age mobile game. Like who the fuck cares about making an OC donut steel? LLMs can generate a better avatar than this.

 

[Kharash]

The best summary for DAI I've read is that it's an excellent 30-hour RPG buried beneath another 70 hours of bloat and padding.

That was always one of the strengths of BioWare games to me, they didn't take that long to finish. You have so many bloated RPGs around, especially when you look at the likes of Pathfinder these days and the 30-50 hour mark Bioware aimed for is just about the right length, not too short and doesn't overstay its welcome. The plot doesn't drag on and on etc.
It made replaying them fun. How many times have you finished Mass Effect or KOTOR? How many times have you finished Wrath of the Righteous or similarly bloated monstrosities?(I know there's some people who are really into that but you know, generally speaking) or indeed, DA:Inquisition.

 

[God of Nothing]

That was always one of the strengths of BioWare games to me, they didn't take that long to finish.

I was surprised by how fast Origins was but how satisfying too.

especially when you look at the likes of Pathfinder these days

you watch your whore mouth

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

I was surprised by how fast Origins was but how satisfying too.

Origins is fucking long if you do all the possible side quests and misc. shit.

 

[God of Nothing]

Origins is fucking long if you do all the possible side quests and misc. shit.

I mean, if you're going for a completionist kind of thing, sure. Any game is long if you do that.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

I mean, if you're going for all full completionist kind of thing, sure. Any game is long if you do that.

Oh, right.
Well, EXP in Dragon Age games are scarce as fuck.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

RINE ENDS HERE
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Ah to be young again I remember this faggot. That was the start of the downfall of Bioware.
His desk filled with snot rag tissues everywhere.

Character creator now free.

Lets see what we can come up with.

Not worth it. If they had a brain they would have released this before launch like Dragons Dogma 2 did. It might have netted them 3 more sales.

Veilguard is doing this after the fact. And for what? You can't make an attractive character because the sliders are extremely limited, and even if you could, the graphics look so simplistic and infantile in comparison to something like, say, Baldur's Gate 3.

My thoughts too. Doing it after shows they had zero marketing brains. But the fact you can't make beautiful people because their slider stops at extreme where the average should be?
That's peak trash.