Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[MirnaMinkoff]

Kind of. In pictures of them together, Greta looks terribly pleased with himself, but Nina's face...maybe I'm projecting, but he sometimes looks a little scared to me. Or overwhelmed. Or something.

Even love would have a hard time overcoming how terrifying Greta looks.

I have little doubt that a large factor contributing to Nina being with Greta was the need of a greencard. Once Nina's work visa was expired she was basically fucked in regards to staying in the USA. The marriage to Greta was the only way she could have a legal way to stay here. (And how many people want to marry a fat Indian troon. Nina's options were very limited in the marriage pool.)

Greta could use this a some serious leverage against Nina. Nina would have to ensure she kept Greta perfectly happy and satisfied until she had that greencard in her hand. Funny that instead of pursuing the green card diligently for the past two years instead Greta fucked around and made excuses, that had to make Nina angry but what could she do?

I wonder if Greta delaying and lying about the documentation needed for the green card was about keeping Nina in her control. Once you get that 10 year greencard - you're safe - even a divorce won't change it. (Because USCIS sees plenty of marriages that go down the shitter after a greencard and the citizen spouse tries to get revenge by getting their ex deported. So once you get the green card the matter is settled, you are legal in the USA regardless of what happens to the marriage after that.)

Given what we know about Greta's past relationships, her bullying and the fact she depends on Nina to run the backend stuff at TLL, I'm thinking keeping her illegal/ dependent might have been her plan. Nina being legal and no longer reliant on Greta was dangerous to Greta's scam.
As it stands Nina still needs Greta to keep that sweet money rolling in to fund her asylum claim - and since it's a very long process it will keep Nina beholden to TLL to pay for her attorney for a long time. I have no doubt if Nina tried to leave Greta that Greta would fuck her over royally and refuse to give her one red cent for attorney fees, probably even have a whisper campaign to destroy her relationships and any support Nina might have in troonville.

 

[repentance]

No I agree, they seem to be a legit couple. But you gotta question Greta's actual commitment to the relationship if she's now refusing to do what's necessary to make it truly legal and legit marriage rather than make Nina go through the hell of defensive asylum.

I mean that's a real WTF is going on in Greta's past. Just get a divorce (if needed) and marry Nina, then Nina has a easy pathway to a greencard but instead she's royally fucking Nina by refusing to do that.

One thing I thought is maybe they are just using it as a excuse to fundraise, make sure immigration doesn't fuck with them. If you would indicate you just tried to claim asylum to buy time to get married, that wouldn't make ICE very happy and they could go after you for fraud. So maybe they are just sticking to the asylum claim because it's an excellent money spinner/don't want to get fraud charges and two months from now they will get married and tell everyone they used the asylum money raised for a troon honeymoon and your a transphobes if you complain!

However, even if that's the plan they still need to pay a lawyer thousands to ensure they buy time with the asylum bid while trying to get legal via marraige - and will need the lawyer to get them through that process correctly because they've shown they are incapable of doing it. Even if they got married tomorrow (and given the complexities in their situation now) I would estimate two years before Nina would get a greencard via the marriage route - if they are lucky.

If letting your visa expire is an oopsie you can fix by getting married after the fact, then I can see why it's something people mightn't bother with until and unless they run into hassles with ICE.

USCIS deals with serial marriage people, there is a whole underground industry of immigrants paying approximately $10,000 for a marriage to a US citizen or even friends marrying the person as a favor. With this in mind their fist step is documenting that the marriage is legal and examining the marriage history of the US citizen. If they can't pony up the documentation to prove the marriage is even legal/valid USCIS doesn't have to waste anymore of their time and deny it right there, if they can prove the marriage is legal then it's on to the next step of having to prove the marriage is genuine and not an arrangement for money or anything other than a love match.

A Sikh friend of mine used to arrange such marriages for Indian students. It was always organised well in advance of their visas expiring so that by the time they finished their degree they could quietly divorce with no issues.

Like Nina, they knew from the moment they arrived as students that being allowed to stay long term depended on finding a citizen partner.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

If letting your visa expire is an oopsie you can fix by getting married after the fact, then I can see why it's something people mightn't bother with until and unless they run into hassles with ICE.

Well, because they will be deported.

Keep in mind, Nina would have been deported when ICE got her irregardless of marriage. The only reason she is out right now is the asylum claim - not marriage - marriage does not save you from being detained and deported. You will be deported if you are nabbed by ICE and don't have a valid visa, pending I-130 or green card, even if you are married.

Marriage itself doesn't make you safe or protect you from deportation, only applying and getting a green card does. Nina would have never been eligible for bond by claiming "I'm married" - that doesn't cut it. The only route she had to getting bond was claiming asylum, because it was the only route to legality left to her once she was in ICE custody. A marriage to a citizen means nothing until you apply to USCIS for a green card and jump through those hoops.

Also, if you let your visa expire, get married and put in your I-130 (green card application) USCIS is going to scrutinize the marriage a lot harder than they normally would. Some people fear even sending in the application if they are illegal (but married) because it alerts the system to their illegality and their current address. If the application isn't accepted or denied (and that happens a lot due to little mistakes in filling it out) ICE can pay a visit.

Also, being illegal and then getting married is a big red flag and it not only will the review be far more intense but it will take a lot longer and require a lot more input. You are pretty much in constant danger of detention and deportation until you have a legally "pending" I-130 application in the system or your green card.

 

[keksz]

I wonder if Greta delaying and lying about the documentation needed for the green card was about keeping Nina in her control

I'm not very fast to agree with this in the figurative sense that Greta is actively dressed like a cartoon villain and screeching "you'll never get your greencard, you'll be mine forever!" But I can certainly see that she'd put up an attempt to get everything right with Nina's papers and after getting into a minor bump (the marriage/death certificate thing) he'd just subconsciously tell himself "oh my that's too much work now and if Nino gets his greencard he is going to leave me forever poor me reeee" and not follow up on it.

Anyway, can't say I relate very much with Greta's state of mind so who knows, maybe he is indeed doing all of this as part of a deliberate plan, like a true psychopath. All I know for sure is there's something very fishy going on if Nino thought that they were married but suddenly it shows up that they weren't, legally. He must have been pissed off at Kjel, but as you say there's really nothing he can do but smile and serve the master so he doesn't get definitively thrown back to his "patriarchal", "noninclusive" culture in India - which of course he probably internalizes as "oh well I love Greta the ogre so much anyway that I don't even care if he made a honest mistake, poor babby".

I don't mean to be misogynistic here because this apply to men just as much, so forgive me if I put it like this: this is exactly the sorts of mental gymnastics that some of the shallower, non-self-aware woman work with on a daily basis. Then something seemingly unrelated changes (like Nino finally getting a greencard) and their entire outlook on the relationship goes 180° and now they hate "that abusive, no-good husband of mine" and there's a non-immediate but fast-escalating breakup because they "just can't put up with him anymore" due to seemingly irrelevant things. After the fact they can't even explain to themselves in their head what is it that happened to make them change their mind, even though it's obvious to anyone who can see past their self-serving white lies.

The fact is that no one likes to think of themselves as evil or manipulative - so there's always a narrative to mask the fact that Greta would be putting Nino in legal danger as a way to maintain his control over him or that Nino will tell himself in order to not admit he's with Greta only because it's his only hope of not being deported at the moment. But if somehow circumstances change, these narratives will be as strong to hold the relationship together as a wet piece of toiler paper being pulled apart by two semi-trucks.

Something to think about considering how many times Greta has been divorced and apparently doesn't even visit his children anymore. Some powerful narratives in there - none the less that of becoming a transwoman in his middle years.

 

[Jaimas]

This is one reason I despise them. I revile this needless fostering of terror and mistrust that they and others are perpetrating. A fair number of trans activists do this, and the result is they're helping to keep themselves emotionally unwell. Discrimination in less severe forms is quite high for them, but hate violence and wanton discrimination by police or doctors is pretty unusual. Most really don't care enough to fight them over it, and that's applicable to virtually every other scenario. People inherently dislike causing suffering and conflict directly in someone's face.

I hate being that guy, but I'm gonna stab right into why this keeps happening.

Greta and the bulk of her trans activist buddies are not trans. They've never got anything remotely resembling a dysphoria diagnosis, nor has pretty much anyone they employ. They are ascended fetishist in the same category as Mark Boyd and Jake Alley, with the only difference being that Nina and Greta actually had the money to get SRS.

Because of this, Nina and Greta belong to the same odious class of transtrender that care more about identity politics than the people they claim to support. You will see them constantly screaming about the same fucking refrains of how they're ever so oppressed, trans people commit suicide at such a high rate, are always the victims of violence, etc, all while backing people who are as legitimately transgendered as ADF, launching into long-winded attacks on how none of their problems are their own fault, and of course, using their oppressed status as an excuse to hurt people, then claim they're justified because they're "fighting back."

At their core, Greta and her backers are egomaniacal shitheads who use their position solely so they can abuse other people and feel morally superior to others.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I hate being that guy, but I'm gonna stab right into why this keeps happening.

Greta and the bulk of her trans activist buddies are not trans. They've never got anything remotely resembling a dysphoria diagnosis, nor has pretty much anyone they employ. They are ascended fetishist in the same category as Mark Boyd and Jake Alley, with the only difference being that Nina and Greta actually had the money to get SRS.

In Greta's case, I think it's pretty clear that long before she went troon, there was something wrong there. What we know of her history suggests someone who's really not happy with herself, and going troon is just another reinvention. Identity politics and oppression are great, because it gives her an out. That is, "It's not me that's wrong, it's the transphobic world." In her narrative, people hate her for being trans, not because she's a petulant egotistical loudmouth who leaves a trail of destruction in her wake.

As for the relationship with Nina, I think it is genuine, with the proviso that it's as genuine as a narcissist gets in their relationships. With that narcissism in mind, my theory as to why they didn't sort the green card out was because Greta thought "It can't happen to us, because I'm special."

 

[repentance]

In Greta's case, I think it's pretty clear that long before she went troon, there was something wrong there. What we know of her history suggests someone who's really not happy with herself, and going troon is just another reinvention. Identity politics and oppression are great, because it gives her an out. That is, "It's not me that's wrong, it's the transphobic world." In her narrative, people hate her for being trans, not because she's a petulant egotistical loudmouth who leaves a trail of destruction in her wake.

While that's true, there's really nothing which foreshadowed it. Yes, Greta's life was unstable in some ways. Yes, Greta had issues with substance abuse from time to time. But Greta's life as reflected in her internet presence was pretty boring. Political comments may have been left-leaning, but they were few and far between. She certainly wasn't bombarding people with SJW dogma.

Meeting Nina seems to have been the tipping point. Some people buy sports cars during their mid-life crisis. Greta trooned out.

 

[repentance]

Trump doesn't need to round up all the troons and put them in camps. Greta's going to do it.

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Have fun with your police-free commune of troons who have no income and no life skills, Greta.

Mass suicide when?

 

[Null]

Trump doesn't need to round up all the troons and put them in camps. Greta's going to do it.

And Greta will call it Gustavaville and there will be a lot of koolaid.

 

[GS 281]

Trump doesn't need to round up all the troons and put them in camps. Greta's going to do it.

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Have fun with your police-free commune of troons who have no income and no life skills, Greta.

Mass suicide when?

jesus christ, Greta really is an idiot.

 

[AnOminous]

I hate being that guy, but I'm gonna stab right into why this keeps happening.

Greta and the bulk of her trans activist buddies are not trans. They've never got anything remotely resembling a dysphoria diagnosis, nor has pretty much anyone they employ. They are ascended fetishist in the same category as Mark Boyd and Jake Alley, with the only difference being that Nina and Greta actually had the money to get SRS.

Actually getting SRS is an incredibly drastic step and not something someone does just to posture.

I'm pretty sure most people who perform such an act of violence on their bodies are actually sincere about their gender identity. Because otherwise, why would you actually get castrated and turn your cock inside out?

 

[MysteriousStranger]

Holy shit -- a tranny underground railroad? I panic bag? One minute, women with penises aren't allowed in the ladies room, the next minute Trump's gonna round them all up and execute them?

Chickens have more sense than troons.

 

[Deez Nuts]

Countdown for the fundraiser for the underground tranny railroad! Asilo claim on it's own won't raise enough vacation money.

 

[repentance]

jesus christ, Greta really is an idiot.

I'm not even going to criticise the idea because I want it to happen and not get abandoned because people point out the flaws. It will be a glorious clusterfuck.

It does say a lot about her followers that no-one is pointing out the glaring flaws, though.

 

[Jaimas]

Actually getting SRS is an incredibly drastic step and not something someone does just to posture.

I'm pretty sure most people who perform such an act of violence on their bodies are actually sincere about their gender identity. Because otherwise, why would you actually get castrated and turn your cock inside out?

Because Greta and company are bizarre sexual deviants who clearly are out of their fucking minds?

 

[cowisnow]

Actually getting SRS is an incredibly drastic step and not something someone does just to posture.

I'm pretty sure most people who perform such an act of violence on their bodies are actually sincere about their gender identity. Because otherwise, why would you actually get castrated and turn your cock inside out?

Yes, it's a very drastic step. However it's not as black & white as it seems. Some people with legitimate transgender/gender dysphoria diagnoses do not opt for SRS because 1) financial issues 2) other medical issues that make surgery like this dangerous 3) logistical concerns such as time off work/travel to the site.

And then there's the issue of that life-time dilation thing. Can you imagine what a mindfuck that is - you gotta stick plastic utensils up there for the rest of your life? Good way to fuck with your head that this thing is totally fake.

That's basically what I've seen one person say repeatedly on Facebook. *shrug*

Edit: Of course there's always nut removal. Which is just as irreversible.

 

[Jaded Optimist]

Because Greta and company are bizarre sexual deviants who clearly are out of their fucking minds?

I agree. Look at Pauly Unstoppable (now Farrah f'n flawless). They were mutilating their genitals long before they had SRS in the name of "body modification" which can be considered a fetish. The fact that they now have "transistioned" doesn't make them any less of a transtrender.
Plenty of people render their genitals useless in the name of their fetish, Greta and Nina can at least still have sex unlike "Nullos" or guys who inject copious amounts of silicone into their dick (Google at you own risk). The fact that Greta can use it for financial gain is just a plus.

 

[m0rnutz]

And Greta will call it Gustavaville and there will be a lot of koolaid.

If you try to leave, Greta will send Phil and a baseball bat to chase you off the toilet.

 

[4Macie]

I feel like they're making the situation more dire than it really is. At no point has Greta or Phil been assaulted because of their trans-ness. They have never even been discriminated against because of their trans-status. All the problems they bring up are MADE UP.

Are they starting to believe their own lies now?? So much so that they are scaring themselves?

If you try to leave, Greta will send Phil and a baseball bat to chase you off the toilet.

This 100%. Anyone who joins Greta's "trans-community tent area" will have to follow Greta's rule, and if anyone tried to do otherwise (or god forbid leave for a better life) Greta would have a fit and tell everyone to hate them.

 

[repentance]

At no point has Greta or Phil been assaulted because of their trans-ness. They have never even been discriminated against because of their trans-status. All the problems they bring up are MADE UP.

Greta claims to have had her teeth broken because she's trans and to have been unable to find work after trooning out.

However, even if Trump's first directive on assuming office was for various agencies to round up all the illegals, it would take many months to put the structure in place to be able to do it. Lack of resources is why only those illegal immigrants who've committed serious crimes are actively searched for at the moment.

And before such a directive was carried out, a "leave or else" ultimatum would be given. It's both cheaper and easier to get as many people as possible to leave of their own volition than to expend unnecessary resources trying to take them all into custody and deport them.