Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Melmac_Knight]

What's the purpose of them destroying Ukrainian cities that they wish to annex? Will they just send a bunch of Russians to "colonise" them again, as they did with Crimea?

That cunt in the UN video, makes me MATI.

so there are no better cities in Ruzzia than Moscow and St Petersburg

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Ukrainian Mi-8 shoots down a Shaheds:

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Decrease in Russian glide bomb attacks recently:

 

[Thomas Talus]

Decrease in Russian glide bomb attacks recently:
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"Worse! They're out of bullets!"

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Thank you, fren, for reporting back on this clownshow for the rest of us. I did see the part in the preview video where Tucker talked about Americans firing into Russian territory and wondered what the fuck he was on about. His logic really is that there's something super complicated about the ATACMS system that the bumkin Ukrainians, who can fly MiGs and operate S-300s and developed a homegrown attack drone industry practically overnight, are just too stupid to figure out? Holy shit, has this guy had a head injury or something?

From your summary it sounds like there were places where Lavrov himself had to reel in Tucker's retardation. Like of course there are still communication channels between Russia and the US, holy shit. Those things almost never disappear completely even when countries are at hot war with each other, even if they have to use an intermediary third party, because both sides are still going to want to arrange prisoner exchanges, propose ceasefires, and all the other sorts of things that countries at war do with each other. Wonder how Tucker got that idea - I'm sure the logic is just as simplistic and dumb as the above.

Just like Coach Red Pill and MTG, the war really has turned this once semi-respectable guy into a full retard, and one has to wonder if some sort of change happened to them, or if they were a retard all along, cleverly concealed under a thin veneer of respectability and sensibility that fooled all of us - well, fooled me at least.

This War is the ultimate Litmus test for Politics. Do you actually have convictions and beliefs, or are you just a terminally contrarian "Against le current thing" retard?

 

[cypocryphy]

To the dumbshit neocons who are buying what Carlson's selling hook, line, and sinker, let me ask this: how many of them have or know someone who has had an "I'm not FONDA Hanoi Jane" bumper sticker?

There wasn't any terminally online contrarians back then.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Explain Generalplan Ost then.

If I'm keeping the butterfly from flapping it's wings too much. I going with win war first, do a heavily revised Generalplan Ost and etc. afterwards or if at all. Since one of the key components of not murder-fucking every slav encountered is to keep FDR from getting the United States into the war and saving his Stalin senpai.

 

[Snekposter]

If I'm keeping the butterfly from flapping it's wings too much. I going with win war first, do a heavily revised Generalplan Ost and etc. afterwards or if at all. Since one of the key components of not murder-fucking every slav encountered is to keep FDR from getting the United States into the war and saving his Stalin senpai.

Or... you can always just use the locals as cannon fodder against the Red Army, trusting in their natural Slav instincts of murderous hatred towards other Slavs to ensure they die in job lots, and then when the Slavs have killed each other for you and the fighting is over with mop up both.

 

[No. 7 cat]

If I'm keeping the butterfly from flapping it's wings too much. I going with win war first, do a heavily revised Generalplan Ost and etc. afterwards or if at all. Since one of the key components of not murder-fucking every slav encountered is to keep FDR from getting the United States into the war and saving his Stalin senpai.

A near successful Barbarossa would've seen FDR go pretext hunting for declaring war on Germany.

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/naval-drones-hit-russian-targets-in-crimea-1733557191.html

Basically surveillance equipment on gas platforms in temporarily occupied equipment was hit by UAVs.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Or... you can always just use the locals as cannon fodder against the Red Army, trusting in their natural Slav instincts of murderous hatred towards other Slavs to ensure they die in job lots, and then when the Slavs have killed each other for you and the fighting is over with mop up both.

Having them as willing cannon fodder always been the main point of this scenario just due to not having manpower in real life. Secondly it's more fun to stay in character and be the lesser of two evils. Instead of being out of character right off the bat by being the good guy.

A near successful Barbarossa would've seen FDR go pretext hunting for declaring war on Germany.

Not really different from real life as FDR had gone pretext hunting and outright baiting. Which got the Japanese to bite at Pearl Harbor and the autistic Austrian Painter just had to show solidarity of getting Germany to declare war too.

 

[Clownish]

Ziggers are having a meltdown because Syria is falling.

 

[Prester John]

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Ziggers are having a meltdown because Syria is falling.

Syria falling is indeed a sign that Russia's resources are being stretched to the limit.

I think this would be a great time to topple the Venezuela regime for the same reason. The strings to Russia's puppets have been severed.

 

[No. 7 cat]

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Ziggers are having a meltdown because Syria is falling.

This is sort of Feline Supremacist level shit, but I doubt xir has an actual connection to the 'SMO'. It does seem that Assad is now a loser that Putin dropped. Everyone probably saw how Trump greeted Zelensky in the restored Notre Dame, but this might help Putin in that he can concentrate on Ukraine. It does possible complicate dodgy Wagner / African Expeditionary contacts with Sudan (gold from RSF and guns back) and West Africa (where RF did cultivate an array of la Francophonie clients basically stolen from France and where HUR has done some stuff as it did in Sudan). However for Trump Putin might be looking a bit of a loser now. Syria was a very longterm Soviet client which ensured Med access and a flanking of NATO. It is surely more crucial than, say, Georgia.

Not really different from real life as FDR had gone pretext hunting and outright baiting. Which got the Japanese to bite at Pearl Harbor and the autistic Austrian Painter just had to show solidarity of getting Germany to declare war too.

If Hitler had left Japan in the lurch, FDR would've had something staged something either on the lines of Tonkin Bay or USS Maine or Lusitania. The gold grabber was going to save the USSR and the UK, rules be damned.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Trump met Zelensky at the re-sanctification of Notre Dame de Paris.



I dunno Zisters, this doesn't look like Trump is about to truss Ukraine up like a Turkey for Russia.

 

[Snekposter]

I am legitimately unsure what to make of something this delusional. Weird attempt at cope by claiming what's going on in Syria is Ukraine's doing, I suppose.

 

[Ego]

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I am legitimately unsure what to make of something this delusional. Weird attempt at cope by claiming what's going on in Syria is Ukraine's doing, I suppose.

Reminder this is the 50 IQ turbonigger who legitimately thinks only nukes can cause mushroom clouds and that Ukraine has been nuking poor defenseless russia for the past three years. He is a zigger who makes all of us look like Putin shills with the amount of glaze he will give Ukraine's capabilities.

 

[mindlessobserver]

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I am legitimately unsure what to make of something this delusional. Weird attempt at cope by claiming what's going on in Syria is Ukraine's doing, I suppose.

Not entirely. The song "March of the New Army" sets out the Ukrainian national vision hard.

The line "San to Karabakh" is operative. Ukraine claims the Caucasus as it's patrimony, and counts Armenia and Georgia as fraternal nations.

Sadly the Mongol horde stands in the way.

Ukraine is very active in undermining Russian efforts across the Caucasus, the middle east and Africa. Part of this is middle finger efforts but the other part is genuine empire building. The Ukrainians are not going backwards

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

I am legitimately unsure what to make of something this delusional. Weird attempt at cope by claiming what's going on in Syria is Ukraine's doing, I suppose.

I keep seeing this guy around, and I keep wondering why hasn't he just killed himself yet Jesus

 

[MG-34]

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I am legitimately unsure what to make of something this delusional. Weird attempt at cope by claiming what's going on in Syria is Ukraine's doing, I suppose.

Out: Zionist Occupied goverment (ZOG)
In: Banderaite Occupied Goverment (BOG[danov])

 

[Ghostse]

What's the purpose of them destroying Ukrainian cities that they wish to annex? Will they just send a bunch of Russians to "colonise" them again, as they did with Crimea?

"If we can't have it, no one can".

Decrease in Russian glide bomb attacks recently:
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Ammo dump getting BTFU and now Russia has to move their aircraft at least 200 miles back from the front or risk getting ATACMs.

It does seem that Assad is now a loser that Putin dropped. Everyone probably saw how Trump greeted Zelensky in the restored Notre Dame, but this might help Putin in that he can concentrate on Ukraine.
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Syria was a very longterm Soviet client which ensured Med access and a flanking of NATO. It is surely more crucial than, say, Georgia.

tl;dr: Russia has been pulling assets from Syria since at least 2023 to try to fill gaps in their needs in Ukraine.
Focusing solely on Russia, in the very short term, this is a boost for Russia. Their airwings will be recalled and they won't be wasting resources trying to keep Assad from collapsing. But its a very minor gain - Russian forces in Syria were largely Syrian (or other TCNs) and its unlikely they will be exfiled to Ukraine. Erdog is almost certainly going to deny the Russian ships the Bosporus, and the Baltic is now a NATO bathtub, so they will need to send them to the pacific or hope the icepack is thin enough to send them to Ostrovnoy.
Its almost more likely they'll send them to Cuba incase the CIA starts getting ideas.

In the long term, this is crushing for Russia. Forgetting about loss of prestige and more evidence that Russia is Fake and Gay, This removes their primary "fell off the back of a truck" way of exchanging materiel with Iran. It will make flights to their new African holdings more expensive - something that might become more important now that everyone is taking note of how Assad collapsed in about two weeks.

Operation Barbarossa like rest of the German invasion of Russia lies one of the greatest unanswered "what ifs" in WWII history. That "what if" the Germans had got a clue when they were initially treated as liberators by everyone who had been brutalized by their Soviet overlords. Since the discussions of this have been verboten every where online and offline, it seems to be the one possible way for Germany to not lose WWII. As all other remotely viable options with the United States in the war just mean Germany will be the one to get nuked first instead of Japan.

Having them as willing cannon fodder always been the main point of this scenario just due to not having manpower in real life. Secondly it's more fun to stay in character and be the lesser of two evils. Instead of being out of character right off the bat by being the good guy.


Not really different from real life as FDR had gone pretext hunting and outright baiting. Which got the Japanese to bite at Pearl Harbor and the autistic Austrian Painter just had to show solidarity of getting Germany to declare war too.

This ignores German's vast food shortage, and one of the reasons they become unpopular was taking grain to feed Germany.

But Albert Speer talks about how immediately after taking Ukraine, no occupation force was needed until they fucked that up with Aryan Nationalism.

The only way this really changes the equation is - if we ignore Germany's food shortage - if Stalin had abandoned Moscow and Hitler has offered terms. Until the very end of the war Germany didn't suffer from a lack of troops, it suffered from a lack of ability to keep them supplied.
If they had kept the Slavic SSRs friendly, it might have slowed down the Soviet advance and have seen the allies get to Berlin first. But for that to really matter Patton needs to have not gotten Jeep'd.

The only scenario that sees the Third Reich as anything other than a force destined to implode under is own weight is the Germans win in Stalingrad. This allows Germany to isolate the Caucases, cross the Caspian, liberate the Axis-sympathetic Elder Shah and fix their oil supply problem.

 

[BradeRunna]

From everything I have heard about Syria in the past few hours it sounds like the Russians have lost their naval port in Syria. It was Crimea of the Syrian port. Can't have it all.