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[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The Morrowind discussion reveals something - people only care about the things that they know, use, or enjoy. And for almost everyone, that could fit in an area roughly the size of a Morrowind or WoW town, a few Disneylands or so.

Everything else is ancillary. It’s obvious in games where they just abstract it all away and only have the things needed for the game, but it’s true in real life, also.

For most people, most of even a smaller town is “unknown and unnecessary”.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

With all these dead store fronts now's the perfect time to open shop and prove all these car loving chuds a lesson.

The best part is once they have a successful business me and my friends can burn it to the ground or otherwise enact a version of Kristallnacht and then just tell them "insurance, bro".

 

[Yamamura]

Everything else is ancillary. It’s obvious in games where they just abstract it all away and only have the things needed for the game, but it’s true in real life, also.

I've looked more into this "urbanism in games/media" thing and I've found it to be bigger than I originally expected. It seems like as you said they just go after media where the public transport aspect is an after thought, so the result is either it's really good because it's basically a glorified teleportation system or it's under constructed because it's a game focused on stealing cars.

I'm not sure if the appeal of these videos is trying to make a larger point or that the whole joke is "haha look I'm being hyper autistic and critical about a fictional location that is obviously a joke like Spongebob" like the guy who reviews water textures in games.

I'm just waiting on them to do an analysis on the urbanism of CWCville

 

[Beautiful Border]

"A car park in front of a nearly 700 year old castle....."

WTF are these people complaining about? I've been to the town this is in (Caernarfon) many times. I know the area well. Well enough to know that if you tried to put a car park basically anywhere else there, you'd have to demolish a large amount of housing and mixed-use development (exactly the kind of city planning urbanists love). The castle is the biggest tourist attraction in Caernarfon by far. Having the car park be right next to the castle is convenient both for tourists and for the local residents.

What's the alternative, other than taking a wrecking ball to the town like some sort of Welsh Robert Moses? Having tourists clogging up residential and commercial streets that really aren't designed for that level of curbside parking. Traffic in Caernarfon would be utterly nightmarish without that car park. No one in this thread has any clue what they're talking about, they're not taking into consideration anything about the local area, they're just seeing "car park next to a medieval castle" and drawing their hackles up.

 

[DavidS877]

"A car park in front of a nearly 700 year old castle....."

WTF are these people complaining about? I've been to the town this is in (Caernarfon) many times. I know the area well. Well enough to know that if you tried to put a car park basically anywhere else there, you'd have to demolish a large amount of housing and mixed-use development (exactly the kind of city planning urbanists love). The castle is the biggest tourist attraction in Caernarfon by far. Having the car park be right next to the castle is convenient both for tourists and for the local residents.

What's the alternative, other than taking a wrecking ball to the town like some sort of Welsh Robert Moses? Having tourists clogging up residential and commercial streets that really aren't designed for that level of curbside parking. Traffic in Caernarfon would be utterly nightmarish without that car park. No one in this thread has any clue what they're talking about, they're not taking into consideration anything about the local area, they're just seeing "car park next to a medieval castle" and drawing their hackles up.

Not to mention, is costs about £5 to even park there.

But don't these people WANT car users to pay their fair share?

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

"A car park in front of a nearly 700 year old castle....."

WTF are these people complaining about? I've been to the town this is in (Caernarfon) many times. I know the area well. Well enough to know that if you tried to put a car park basically anywhere else there, you'd have to demolish a large amount of housing and mixed-use development (exactly the kind of city planning urbanists love). The castle is the biggest tourist attraction in Caernarfon by far. Having the car park be right next to the castle is convenient both for tourists and for the local residents.

What's the alternative, other than taking a wrecking ball to the town like some sort of Welsh Robert Moses? Having tourists clogging up residential and commercial streets that really aren't designed for that level of curbside parking. Traffic in Caernarfon would be utterly nightmarish without that car park. No one in this thread has any clue what they're talking about, they're not taking into consideration anything about the local area, they're just seeing "car park next to a medieval castle" and drawing their hackles up.

what makes it even more idiotic is that the car park is located on a disused part of the harbour that would otherwise be waste land; if you're going to build a car park in a small, very hilly 2,000 year old town, a large flat area in a non-residential district is the best place to put it by far

 

[DavidS877]

I love these people so much.

ONE OF THE WORLD’S WIDEST HIGHWAYS, Katy Freeway in Houston, TX, was widened in 2008 to as many as 26 total lanes. Each lane can carry around 1,500 people per hour, on average, much less during peak traffic hours.
In Japan, at peak times, 16 Shinkansen Bullet Trains can run per hour in each direction with 16 cars each (1,323-seat capacity and occasionally additional standing passengers) with a minimum headway of three minutes between trains.
A double track High-Speed Rail line uses the same land as a two lane farm road and can handle the capacity of passengers as a 16 lane highway!

Right, your 16 bullet trains are going to stop every mile to let people on and off the train.
This is an urban freeway with exits.

 

[McSneaks]

Also "uses the same land" and "has the same costs" aren't remotely the same thing. Putting in a fucking elevated train systems of any length costs BILLIONS above a fucking highway, but I guess when you're a hippy dippy costs aren't irrelevant because you aren't paying anything anyway

 

[quaawaa]

I love these people so much.
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Right, your 16 bullet trains are going to stop every mile to let people on and off the train.
This is an urban freeway with exits.

The width thing also isn't true, at least in the cities.

Japan's railroads are extremely wide, at points wider than any highway in the world. They get especially wide around sidings and stations:





Saying that the Shinkansen track is narrow by looking at its width in the middle of nowhere is the equivalent of claiming that the Katy Freeway is only four lanes wide because that's how wide the express lanes (and the highway outside of the urban area) are. Many of those tracks in the pictures are for local trains, but the urbanist included local freeway and service road lanes to get their "26 LANE WIDE HIGHWAY!!!", so it's a fair comparison.

Look at this nice narrow highway in Houston:




By the way, airplanes transport way more people and take up ZERO land outside of the "station". They're infinitely better (mathematically) than trains!

 

[unaboomer]

> Urbanist rag repeating le Katy highway meme again

So tiresome

 

[Yamamura]

But don't these people WANT car users to pay their fair share?

As I've said before these people's goals are confusing and arbitrary. What I've been going off of lately is that they mostly they just run off of spite. They have no fixed beliefs it's all just in spite.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I've looked more into this "urbanism in games/media" thing and I've found it to be bigger than I originally expected. It seems like as you said they just go after media where the public transport aspect is an after thought, so the result is either it's really good because it's basically a glorified teleportation system or it's under constructed because it's a game focused on stealing cars.

I'm not sure if the appeal of these videos is trying to make a larger point or that the whole joke is "haha look I'm being hyper autistic and critical about a fictional location that is obviously a joke like Spongebob" like the guy who reviews water textures in games.

I'm just waiting on them to do an analysis on the urbanism of CWCville

I always assume that video game cities (including SimCity) are just abstractions of what they'd like in real life. Like in Pokémon Gold and Silver, Goldenrod City consists of a rail station, a radio station, a department store/underground concourse, and a few other buildings, plus a variety of 2x2 tile buildings you can't enter. However, it's taken to mean that it's a big, bustling city with all the transportation, services, logistics, and residential to make it work. GTA V's entire map is about 30 square miles, but the City of Los Angeles (not counting the Pacific Ocean, the other cities in the greater LA area, or state parks/natural areas, all of which GTA V is supposed to represent) is about 500 square miles.

Only an autist would find a 1:1 game actually fun, but at least could work in theory. You can't have a scaled-down, abstracted city in real life. It just doesn't work, period.

 

[Meriasek]

Tokyo is too suburban and needs more bike lanes:

Tokyo metro is too full, must be because it's too suburban, more people should live in the inner city, surely that will fix the issue.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Right, your 16 bullet trains are going to stop every mile to let people on and off the train.
This is an urban freeway with exits.

Plus the way the Katy Freeway is it's part of a bigger system, not even the Interstate Highway System or roads in general, how one can go from their own house to a freeway, it's Interstate 10. Where does that end? To the west, is it California, where I-10 terminates at 4th Street? Or is it where it continues as California Highway 1 and end at Oxnard? Or California 1 continuing as Santa Clara Avenue and ending as White Sage Road in Moorpark? Or does it end much sooner? In San Antonio, where you have to exit to continue on Interstate 10 West proper? Or following the same highway due west in Del Rio? In Ciudad Areño? Outside Harris County? Where the mid-2000s Katy Freeway project stopped? Where it drops back to two lanes? Where it is no longer at its widest point?

Or to the east? At 610, where any improvements post-2000 have been minor? Where it is no longer is called Katy Freeway at the I-45 junction? At the eastern end of Harris County? Where the highway splits down to New Orleans? Jacksonville, Florida, where I-10 officially ends at I-95? There are a set of defined, unambiguous points where the Shinkansen lines begin and end.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Why do small business owners not like it when we make it difficult for customers to patronize their businesses?

They really are just SimCity-brained. In SimCity, construction is instant and obviously it isn't in real life. But these fags still think that construction will only take 3 weeks rather than 2 years. Only somebody who gets their beliefs from playing SimCity would think that construction should "just" take 3 weeks.

 

[quaawaa]

@Atypical Dog congrats on your honorary American citizenship!



This guy is really mad that Filipinos admire the United States:




Why is everyone all around the world carbrained?!?!?:




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[Sexy Peach Emoji]

@Atypical Dog congrats on your honorary American citizenship!
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This guy is really mad that Filipinos admire the United States:
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Why is everyone all around the world carbrained?!?!?:
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Only poor people don't have the choice to use public transit. It's a fine distinction, but it's there.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

They really are just SimCity-brained. In SimCity, construction is instant and obviously it isn't in real life. But these fags still think that construction will only take 3 weeks rather than 2 years. Only somebody who gets their beliefs from playing SimCity would think that construction should "just" take 3 weeks.

And that's not counting the long legal/political battles over getting the land, funding, and permits. The California HSR has been under construction for how many years now?

 

[Yamamura]

Why is everyone all around the world carbrained?!?!?:

I like to think that the desire to drive a car transcends race, ethnicity and nationality to the point where even rats like driving small cars. That the final form in the evolution of transport is the car.


Bwhahaha fucking cope

 

[quaawaa]

even rats like driving small cars.

They definitely do:

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