Megathread Jesse Singal Derangement Syndrome - jsingal69 vs TroonWorld

[Dick Johnson]

That's a lofty and inspiring soliloquy about the capacity of the human mind for innovation and invention. But note the absence of any specific proposed treatments for pedos that actually work right now.


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If anyone wanted that to happen, it would have happened decades ago. There is more money and power in the path that was followed instead.

You are correct. Not being a medical professional from the future, I do not have secret knowledge that I can use to enact practical changes in technique and technology. I also can't tell you how to design a rocket engine for a V2, but I know that someone came up with one and then it was iterated on, learning and improving on the concept. To say that no one will ever fully understand this aspect of human behavior is short-sighted. I mean, what's the alternative, throw up our hands and yell 'Jesus take the wheel' on the subject? Human brains are machines, human development is a process. And with sufficient tools and study both can be understood. It won't be today or tomorrow, but eventually.

I've never heard of pimozide. If it was being tested in the mid 90's, I'm guessing that it didn't go anywhere because it either wasn't reliably repeatable or that it had too many side effects. If it were today, I'd easily believe that gender ideology could smother studying it but I have a hard time believing that it would have quashed it nearly 30 years ago. I also have a hard time believing that any company/cabal of companies would come up with an idea as goofy as 'spend decades normalizing trans stuff to the point where it's in elementary schools and three and a half percent of kids (more if we can!) will be lifetime customers for hormones'.

 

[Marvin]

Just for fun... https://bsky.app/search?q=jesse+singal

God, I'm so jealous of Jesse right now. I wish I had a tenth of the hate from troons that Jesse does.

Accordingly he thinks its better if there is space where people like that are monitored and assessed by professionals where they can safely make it known what their urges are and policies and resources exist to contain it before anything happens.

Theoretically, I agree with Jesse but in practice, these spaces often get mismanaged and end up just introducing pedos to each other to engage in more horrifying, demonic rape of children.

Like B4U-Act is supposed to be a "good pedo wanting treatment" group. It was founded by a convicted pedo and supposed to be supervised by shrinks. In practice, it just became a nest of pedos swapping CP and other degeneracy. The only shrinks who get involved in supervising these groups are bleeding heart eggheads completely engrossed in the sympathetic, academic study of pedos, to the point they forget about the bigger picture. Navel gazing at its finest.

It's like an alcoholics group, except when the session organizer turns his back, someone's handing out shots.

I don't have much confidence we'll be able to treat pedophilia without shrinks fucking the attempt up like that.

If you think you're gonna diddle kids but you're horrified by this and don't want to hurt anyone, sorry, that sucks. I don't know what to tell you other than to 41% yourself. Idk, join a monastery? Join the navy and get into a submarine unit?

 

[TheNazgulKing]

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Probably this too, in addition to what Not Dr Evil mentioned.

Pedophilia is a paraphilia, or, as laymen call it, a "fetish." Saying that some people are born with the desire to fuck kids is like saying some people are born with the desire to jerk off in Size 7 red patent leather pumps with 3-inch heels. A significant chunk of pedos are reliving their own childhood grooming and abuse. Others had something else trip a switch in their heads that made them obsess over sex with children. But the idea they are "born this way" is a gateway for pedos and pedo-sympathizers to legitimize their boy-buggering degeneracy.

 

[Marvin]

Pedophilia is a paraphilia, or, as laymen call it, a "fetish." Saying that some people are born with the desire to fuck kids is like saying some people are born with the desire to jerk off in Size 7 red patent leather pumps with 3-inch heels. A significant chunk of pedos are reliving their own childhood grooming and abuse. Others had something else trip a switch in their heads that made them obsess over sex with children. But the idea they are "born this way" is a gateway for pedos and pedo-sympathizers to legitimize their boy-buggering degeneracy.

No one's born with a desire to beat off in stilettos because stilletos are an artificial human construction and not born from a natural biological source. But foot fetishes very well might have a from-birth cause considering they're present worldwide, including pre-literate cultures. (There's a theory that it's related to estrogen affecting growth of certain bones in feet, thus acting as a fertility signal.)

But obviously "born this way" doesn't mean jack shit about whether something is morally right or should be tolerated.

Plenty of sick shit is natural but society rightfully punishes it because we're human beings, not animals shitting in the woods.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Join the navy and get into a submarine unit?

Join the submarine unit, board the submarine, then disembark from the submarine while fully submerged, fine by me.

Pedophilia is a paraphilia, or, as laymen call it, a "fetish." Saying that some people are born with the desire to fuck kids is like saying some people are born with the desire to jerk off in Size 7 red patent leather pumps with 3-inch heels. A significant chunk of pedos are reliving their own childhood grooming and abuse. Others had something else trip a switch in their heads that made them obsess over sex with children. But the idea they are "born this way" is a gateway for pedos and pedo-sympathizers to legitimize their boy-buggering degeneracy.

Exactly. It is all between the ears, and manifested in culturally bound formats. Arguing that it is too deeply ingrained to be "cured" isn't convincing me that these people are patients in need of compassion, it's convincing me that they are dangerous beasts in need of confinement or possibly euthanasia. So the "B4UACT" bleeding hearts might want to be careful with that line of thought. The fact that it is clearly contagious- that molesters often have a history of being molested- just reinforces that principle. It has to be contained, and the matter is too urgent for half-ass hand-holding "stigma reduction." Stigma is very much needed. Stigma is the only advance warning the community has to allow for the protection of the local children.

People like Jesse and Katie are (typical of libtards of their ilk) severely lacking in compassion for kids. They view kids as a community asset, an abstraction. They don't view them as fully human individuals, people who become frightened, who can be broken and hurt. They are comfortably remote from anything resembling a normal family life or participation in the project of human life at large- they live up in their cerebrums and all that icky making and raising babies stuff is not even on their radar. So they view this as some kind of math equation- freedom versus risk versus outcomes. They do think about the pathos of the poor widdow MAP thinking about making himself a splat on the sidewalk because of "stigma." They can relate to his angst, because they mentally model him as a human. They can't mentally model the anxiety and terror of his potential victims.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Off topic but most of the last few pages have been, so what the hell. Apologies to everyone who has already read my rant on other threads.

If anyone wanted that to happen, it would have happened decades ago. There is more money and power in the path that was followed instead.

I also have a hard time believing that any company/cabal of companies would come up with an idea as goofy as 'spend decades normalizing trans stuff to the point where it's in elementary schools and three and a half percent of kids (more if we can!) will be lifetime customers for hormones'.

Big Pharma has no incentive to put kids on hormones for life. None. That’s because these companies make their greatest cash from drugs under patent that treat very common conditions and thus can be marketed to a lot of people. If you’re American, look at what drugs are advertised: patented drugs for weight loss, impotence, pain, mild depression or anxiety. Next time you hear some muppet saying „they” are suppressing the cure for cancer because chemo is so profitable, ask yourself this: what would be more profitable, chemo for at most 1/3 of the population who will eventually be diagnosed with some sort of cancer (and not all will have chemo), or selling a safe, gentle pill to every woman to reduce her risk of breast cancer, or to every man to reduce his risk of prostate cancer? Hormones are a fucking rounding error on their balance sheets by comparison.

If pimozide or a similar drug were a safe, effective treatment against gender or body dysphoria, Big Pharma would not be pushing trooning out. It would be pushing anxiety about trooning out, stigma about trooning out, and selling the drug as the treatment to avoid this awful fate. Pimozide, it turns out, has some quite unpleasant side effects and so is not used as a first-line treatment for schizophrenia or psychosis. It also can’t be taken along with SSRIs, which so many troons are on.

@Larry David's Opera Cape is right though that you have to follow the money and power. Here’s who is making the money or otherwise gaining:

• LGB organisations, politicians and other activists who needed a reason to exist and fundraise after gay marriage and found it in the Ts
• therapists who can now build a nice niche practice
• surgeons and hospitals. They make money by having more people have any type of surgery. As connoisseurs of the SRS thread know, troons ‚n’ poons are repeat customers,

all aided and abetted by

• greater access to and acceptance of degenerate porn and online hugboxes
• more autism
• truly stupid WPATH guidelines that funnel mentally ill people into affirming care
• be kind bullshit
• and the general tendency of humanity to do stupid shit when their society is fat and wealthy ie. decadence. The kids doing this, for example, tend to come from wealthier families. The highschool kids who have to take a part-time job to help their family, or know that their migrant parents would sell a kidney to get them into the Ivy League, don’t bother with this bullshit.

 

[Plum Smuggler]

Jesse Singal derangement syndrome is incredible. BlueSky's user base tiny compared to X but yet Signal has been mentioned nearly every minute when the "latest" tab is selected.

https://bsky.app/search?q=Jesse+Singal

 

[Temperance]

They're harassing the Bluesky Trust & Safety people, lol.



Random JSDS screencaps:

 

[Troon Meet Noose]

I don't really know who Jesse Singal is but he's milking these trooncows like a master.

Hopefully bluesky bans a lot of these extradelusional troons and then they turn to 41%land without their bluesky hugbox.

 

[big pauper]

these patients gladly accept chemical castration combined with high doses of SSRI:s just to not experience sexual arousal anymore. Suicidal ideation, and completed suicides, happen fairly often in this patient group. They live in hell (and to reiterate - I’m talking about the ones who have never acted on their desires).

there's something about this narrative that i've always thought was suspicious, kind of like the noble savage. it's self flagellation. the source of whatever trauma or impressioning that happens to people in their development that causes pedophiliac tendencies is something that frequently also causes sadistic or masochistic tendencies. people usually think of that in the context of physical pain but if you were a person with a paraphilia for abuse and denegration then labeling yourself a pedophile starts to make a lot more sense. i'm not saying that these people are making up being a pedophile, i'm just saying that the things that they say to evoke emotions from onlookers probably should be second guessed

 

[Cryin RN]

Big Pharma has no incentive to put kids on hormones for life. None. That’s because these companies make their greatest cash from drugs under patent that treat very common conditions and thus can be marketed to a lot of people.

Hormones are ancient chemicals with established production chains, shelf stability for many forms, and no patents, so upscaling production of them is cheap and simple and any extra market you can sell them to is easy profit. The trans population may be a (growing) rounding error, but every wellness podcast is shilling testosterone to both sexes and estrogen to women that aren't even menopausal yet. There's clearly an interest on the producer end to sell more of them, since every human produces sex hormones and can be convinced they need even more of them.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

there's something about this narrative that i've always thought was suspicious, kind of like the noble savage. it's self flagellation. the source of whatever trauma or impressioning that happens to people in their development that causes pedophiliac tendencies is something that frequently also causes sadistic or masochistic tendencies. people usually think of that in the context of physical pain but if you were a person with a paraphilia for abuse and denegration then labeling yourself a pedophile starts to make a lot more sense. i'm not saying that these people are making up being a pedophile, i'm just saying that the things that they say to evoke emotions from onlookers probably should be second guessed

Might be true that they’re not genuine. The patients I have met have been miserable, but I’ve been hoodwinked before. That’s always an issue when you have to rely on autoanamnesis for assessment.

I think it’s a broad oversimplification to categorize pedophilia as a paraphilia that someone actively chooses, though. Recent studies are not supporting the “abused kids becomes abusers” narrative, for example. Just because something ought to be true doesn’t mean it’s true. We don’t know why one kid among well adjusted siblings turns out to be a psychopath and we don’t actually know why someone becomes a pedophile either. Unfortunately, some people are probably born wired wrong imo.

 

[big pauper]

Might be true that they’re not genuine. The patients I have met have been miserable, but I’ve been hoodwinked before. That’s always an issue when you have to rely on autoanamnesis for assessment.

i'm not even saying that they aren't genuine, but that the narrative for their own emotional experiences requires other people's validation in the hopes of fostering codependency. the mental gymnastics always manifests in a kind of John the savage type of character where they're rejecting both 'normal' behavior and 'savage' behavior and just self-flagellating over it in the hopes that maybe someone goes "yeah! that guy deserves what he's doing to himself!"

 

[Temperance]

Bluesky has been cracking down on the explicit calls for violence - like all the gun/hammer emoji posts about Jesse seem to be gone. But some threats still slip through if they're vague or euphemistic enough.

Here's one that's still up, for example: https://archive.is/2hD2W

Replies:


This one was deleted, although the poster wasn't banned:

Speaking of Luigi Mangione...


I wonder what this could mean?

 

[Plum Smuggler]

New copypasta

 

[KiwiFuzz2]

I want to dox all of these people just on principle.

 

[Troon Meet Noose]

I want to dox all of these people just on principle.

Dox doesn't mean decapitate.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

LGB organisations, politicians and other activists who needed a reason to exist and fundraise after gay marriage and found it in the Ts

This is the biggest one, and it is absolutely indisputable if you were paying any attention at the time the 2013 and 2015 gay SCOTUS decisions came down, to what was going on in the media and the LGBT activist scenes. There is no question at all that this shift happened deliberately, concertedly, and immediately.

But the fact that this was done on purpose and cynically by gays and lesbians in positions of power is inconvenient for certain folks. Doesn't exactly sit well with certain other narratives.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Exactly. It is all between the ears, and manifested in culturally bound formats. Arguing that it is too deeply ingrained to be "cured" isn't convincing me that these people are patients in need of compassion, it's convincing me that they are dangerous beasts in need of confinement or possibly euthanasia. So the "B4UACT" bleeding hearts might want to be careful with that line of thought. The fact that it is clearly contagious- that molesters often have a history of being molested- just reinforces that principle. It has to be contained, and the matter is too urgent for half-ass hand-holding "stigma reduction." Stigma is very much needed. Stigma is the only advance warning the community has to allow for the protection of the local children.

People like Jesse and Katie are (typical of libtards of their ilk) severely lacking in compassion for kids. They view kids as a community asset, an abstraction. They don't view them as fully human individuals, people who become frightened, who can be broken and hurt. They are comfortably remote from anything resembling a normal family life or participation in the project of human life at large- they live up in their cerebrums and all that icky making and raising babies stuff is not even on their radar. So they view this as some kind of math equation- freedom versus risk versus outcomes. They do think about the pathos of the poor widdow MAP thinking about making himself a splat on the sidewalk because of "stigma." They can relate to his angst, because they mentally model him as a human. They can't mentally model the anxiety and terror of his potential victims.

The problem with this whole argument is that its not really actually all that effective. Paedophilia is the literal worst thing someone can do, its the most repulsive behaviour imaginable in society and extremely heavily punished both officially and unofficially (think of things like how Pedos are typically prime targets of prison violence to such a degree they usually have to be separated from the rest of the prison population). There's often specific laws that are passed to monitor and penalize them further like making their information known publicly with a sex offender registry. But all this doesn't actually stop people from being pedos, acting on their paraphilia, victimizing the youngest and most vulnerable people in society and ruining their lives, and often getting away with completely scot free for their entire lives. Usually this is because the majority of people who are active pedos are victimizing members of their own family and aren't the stereotypical creepy guy with a van hanging around a primary school, its much easier to hide what they've done and they can present themselves as normal people in day to day life, victims often don't know what to do or feel they are unable to make accusations because of complex family dynamics at work. This isn't really the kind of thing that punitive punishments seem to do much to solve, a paedophile can't be prosecuted or contained if nobody else knows about it, since the aim should be to make it so that as few children as possible are victimized by abusers then this is the problem that ostracization and harsh punishment hasn't solved.

Jesse, for his part, I think perceives that this is the problem, Pedos still offend regardless of the law and they probably won't get caught a lot of the time. If it is the case that its something they can't really control, whether or not its a full on orientation, they might know its at least bad, in that case if the pedo is willing to admit it to a professional and be given whatever treatment necessary so they don't offend, its better than them not doing so and molesting their niece. Of course, as has been pointed out, this kind of thing runs the risk of allowing their behaviour to be given a soft touch by a bad therapist or worse for it turn into a group thing where pedos can just reinforce each other, but I can't really remember what Jesse's specifically covered on these things.

 

[Dr. Butt]

If it was being tested in the mid 90's, I'm guessing that it didn't go anywhere because it either wasn't reliably repeatable or that it had too many side effects. If it were today, I'd easily believe that gender ideology could smother studying it but I have a hard time believing that it would have quashed it nearly 30 years ago.

Trannyism was still viewed as a form of homosexuality in the mid 90s. The explanation of what the researchers were trying to treat would have sounded like complete schizo gibberish to the shareholders and general population at the time, and would likely have been seen as an attempt at conversion therapy i.e. "pilling the gay away".

ETA should have read through before posting. @monstrous bubo I had actually never seen any mention of/talk about side effects until your and @Dick Johnson 's posts