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My main issue with 28 days later, is honestly that it's not that hard to wait it out with even some mild warning. Romero zombies don't ever seem to stop moving; they're clearly magic. 28 Days 'Infected' aren't capable of managing themselves once infected. Assuming that they - being generous here - drink water by chugging from rivers and all that; you just need to not starve for a month. If you live in a two story house, own a sledgehammer; and some buckets/a big bathtub; and can get to a shop even just once, you are good to go.

Smash your stairs to pieces, fill an upstairs room with canned food, bottled water, and fill up a bathtub as your reserves, and you're good to go. There should probably be a lot more survivors in the UK; since the infected will starve to death fairly fast.
I mentioned it in another thread but with single point infection zombie outbreak scenarios, there is almost never any serious explanation as to why exactly this shit becomes anything more than a municipality or two getting infected and swarmed before the government and military wises up and cordons shit off/evacuates the surrounding area/firebombs the shit out of these areas, and thus it feels fucking stupid that an entire country/all countries could be wiped out because of this given how 99% of zombies/infected in said outbreaks are just mindlessly retarded and easily distracted humans who lack any weapons beyond their hands and teeth, and tactics beyond swarming. The moment a literal line of soldiers and armoured vehicles is spun around the outbreak zone there aint no fucking realistic way the zombies/infected are getting out without retarded plot contrivances, and 99% of the zombies/infected within the outbreak zone will just be ambling around after car alarms and trash cans being knocked over rather than all swarming the military together.

Romero zombies conversely, as I sperged at even greater length about in another thread, are dangerous because everyone who dies anywhere of anything that does not mulch their brains becomes a brand new infection point, meaning quarantine is 1000% impossible and the only hope society has is to radically adapt almost overnight to a brainfuckingly horrible new reality with all members of the public being willing to headsmash corpses immediately upon death to prevent a new army of zombies forming, and to keep doing this literally forever going forwards, and if this doesnt happen in like the first week or two then shit is gonna spin out of control due to the military/police being stretched to breaking point in hammering down a hundred different outbreaks and civilians going apeshit with panic, with authorities having to dedicate more limited resources to keeping the ship together, all while military/civilian/government workers rapidly start running for the hills and making the fall of society that much more inevitable.

With the 28 Days Later infected, the only way to work around why this shit wasn't bombed/napalmed/nerve gassed out of existence after like a fortnight of the Cambridge area being swarmed with troops and guns is to soft-retcon the infection in a way that allows it to get past any blockade or cordon, which thus allows the UK to be overrun due to the military being overstretched the lack of security causing a mass societal meltdown like in the OG Dawn of the Dead. I dunno, maybe add a "slow burn" airborne variant which infects a couple of the troops/survivors with a teeny tiny viral load who then are evacuated elsewhere in the country, and then after a couple of days the viral load has built up to cause a full onset of infection and thus brand new outbreaks. This would also explain why the UK was so zealously quarantined as even seemingly uninfected people would risk entire continents being exterminated.

I only saw the first movie once and I have to agree. I could suspend my disbelief that these rabies infected could live for more then 4 days without water out of pure hate or whatever, but he end of the movie showed them dying of starvation after a month of not eating some how. Maybe hate really can feed you but only for 28 days. I didn't understand how they got a second movie. I wasn't interested in seeing it, because I got the impression that the infection was isolated to only Britain, maybe I'm wrong and missed a line where they say the infection spread to other parts of the world.
Another thing to note about the OG movie which makes me think they will have to do a fuckload of soft-retcon spackling to explain why these zombies are so super duper dangerous is because when you actually rewatch the infected scenes in 28 days later, the alleged "mindlessly homicidal rage zombies" seem strangely more sedate than one would think.
  • Protagonist wanders around the infected London literally screaming "HELLOOO?" and not one infected nigga notices or cares
  • Protagonist wanders into a church full of infected, and upon specifically getting their attention straight with eye contact they just kinda stare at him looking surprised until he beats up an infected priest, causing them to chase him
  • Protagonist is told to only go out in daylight, implying the infected hate the sun which is borne out when they go back to Protagonist's home where they are later attacked by infected neighbours at night, but despite the noise they make none of the infected neighbours notice or care during the daytime
  • After this, they head off in the middle of the night and only attract the attention of two random infected nearby while making plenty of noise
  • During the tunnel scene they are attacked by infected already living in the tunnel who give up chasing them after like 5 seconds of them driving off
  • In the Gas Station scene, the infected kid in the restaurant ignores the car pulling up, the protagonists getting out and making a fucktunne of noise, and even the main protagonist walking inside until said protagonist actively starts calling him out
  • Despite the evil soldier lair being located in the middle of what is described as an infected hotspot with forests teeming with infected, they only attract the attention of like a dozen, and thats with literal flood lights and sirens and splosions going off.
The point of this especially autistic rundown is to note the lengths needed to make these niggas get angry enough to chase you down, which honestly could be a decent way to for this upcoming sequel to justify the infected "calming down" enough to form their own self sustaining society without them starving to death or dying of thirst, and also justify why they are actually fucking dangerous this time around rather than just being grouchy and territorial nightowls.
 
If you could hole up someone safe with enough food and water for 3-5 weeks, most of the problem would take care of itself.
It's funny because the movie picks up with the protagonist having already been holed up for 3-5 weeks (hence the title!). It turns out a comatose hospital patient has better survival skills than most of mankind. Then ofc Robert Kirkman is like, "yes, that makes sense, I will copy this flawlessly logical storytelling for my own epic zombie saga. It's a British motion picture so surely no one will notice."

I mentioned it in another thread but with single point infection zombie outbreak scenarios, there is almost never any serious explanation as to why exactly this shit becomes anything more than a municipality or two getting infected and swarmed before the government and military wises up and cordons shit off/evacuates the surrounding area/firebombs the shit out of these areas,
Zombie apocalypse sceanarios always have it so that somehow a billion people get bitten and turned within a month even though the zombies eat everybody they catch. I thought the original NotLD was the most realistic: the zombies are mostly straight out of the morgue/graveyard and it's pretty much under control by the next morning. Even Dawn has it so that things are falling apart because of panic, not because zombies are unstoppable.

Return of the Living Dead is possibly the gold standard for realism overall.
 
Zombie apocalypse sceanarios always have it so that somehow a billion people get bitten and turned within a month even though the zombies eat everybody they catch. I thought the original NotLD was the most realistic: the zombies are mostly straight out of the morgue/graveyard and it's pretty much under control by the next morning. Even Dawn has it so that things are falling apart because of panic, not because zombies are unstoppable.
As much as I really dislike World War Z as a book, it did atleast try to give some explanation as to why the zombies magically managed to break out of quarantine.....granted it was a hilariously stupid explanation of infected people near ground zero in China (which failed to contain the outbreak of incredibly slow and very very loud zombies because fuck you) making their way into the Chinese "execute prisoners to harvest organs" system along with the "harvest eggs and sperm" system, which then wound up infecting a bunch of rich people in the west getting transplants, but its more an explanation than we get with most other such stories.

Return of the Living Dead is possibly the gold standard for realism overall.
I mean....yeah. Infected show up, steadily slaughter their way through a town, and after they wind up killing a bunch of cops and soldiers the higher ups press the "giant fucking bomb" button, and would have gotten away with it to were it not for that meddling acid rain. This is 100% what would happen in a realistic infection scenario, and this movie managed it with the wackiest and most OP zombies imaginable (in a good way ofcourse)

Then ofc Robert Kirkman is like, "yes, that makes sense, I will copy this flawlessly logical storytelling for my own epic zombie saga. It's a British motion picture so surely no one will notice."
Actually it might have been ripped off/"inspired" by Day of the Triffids which starts with a guy missing the big fuckuppening in hospital and then wandering a fucked up London trying to figure out what the hell happened

That being said, in 2001 there was also the first Resident Evil movie which ended with the protagonist waking up in hospital after the outbreak and wandering through the empty city, so odds are there was a story element floating around creative spaces at the time which wound up getting picked up by a bunch different creator types
 
Another thing to note about the OG movie which makes me think they will have to do a fuckload of soft-retcon spackling to explain why these zombies are so super duper dangerous is because when you actually rewatch the infected scenes in 28 days later, the alleged "mindlessly homicidal rage zombies" seem strangely more sedate than one would think.
  • Protagonist wanders around the infected London literally screaming "HELLOOO?" and not one infected nigga notices or cares
  • Protagonist wanders into a church full of infected, and upon specifically getting their attention straight with eye contact they just kinda stare at him looking surprised until he beats up an infected priest, causing them to chase him
  • Protagonist is told to only go out in daylight, implying the infected hate the sun which is borne out when they go back to Protagonist's home where they are later attacked by infected neighbours at night, but despite the noise they make none of the infected neighbours notice or care during the daytime
  • After this, they head off in the middle of the night and only attract the attention of two random infected nearby while making plenty of noise
  • During the tunnel scene they are attacked by infected already living in the tunnel who give up chasing them after like 5 seconds of them driving off
  • In the Gas Station scene, the infected kid in the restaurant ignores the car pulling up, the protagonists getting out and making a fucktunne of noise, and even the main protagonist walking inside until said protagonist actively starts calling him out
  • Despite the evil soldier lair being located in the middle of what is described as an infected hotspot with forests teeming with infected, they only attract the attention of like a dozen, and thats with literal flood lights and sirens and splosions going off.
The point of this especially autistic rundown is to note the lengths needed to make these niggas get angry enough to chase you down, which honestly could be a decent way to for this upcoming sequel to justify the infected "calming down" enough to form their own self sustaining society without them starving to death or dying of thirst, and also justify why they are actually fucking dangerous this time around rather than just being grouchy and territorial nightowls.
I think my main problem with all this is, when they try to make zombies realistic like in 28 days. They try so hard to come up with all these explanations of why the zombies, and how the zombies, and how there are so many, and how they don't die to try and satisfy nerds on the internet that argue about what kind of zombie is the best zombie, fast or slow ect. Then you end up with a story that doesn't make sense and that is the major problem.

I don't care what zombie is the best zombie, I don't care what way is the best way to make a zombie, what I want is a fun story that has zombies with rules that work in that movies world. Have a good story with easy to understand rules and I'll be happy. They tried to make the zombies too realistic so for me it went in to the uncanny valley of storytelling and I started to question everything because I wasn't drawn in to the world. Like you said you can't have zombies triggered by sound and start the movie with the lead screaming HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO??!!! in the empty streets.

Yes I am also a nerd nit picking about zombies on the internet, that's why we're all here.
 
I think my main problem with all this is, when they try to make zombies realistic like in 28 days. They try so hard to come up with all these explanations of why the zombies, and how the zombies, and how there are so many, and how they don't die to try and satisfy nerds on the internet that argue about what kind of zombie is the best zombie, fast or slow ect. Then you end up with a story that doesn't make sense and that is the major problem.
I mean, it's a fictional creature that has more than some degree of plausibility like voodoo zombies where a guy is dosed with blowfish poison or what we've discovered in nature with zombie ants. But in storytelling there needs to be some give in order for the story to happen. And I'm fine with that. Let the nitpickers stew in YT comments and clickbait articles.
 
28 Years Later just dropped and it has one of the best trailers I've ever seen. Using Boots is a stroke of genius.

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Since people are talking about the unrealistic elements in the movies that bothered them, my biggest peeve was the idiotic emergency plan in 28 Weeks Later.

"Ok, we've got a pathogen that turns any infected person into an active transmitter within seconds. We should lock all the uninfected up in one cramped space."

Seriously, the movie's finale disaster could've been prevented if all the civilians had been instructed to lock themselves in separate rooms and stay quiet. The rage zombies aren't very adept at finding their prey, or breaking through barriers (as individuals at least).
 

Since people are talking about the unrealistic elements in the movies that bothered them, my biggest peeve was the idiotic emergency plan in 28 Weeks Later.

"Ok, we've got a pathogen that turns any infected person into an active transmitter within seconds. We should lock all the uninfected up in one cramped space."

Seriously, the movie's finale disaster could've been prevented if all the civilians had been instructed to lock themselves in separate rooms and stay quiet. The rage zombies aren't very adept at finding their prey, or breaking through barriers (as individuals at least).
I get that. That's the common complaint. But should it even be a reminder that governments can massively fuck up like that?
 
There are a few movies out there that did variations on the "rage virus/toxin/signal" concept that were much better because they take place in the span of only a day or two, so they don't have to get into infected people dying of thirst. The Crazies comes to mind.

It's been a while since I read the Crossed comics, so I can't remember if any of the infected in that comic were staying hydrated.
 
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There are a few movies out there that did variations on the "rage virus/toxin/signal" concept that were much better because they take place in the span of only a day or two, so they don't have to get into infected people dying of thirst. The Crazies comes to mind.

It's been a while since I read the Crossed comics, so I can't remember if any of the infected in that comic were staying hydrated.
I Drink Your Blood is another one where it's rabies.

 
I think my main problem with all this is, when they try to make zombies realistic like in 28 days. They try so hard to come up with all these explanations of why the zombies, and how the zombies, and how there are so many, and how they don't die to try and satisfy nerds on the internet that argue about what kind of zombie is the best zombie, fast or slow ect. Then you end up with a story that doesn't make sense and that is the major problem.
The whole "realistic zombie" thing is a bit like making a "realistic werewolf" or "realistic vampire" story, in that it just winds up pissing time and audience attention away to make shit very obviously supernatural sound more "sciencier" despite the end result being every bit as fucking unrealistic as the wolf man, count orlok, and the fucking tarman zombie. What I like seeing is a realistic reaction in-universe to this shit, both in terms of the actual characters and the wider worldbuilding, the former of which is easily done by way of competent writing and the latter of which requires a decent level of competent autism.

Take my favouritest werewolf movie, Dog Soldiers. The actual fuckin werewolves are your bread and butter supernatural silver hating humanoid maneating predators and there is zero effort in trying to justify their existence by the screenplay, which focuses on how a group of soldiers on a training mission react to stumbling across this shit in the middle of nowhere, with some wider worldbuilding of the government trying to capture them for a weapons programme. Hardly a super original or interesting concepts, but it does all it needs to in order to justify why these assholes on screen are where they are and doing what they are doing. If the movie wasted a solid 20-30 minutes on scenes and exposition overexplaining the "science" of why werewolves be werewolving, it would be nigh fucking unwatchable, and thankfully they straight up rolled with "yeah this shit is supernatural and we aint got nothing to explain shit" and moved on fast.

It's been a while since I read the Crossed comics, so I can't remember if any of the infected in that comic were staying hydrated.
Nigga I am gonna start my fucking sermonising as to why I detest that series so much at this rate, but i'm saving my grand unified "why crossed fucking sucks ass" thesis for when the alleged TV series enters production/is cancelled
 

Since people are talking about the unrealistic elements in the movies that bothered them, my biggest peeve was the idiotic emergency plan in 28 Weeks Later.

"Ok, we've got a pathogen that turns any infected person into an active transmitter within seconds. We should lock all the uninfected up in one cramped space."

Seriously, the movie's finale disaster could've been prevented if all the civilians had been instructed to lock themselves in separate rooms and stay quiet. The rage zombies aren't very adept at finding their prey, or breaking through barriers (as individuals at least).
Hahaha you bastard. I came just to post that. Everytime I watch 28 Weeks later it's that very scene that makes me go WTF the most. Not to mention they cut the power and turn the lights off, for that extra cramped space fun.

Still, 28 years later looks like it could be decent. Lets hope and see.
 
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I Drink Your Blood is another one where it's rabies.
Satanic hippies get infected with rabies as revenge by a boy that injects rabies blood into meat pies I think. It's been a while since I've seen it.
Nigga I am gonna start my fucking sermonising as to why I detest that series so much at this rate, but i'm saving my grand unified "why crossed fucking sucks ass" thesis for when the alleged TV series enters production/is cancelled
I hate Crossed too, but I feel I've ranted enough for today.
 
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Wasn't the t virus airborne and that's why it infected everyone so fast? Even that makes more sense than most zombie shit
IIRC, and I suspect the lore on this has been retconned like 7 times now, it was spread by infected rats/water lines, although a quick check of the wiki throws out a half dozen other explanations from the leech femboy to a freak lung transplant accident. But yeah, the general series of events of "infection happens and takes out a bunch settlements but is then violently firebombed and quarantined, with muh zombie virus being actively trained for afterwards by cops and military personnel to justify new games" is a refreshingly realistic take on the genre compared to the typical "gubmint and military tag out after the first day, rocks fall and everybody dies" plot of the genre
 
Nigga I am gonna start my fucking sermonising as to why I detest that series so much at this rate, but i'm saving my grand unified "why crossed fucking sucks ass" thesis for when the alleged TV series enters production/is cancelled
Wait wait wait. Who's making a Crossed TV show? There's no way any studio would ever have the balls to make an adaption that's anywhere near faithful. Also, yeah, Crossed is trashy as fuck but that's why I had a good time reading.

Edit: I've been meaning to watch The Sadness for fucking ever. I really need to get on that.
 
What Crossed wished it was. Good flick. Kino.
Crossed was dog shit. Absolute dog shit as written by an eternal 13-year-old edge lord. But adjacent to that concept, I would recommend The Sadness:

Literally thought of this when I posted.

Its almost like the general concept of "a zombie infection that turns people into fully sapient and intelligent sickfuck sadist monsters" can actually work as a horror story when not handled by a whiny edgelord obsessed with crowbarring in his shitty attempts at black comedy along with his bush era/pre-reddit-atheist sermons every five minutes, while making every non zombie character an obnoxious and stupid asshole or snarky self-insert/wish-fulfilment prick.....dang it and I said I was gonna save my sermonizing

Wait wait wait. Who's making a Crossed TV show? There's no way any studio would ever have the balls to make an adaption that's anywhere near faithful. Also, yeah, Crossed is trashy as fuck but that's why I had a good time reading.

Edit: I've been meaning to watch The Sadness for fucking ever. I really need to get on that.
Unfortunately yeah, although it may actually just be a movie......yet one more fucking reason why The Boys deserves so much more fucking contempt than is already being piled atop it
 
"Ok, we've got a pathogen that turns any infected person into an active transmitter within seconds. We should lock all the uninfected up in one cramped space."

They were in a hotel. Hotels have heavy as fuck doors and locks. Nobody is brute forcing their way into a hotel room without tools. It was the single dumbest plot convenience device I've ever seen in a movie. And the Army had aircraft with napalm but no Bradley's? Shit, those infected aren't getting in even a Humvee.

That's why Night of the Living Dead was the most realistic out of the zombie dramas: in America at least, you'd have armed posses out and about cleaning shit up within 24 hours.
 
Wait wait wait. Who's making a Crossed TV show? There's no way any studio would ever have the balls to make an adaption that's anywhere near faithful. Also, yeah, Crossed is trashy as fuck but that's why I had a good time reading.

Edit: I've been meaning to watch The Sadness for fucking ever. I really need to get on that.
There's an older Zombie comic from the early 90's you might like called Dead World AKA The Dead. It goes to some places.

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