UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot outside Hilton hotel in Midtown in targeted attack: cops - Just Part and Parcel of visiting a Big City

TLDR: there's a world of difference when a company like Apple or Toyota or Tyson poultry have a monopoly - the US government and political apparatus should've seen the UHG monopoly being an issue and dismantled it far before this assassination happened. Healthcare is sacrosanct to keeping a country strong and having a good healthcare system is critical to stop people from becoming bankrupt and/or left with no options. The whole concept of a "mega" healthcare company like UHG with a stock ticker is inherently "problematic" and leads to perverse outcomes like CEOs getting gunned down in the street.
Meh… Theoretically a big organization delivering care should be more efficient and cost less money.

The problem is that politicians keep meddling and adding all their special interest groups wishes on top.

So in reality you never have the efficiencies from neither a totally free market, nor from one or two big health organizations.
 
Based on my own reading (I don't have facts/figures to quote - go look them up yourself) the cost of healthcare is increasing as a result of an aging population plus incidents of cancer and expensive illnesses becoming more common. It appears the cancer mortality rate is decreasing (which means treatment works so less people are dying) but more people comparatively are getting cancer and some other diseases in the first place.
It's elsewhere in this thread but IIRC United's been showing increases in operating profits - i.e. they're increasing their revenue while keeping static expenditure (or even reducing it). That would indicate they're spending less per insuree on healthcare
 
There's more to it than that. When the pressure comes off the nerves, there's no way to predict how they're going to respond. They might feel better, they rarely become more painful. You can get an arthosis that shifts or moves, the hardware positioning can change. You can get bone growth that puts pressure on nerves.

It's common to need a revision.

I think Luigi might have opted for a minimally invasive surgery with a higher risk of failure.
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I believe he’s fused from L-5 to S-1 which I haven’t seen many people talk about.

His lower back is fused to his sacrum, which means he can’t twist his torso at the base.
That’s a back into the pelvis fusion, and pelvic fusions are a new level of fusion pain.

It feels like your pelvis got hit by a truck or a few good swings of a sledgehammer when healing, and even healed shooting pains in the pelvis aren’t uncommon depending on the day.
Plus I’m no doctor but it looks an awful lot like there was compression/stenosis near or at the L1 nerve root which controls so many things.
Like the legs and pelvic functions including sensation.
There are some parts that are just numb now, but realistically that’s a blessing compared to feeling constant pain.

And again I’m no physical therapist, but I’m thinking that Luigi isn’t able to bend at the waist either with the sacrum fusion.
He has to do squats or bend at the hips forever if that’s the case.
 
There's more to it than that. When the pressure comes off the nerves, there's no way to predict how they're going to respond. They might feel better, they rarely become more painful. You can get an arthosis that shifts or moves, the hardware positioning can change. You can get bone growth that puts pressure on nerves.

It's common to need a revision.

I think Luigi might have opted for a minimally invasive surgery with a higher risk of failure.
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I will just add some notes to this that aren't really medically related but seem relevant (this is from memory so some may not be accurate - I'm using a phone so can't multitab and link) plus some of my own notes and observations:
  • People kind of know when he had the surgery
  • His own tweeter update on January claimed he had broken his back and was nuts because of that (not because of the surgery or at least it wasn't made clear)
  • Luigi had sporadic back pain/issues before his actual back injury, probably dating from his childhood. The back injury from a surfing accident seem to have been severe and left him in a lot of pain.
  • The 3rd party claims/hearsay that he couldn't fuck as a result of his back injury (which many people seem to be using to justify his mental state/actions) I am pretty sure came AFTER the back injury but BEFORE the back surgery. Whether he could fuck after the back surgery, his general mobility and whether he was pain I am pretty sure are totally unknown.
  • It is unclear how the back surgery went - there is a cited reddit post where he said early on that it went great and he was off pain meds within 10 days but there was also someone else online who said he said the back surgery went really badly and didn't provide any more info.
  • Overall, there isn't really a clear enough picture to understand how well/badly the surgery went at this stage nor is there any knowledge of whether health insurance even related to it at all. Based on anecdotes he wasn't short of money (was throwing around long subscriptions and had like 10k USD on his person when he was arrested). At least to me it seems unlikely the surgery was a financial problem for him (especially considering that his family were allegedly wealthy).
  • There are many claims that his family were exceptionally wealthy on account of his grandfather - however his grandfather had 10 children and 37 grandchildren so it's unclear how "cash rich" his immediate family actually was.
  • One thing that is known is that he was a part of a sort of "commune" in Hawaii and that he developed an interest in psychedelic drugs earlier this year. The guy from the commune that has done a few interviews on TV did the interviews from a place in Mexico that is known to be a hotspot for psychedelic drugs. He was remote working during this time.
  • Exactly what psychedelic drugs or when he may have taken them has no clear answer just yet but there is a lot of speculation online that he may have taken Ayahuasca (which has an earned reputation of sending people totally off the deep end and making them cut contact with friends and family). Ayahuasca IMHO (and perhaps some impact of the surgery) provide the clearest explanation of him cutting off contact with all family/friends and killing the CEO.

It's elsewhere in this thread but IIRC United's been showing increases in operating profits - i.e. they're increasing their revenue while keeping static expenditure (or even reducing it). That would indicate they're spending less per insuree on healthcare
I have seen these here and on tweeter but they are incomplete.

They are incomplete because they do not show how many customers UHG has at any given time nor the demographics of those customers. They had been making moves to get into the hospice and elder care industry that were blocked by the government.

I mention this because their revenue/profit margins at one date only matter with the context of how many patients they had at that time - besides that UHG was doing a lot of non-insurance shit (like pharmacies, data stuff).

So to have an actual clear picture you would need to know just the insurance arms profit margins PLUS the number of patients that they had at that time - the problem with even that is their business was commingled and they were apparently doing things of interest to some of their own business interests (like their pharmacy arm) that also would've impacted these figures.

On top of all of that, supposedly during their ransomware saga a whole bunch of doctors offices were bankrupted due to UHGs systems fucking up and UHG not only loaned interest free money to them but also bought up a significant number of them for pennies on the dollar.

(and no I'm not writing this to be on "team UHG". They sound like faggots. But I feel it's important to fully understand if they were getting massive record profits just because of their insurance denials or if that was just a tiny part of their operations)
 
Briana Boston, a 42 year old mother of three gets charged with terrorism after she ends a call to her insurance company in anger by saying “Delay, Deny, Depose, you people are next!”

Her bond was set at $100k. What the fuck happened to the first amendment? She doesn’t even own a gun.


This is straight up class war against any one of the peasants who dares raise their voice against them
Really hard to not say something I will regret.
 

Suppose people angry at Goldman Sachs were truly angry: so angry that they went beyond posturing and beyond acting against Goldman Sachs only if action were guaranteed to cost them nothing (like writing a blog post). If they ceased to care about whether legal proceedings might be filed against them; if they become obsessed with destroying Goldman Sachs, if they devoted their lives to it and could ignore all bodily urges and creature comforts. If they could be, in a word, like Niven’s Protectors or Vinge’s Focused.

Could they do it? Could they destroy a 3 century old corporation with close to $1 trillion in assets, with sympathizers and former employees throughout the upper echelons of the United States Federal Government (itself the single most powerful entity in the world)?

Absolutely. It would be easy.

As I said, the destructive power of a human is great; let’s assume we have 100 fanatics—a vanishingly small fraction of those who have hated on GS over the years—willing to engage even in assassination, a historically effective tactic32 and perhaps the single most effective tactic available to an individual or small group.J

Julian Assange explains the basic theory of Wikileaks in a 2006 essay, “State and Terrorist Conspiracies” / “Conspiracy as Governance”: corporations and conspiracies form a graph network; the more efficiently communication flows, the more powerful a graph is; partition⁠ the graph, or impede communication (through leaks which cause self-inflicted wounds of secrecy & paranoia), and its power goes down. Carry this to its logical extreme…

"If all links between conspirators are cut then there is no conspiracy. This is usually hard to do, so we ask our first question: What is the minimum number of links that must be cut to separate the conspiracy into two groups of equal number? (divide and conquer). The answer depends on the structure of the conspiracy. Sometimes there are no alternative paths for conspiratorial information to flow between conspirators, other times there are many. This is a useful and interesting characteristic of a conspiracy. For instance, by assassinating one ‘bridge’ conspirator, it may be possible to split the conspiracy. But we want to say something about all conspiracies."

We don’t. We’re interested in shattering a specific conspiracy by the name of Goldman Sachs. GS has ~30,000 employees. Not all graphs are trees, but all trees are graphs, and corporations are usually structured as trees. If GS’s hierarchy is similar to that of a binary tree, then to completely knock out the 8 top levels, one only needs to eliminate 256 nodes. The top 6 levels would require only 64 nodes.

If one knocked out the top 6 levels, then each of the remaining subtrees in level 7 has no priority over the rest. And there will be 27 − 26 or 64 such subtrees/nodes. It is safe to say that 64 sub-corporations, each potentially headed by someone who wants a battlefield promotion to heading the entire thing, would have trouble agreeing on how to reconstruct the hierarchy. The stockholders might be expected to step in at this point, but the Board of Directors would be included in the top of the hierarchy, and by definition, they represent the majority of stockholders.

We could in fact partition a binary tree in half just by assassinating the root node, the CEO, and this has become a revived strategy in this age of the corporation; John Robb, “Piercing the Corporate Veil”:

A worrisome counter-example is Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost an entire office and 2⁄3 of its headcount on 9/11, but is still around. But this fits into the graph formalism well if we look at the details and notice that the damage was entirely confined to a single group in CF. An office is just a subgraph—losing an entire office meant that the hierarchy was preserved: one subtree was lopped off, and the main tree continued. Every survivor knew where they were in the hierarchy.

I think the only way this doesn't fizzle out is if we get a copycat attack in relatively short order. While killing the CEO might have some positive effects downstream, like people online who are reporting that UHC is suddenly more willing to hear them out about the medicine they need to maintain a decent quality of life, it's ultimately inconsequential if the hierarchy isn't more meaningfully shaken.

God bless Luigi Mangione.
 
Woman CEOs can’t be killed without massive backlash. This might ultimately be the strategy corporations take
I, for one, will reject our ovarian overlords. I want the person signing my paychecks to have testicles, plausibly bigger than my own. I will no longer tolerate a nagging schoolmarm dictating corporate policy, I will not reenter the longhouse, I will not eat the bugs.
 
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I don't know if you're retarded or something, but if the guy kills again then he gets a new trial and you can convict him this time??? How did you think that works?
you know when you play fighting games and you stun someone, and after they get up, you can't stun them anymore because they have immunity? It works like that in the legal system. once you let a criminal go, they are exempt from all punishment for how ever long the programmers set it to
 
I can't believe some of you faggots. Leftists are celebrating this man. You can't seriously be standing by his actions.
I literally do not care what his politics are. He did the right thing. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is going to have stupid politics that you disagree with. If you read history, especially about revolutions you may agree with, you'll find that the individuals involved were a collection of contradictory nonsense politics.

The media and the Internet has given everyone such politic-brain that we completely forget the one thing that unifies us: we of the lower classes are being taken advantage of by rich evil people. No amount of political ideals, meritocracy, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, or voting will change that.

You don't need to agree with everything about a person to endorse an action and the cultural effects it will have. Yes, this will probably fizzle and people will go back to their McDonald's and WWE, but it's also possible another fed up person will see the masses approving of this and be pushed themselves to do the right thing.

So yes, I will celebrate what he did. Even if he is a misguided idealist with goofy thoughts, everyone who has ever done anything that mattered was.

And for the record, I am not a leftist by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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If you’re on that jury and vote for guilty, Luigi is going away for the rest of his life.
I followed a few recent court cases ultra closely on tweeter and other platforms and I will say this much: during the jury selection process (where jury members say they can't be impartial or are presented for that) enough information is given out that they can and do get dox'd.

I am certain I have heard jurors report to the court that they have received emails and communication relating to the trial as a result of this. I believe this was the case during the SBF/FTX trial.

I believe they have to state shit like their full name as well as their job. But maybe the judge will take special anti-faggot measures in a court case of this nature (for example: in the torswats faggot case the judge issued an order to hide the personal information of lawyers and court personnel - but before they were withheld they were published and distributed uncensored anyway)

Example (judge asking media to limit publishing information about jury members): https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/04/18/trump-trial-jury-selection-juror-2/

Also post-trial some of them give interviews or get identified later on.

So if you're on that jury, just like the McDonald's worker, you may get harassed by people for the rest of your life too (depending on how the court case actually materializes)

More examples:
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An example of anti-faggot measures: https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1777473042731438507?t=o_w_KT9k9qbj2XxAzB8KIQ&s=19

So yeah - if people listen closely - and they will be for a case like this, then at least some of the jury will be dox'd before the trial even starts
 
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Violence doesn't solve anything? Haha. I don't give a shit about Luigi. I give a shit about the fact that the elites seem to have backpedaled and try to be like "yeah erm healthcare is shit haha don't kill us please". After the media utterly failed to receive anyone who had sympathy for the parasite. And just now it seems like the government might be shitting their pants a little and moving to break up the monopolies?
Too good to be true but come on. This beats sitting on our asses and talking about how bad muh violence is if it does actually cause a good change.
 
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