Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

immigration issues

With that subject, most of the Tll facebook updates were about immigration.
Greta...well its business as usual.
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Greta shopping for a new "bride".
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Its funny that you talk about sterotypes greta, considering you're a living one.
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Keep beating that dead horse greta.
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With that subject, most of the Tll facebook updates were about immigration.
Greta...well its business as usual.
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Greta shopping for a new "bride".
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Its funny that you talk about sterotypes greta, considering you're a living one.
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I love how these people can't even grasp the most basic reality.

Nina broke the law.
This has NOTHING to do with being a tranny.

I really wonder if they have a lawyer or are just so stupid they think they can do whatever they want.
Asylum claims look over every aspect of your life and that includes social media of you and your partner/spouse.

And looking at their social media, why does Nina want to stay in country that according to him is such a horrible, racist hell hole?
 
And looking at their social media, why does Nina want to stay in country that according to him is such a horrible, racist hell hole?

I don't think for a second that nina believes that the US a racist hell hole. Nina has lived in india, long enough to know what that is like. Hell the asylum claim is basically an admission, that india is a lot worst then the US in the terms of rights.
 
And looking at their social media, why does Nina want to stay in country that according to him is such a horrible, racist hell hole?

Because El Nino can't trade in those sweet tranny oppression points for $$$. This "racist hell-hole" is a honey trap where he can scam mentally ill troons.
 
There was some discussion of the topic earlier, but there's seriously something about rat king trannies bothering me. Sure it is one thing to be ugly, dress like hobo or have hygiene like you don't own a shower, but there are just these transgender people who really seem lost with what hell ever they are trying to be, not mainly because phenotype but because of serious lack of effort and laziness. I mean to compare these people to this..

This is MtF trans person Nok Yollada.

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Like you can see some manly details, but there is effort to clearly be female.

.. and THIS is FtM trans person Buck Angel.

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You wouldn't even think of this person as woman.

It is like they just grow hair a bit and wear a dress and that's it. There's some severe lack of effort and all.
I wonder why that is.

Are a lot of Rat King types not even trans and just want to be part of some sorta group? And if so, why trans people specifically?
 
There was some discussion of the topic earlier, but there's seriously something about rat king trannies bothering me. Sure it is one thing to be ugly, dress like hobo or have hygiene like you don't own a shower, but there are just these transgender people who really seem lost with what hell ever they are trying to be, not mainly because phenotype but because of serious lack of effort and laziness. I mean to compare these people to this..

This is MtF trans person Nok Yollada.

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Like you can see some manly details, but there is effort to clearly be female.

.. and THIS is FtM trans person Buck Angel.

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You wouldn't even think of this person as woman.

It is like they just grow hair a bit and wear a dress and that's it. There's some severe lack of effort and all.

I don't really give a shit about how they present beyond the obvious absurdity of expecting people to identify you as a woman and "treat you" as a woman (whatever the fuck that means) when you're a Jake Alley type. Plenty of cis women make no effort either.

What does bother me is that despite claiming they have always been women, they have zero interest in women's issues. Their identity and their agenda doesn't revolve around being women - it revolves entirely around being trans. When do you ever hear Nina talk about how terribly Indian women are treated even in Western countries? You don't, because only trans issues concern her. If she knows how terrible life is for many Indian women in Western countries, then it doesn't concern her enough to advocate for them, even though she claims to be an Indian woman herself.

That's especially irksome when they trot out the "women of colour" bullshit. They're not doing a damned thing to improve the lot of minority women - even though if they were truly accepted as and treated just like other women they would face the same issues as those women face.

To use their own language, they want admission to the sisterhood while simultaneously being terrible allies.
 
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want to be part of some sorta group

I think that is exactly is what is going on. When researching the rat king, there were one similarity that these guys all shared. Loneliness, whether it was by past deeds or if was general obscurity. A good example of this would be zinnia jones, before zin trooned out, he made videos on youtube, after the troonscape zin was still making videos on youtube. The only difference now is the view and sub count. Now when you start looking at the before and after with of those troons, and it becomes quite clear, attention, they want attention. Now some of these guys have found a way to monetize said attention. But those are few a far between and had to sacrifice everything and everyone to get it, keep it, and maintain it.(one of the reasons why greta will show up at null's house with a knife for a "talk") Those people are very dangerous, as evidenced by the actions of laurelai baley. But even at the end of the day greta, zin, laurelai and many others in the rat king are no different then the spud king. They will do whatever, say whatever and be whatever to get that attention.
 
What does bother me is that despite claiming they have always been women, they have zero interest in women's issues. Their identity and their agenda doesn't revolve around being women - it revolves entirely around being trans. When do you ever hear Nina talk about how terribly Indian women are treated even in Western countries? You don't, because only trans issues concern her. If she knows how terrible life is for many Indian women in Western countries, then it doesn't concern her enough to advocate for them, even though she claims to be an Indian woman herself.

This, this, this! It's one reason that while Wu is a hilarious fuck-up, he's actually a better tranny than the entirety of the Rat King, in that sometimes when he needs Twitter asspats he remembers that cis women have distinct issues that can't be glossed over with "TRANS WOMEN HAVE IT WORSE".
 
This, this, this! It's one reason that while Wu is a hilarious fuck-up, he's actually a better tranny than the entirety of the Rat King, in that sometimes when he needs Twitter asspats he remembers that cis women have distinct issues that can't be glossed over with "TRANS WOMEN HAVE IT WORSE".


Wu's whole identity is built around pretending to be a cishet woman so his "interest" in women's issues is just an unintended consequence of that. If he was only interested in trans issues, it would raise awkward questions he doesn't want to answer.
 
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But Greta actually is a crazy tranny. I mean, this is very well documented.
I love how these people can't even grasp the most basic reality.

Nina broke the law.
This has NOTHING to do with being a tranny.

I really wonder if they have a lawyer or are just so stupid they think they can do whatever they want.
Asylum claims look over every aspect of your life and that includes social media of you and your partner/spouse.
Nina and Greta are completely incapable of taking responsibility for anything. When faced with something that is indisputably their fault, their kneejerk reaction is to find someone else to blame for something, even if it's not directly relevant. "We got stopped by immigration... b-b-but the US is transphobic! We're trans! So this isn't our fault!"

Look at the sad case of Elizabeth Waite for another instance of Greta trying to divert attention from her own fuckups.

And looking at their social media, why does Nina want to stay in country that according to him is such a horrible, racist hell hole?
I think the "I h8 America!" crap that gets trotted out is the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum and telling its parents that it hates them.

There was some discussion of the topic earlier, but there's seriously something about rat king trannies bothering me. Sure it is one thing to be ugly, dress like hobo or have hygiene like you don't own a shower, but there are just these transgender people who really seem lost with what hell ever they are trying to be, not mainly because phenotype but because of serious lack of effort and laziness. I mean to compare these people to this..

This is MtF trans person Nok Yollada.

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Like you can see some manly details, but there is effort to clearly be female.

.. and THIS is FtM trans person Buck Angel.

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You wouldn't even think of this person as woman.

It is like they just grow hair a bit and wear a dress and that's it. There's some severe lack of effort and all.
Being fair, in some cases the difficulty is what you have to work with. Nok Yollada there is young, slim and Asian - if she started out as a burly middle-aged white dude a la Greta, well, she'd probably still look like Shrek, albeit with better style. Similarly, Buck Angel started out with small breasts and quite a square jaw, so had a good base on which to build.

That aside, one of the big issues is style. Most troons just don't get women's fashion. They dress too young or too sexy, resulting in something that highlights rather than hides their masculinity. Or they put zero effort in, and you can barely tell they're supposed to be trans at all. It's a difficult line to tread, but avoidable with work and a realistic self image. Oh wait.
 
There was some discussion of the topic earlier, but there's seriously something about rat king trannies bothering me. Sure it is one thing to be ugly, dress like hobo or have hygiene like you don't own a shower, but there are just these transgender people who really seem lost with what hell ever they are trying to be, not mainly because phenotype but because of serious lack of effort and laziness. I mean to compare these people to this..

This is MtF trans person Nok Yollada.

nok_yollada.jpg

Like you can see some manly details, but there is effort to clearly be female.

.. and THIS is FtM trans person Buck Angel.

Buck-angel.jpg

You wouldn't even think of this person as woman.

It is like they just grow hair a bit and wear a dress and that's it. There's some severe lack of effort and all.

Its like they are too lazy to get a job so they can actually get the things done they need...Oh wait...
 
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That aside, one of the big issues is style. Most troons just don't get women's fashion. They dress too young or too sexy, resulting in something that highlights rather than hides their masculinity. Or they put zero effort in, and you can barely tell they're supposed to be trans at all. It's a difficult line to tread, but avoidable with work and a realistic self image. Oh wait.

Proof positive that these people were absolutely not socialised as women.

Unattractive women are, unless they're extremely oblivious or just perhaps blind and deaf, not allowed to forget that they're unattractive. From almost as soon as they're aware they look like anything at all girls are aware that they're being judged for it. If they are not conventionally beautiful or just downright unfortunate-looking, they are reminded of that repeatedly. Parents, siblings, friends, acquaintances and the media will point out the ways in which they don't measure up and hint, suggest or demand that they do this thing or that thing to address it. They are reminded repeatedly that they should dress to suit their shape, size and age, to carefully consider if their hairstyle flatters the shape of their face. The minute women reach adulthood they are reminded that they are aging and exhorted to make damn sure not to show it - but, if they really must grow older, they certainly mustn't forget it for a minute because God forbid they should try to look too young. If they fuck up in any way they are subtly shamed at best, outright ridiculed at worst.

That Greta and her cronies not only fail to realise any of this shit, but attribute any kind of criticism of their looks to transphobia, is proof they don't understand what it means to be a woman at all.
 
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I swear, if Shmorky calls I would pay a significant amount of cash monies to hear that conversation, hilarious falsetto tranny voices and all
 
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PHOENIX — Nina Chaubal and her wife, Greta Martela, thought about going through the Rocky Mountains on their way to Chicago from San Diego late last month, but did not want to risk getting caught in a snowstorm. So they drove south through Arizona, where Ms. Chaubal, an Indian national with an invalid work visa, fell into the hands of the Border Patrol.
Ms. Chaubal, 25, was not worried about deportation when she arrived at the Eloy Detention Center, a privately run immigration jail 80 miles southeast of Phoenix and several hours away from the Border Patrol checkpoint where she had been stopped.
But as a transgender woman, she said she was afraid of what could happen to her while in custody.
She and Ms. Martela, who is also transgender, had heard enough storiesto have reason for concern — about transgender women kept in isolation or housed in men’s units, where sexual assault is not uncommon and harassment is routine, according to numerous accountspublished by Human Rights Watch last year.
As she stepped inside the jail on Dec. 30, Ms. Chaubal said she wondered, “Is this what’s waiting for me?”

By then, Ms. Martela, 47, had mobilized a small army of supporters through Facebook, tapping into the network she and Ms. Chaubal had built in the three years since they started Trans Lifeline, a crisis hotline for transgender individuals.
The supporters raised more than $10,000 to help pay Ms. Chaubal’s $4,500 bond and for legal defense and urged one another to call Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal agency in charge of immigrants’ detention and deportation.
Ms. Chaubal, a former software engineer for Google, resumed her trip to Chicago as soon as she was released from Eloy, four days after her arrival. She walked out “feeling privileged to be able to get out so quickly, and in one piece,” she said in an interview.
Others have not been so fortunate. Karyna Jaramillo, a transgender woman from Mexico living in Phoenix without authorization, spent nearly two weeks among male detainees in Eloy in 2015, so fearful for her safety that she said she considered suicide.
“The men whistled, screamed obscenities at me,” Ms. Jaramillo, 46, said. “They’d touch their genitals and say, ‘Here comes fresh meat.’”
No one abused her, she said through tears. “But the emotional trauma, I’ll never forget.”
Hers is a familiar narrative, said Aaron C. Morris, executive director ofImmigration Equality, a nonprofit group that provides free legal representation to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender persons. About half of the group’s clients indicate that they were threatened with sexual assault or were sexually assaulted while in immigration detention, he said.
“The abuse, the mistreatment, they are not aberrations,” Mr. Morris said.
The question of how to best protect transgender women in immigration detention has confounded federal authorities for some time. In 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement — known by its acronym, ICE — for the first time recognized transgender detainees as a vulnerable population, albeit a small one. According to statistics provided by the agency to The New York Times, among the approximately 41,000 immigrants in custody on Tuesday, 53 identified as transgender.
There are guidelines to allow transgender detainees to continue their hormone treatments and be placed in units based on the gender they identify with.
A memo in 2015 stipulated other protections, like a system to identify detainees’ gender identity that should inform where and how they are detained and the type of medical care they may receive.
ICE has also moved to house transgender men and women in a dedicated unit at the city jail in Santa Ana, Calif., which had 36 detainees on Tuesday, and at a new facility that is scheduled to open this month in Alvarado, Tex., south of Fort Worth. The goal, an agency official said, is to concentrate a small population in places that can offer specific services and shield them from abuse. (After public pressure, including a hunger strike, the Santa Ana City Council voted to stop holding immigration detainees in the city jail by June 30, 2020.)
While acknowledging the changes, lawyers and advocates say mistreatment and abuse endure. A client of Immigration Equality told her lawyers that she was assaulted in the Hudson County Correctional Facility in Kearny, N.J., on Dec. 21 and was transferred to another detention center in the state afterward, Mr. Morris said.
Jennicet Gutiérrez, a community organizer at Familia: Trans Queer Liberation Movement, a grass-roots group based in Los Angeles, said that despite the mandatory training of guards at the Santa Ana jail, some transgender women are told to “act male” and are often addressed using male pronouns.
“There’s still a lot of training that’s necessary for them to overcome the deep lack of knowledge and understanding about our community and treat us with dignity and respect,” said Ms. Gutiérrez, who is transgender.
Many transgender men and women flee to the United States in search of protection from torture, sexual violence and other types of persecution in their home countries.
That is why Ms. Jaramillo, a director at Trans Queer Pueblo in Phoenix, said she left Mexico. She did not, however, petition for asylum. (She said she was not aware it was an option.) She said she landed in immigration detention after a drunken-driving arrest by the local police.
Ms. Chaubal came to the United States as a foreign student. According to her LinkedIn profile, she got a bachelor’s degree in computer science from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign in 2012.
She met Ms. Martela, a contract software engineer at the time, while working for Google. They married in San Francisco in the spring of 2015, just before they moved to Chicago to work on Trans Lifeline full time, Ms. Chaubal said.
Ms. Chaubal said she had been working on completing her application to adjust her immigration status when she was detained.
She always carries her Illinois driver’s license when she travels. That is the document she showed to the Border Patrol agent who stopped their van at the checkpoint near Yuma, Ariz., on Dec. 28.
“It’s one thing if I had left the country and crossed into Mexico,” Ms. Chaubal said. “But I’m in California, driving down the interstate. There’s this checkpoint in front of us and everything changes.”
From the checkpoint, one of dozens the Border Patrol operates along the United States’s southern and northern borders, Ms. Chaubal was taken to two Border Patrol stations, and then to Eloy, where she stayed for four days.
“What would have happened if we hadn’t been able to mobilize so many people, get a lawyer, raise money?” Ms. Martela said. “What if we didn’t have the connections that we do?”
Correction: January 10, 2017
An earlier version of this article misstated the number of immigrants in custody who identified as transgender and misstated the day of that census. It was 53, not 54, and the information was current as of Tuesday,not Thursday.
Correction: January 10, 2017
Correction: January 10, 2017
TL;DR this article is garbage
 
Just getting caught up with this thread. Holy shit, Gretatown just made my day. I can't help but imagine it devolving into Fury Road within a week, with Greta leading a cult of Wartroons who attempt to raid the surrounding areas via heavily modified mobility scooters.
 
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