Tabletop Community Watch

[Sunflower Samurai]

Indie tabletop game turned smash Kickstarter success Trench Crusade has had a random reddit post actually reach a substantial amount of likes (i.e the leddit is normally dead) where the poster calls out the "unofficial-official" (its pretty much the official discord, the main devs behind the game are in it and major updates/beta rules are posted there) discord for having shit moderation

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrenchCrusade/s/ApKcTz3Xvd

https://archive.is/emXWe

This is only really notable because of Trench Crusade's massive success and the fact that the Discord was the main battleground for a culture war moment where trannies purged a bunch of Warhammer fans from their community because of "vibes" and allegedly some stalking some users' twitter for wrongthink.
I posted an overview of that debacle back in May

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HECKING CHUDDERINO ALERT!
For those of you who arent twitter-pozzed, there has been some really funny drama going on with independant wargame, Trench Crusade
https://www.trenchcrusade.com/ https://archive.ph/HPqvt
Its a skrimish wargame based on an art project where the forces of heaven and hell battle it out in debased and brutal ways, with both sides being mutilated husks relying on zealotry, ultra-violence, and hellish or holy magicks in an alt WW1 between the forces of heaven and hell fought on earth. The game just had a successful kickstarter and is being designed by one of the OG designers of Mordheim, from Warhammer fame

The Game got viral due to a tweet where someone offers it as a viable alternative to warhammer, getting very popular on twitter and noticed by even normies due to the striking imagery, but what many who just liked the post and moved on didnt noticed, the OP is a filthy fucking CHUD

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https://ghostarchive.org/archive/JKgzl
And as one might notice in the Trench Crusade site, their main form of contact is a DISCORD, and everyone knows where this is going
The discord was hosted by a community called 28 magazine, a "zine" based on 28mm miniatures
https://28-mag.com/ https://archive.ph/hqoGG
and as many have guessed, its pretty pozzed, anything with a discord does, so the discord went into lock-down after le siege of the meanie rightiecucks fleeing the hecking chudhammer menace
Some have been banned just for thinking the wholesome Aztecs should fight on the forces of hell

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https://ghostarchive.org/archive/TOK6b
But the fever pitch increased to people gatting banned out of asking mere questions about why were people being banned

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https://ghostarchive.org/archive/gnKj5
As one might have guessed, a bunch of boomers dont know how to handle the discord, so they just posted a milquetoast post about how they agree with any and all actions that the 28 team does in the discord

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https://ghostarchive.org/archive/jC6eN
Only time will tell if something as fragile as this community covering very charged imagery like gore and religion will crumble under itself due to a critical mass of discord mods

Once again a reminder to literally any creative that discord is poison albeit a highly entertaining one to the outsider looking in

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

Once again a reminder to literally any creative that discord is poison albeit a highly entertaining one to the outsider looking in

I've avoided the TC Discord like the plague since the initial drama, and it sounds like I'm not the only one, based on some of the comments in that reddit thread. I like the tenor of the conversation in there, actually. You've got a couple of people worried about "christofascist chuds" getting into the game and Deus Vulting all over everyone, but everyone else has correctly identified the power-tripping mods as the main problem and wants something to be done about them.

It really does seem like the biggest issue was the dev team deciding that they didn't want to run the Discord themselves and handing it over to whichever randos from 28mag and elsewhere that volunteered to do it, which is always a mistake, since the people who most want power and authority over others are typically the least suited to wield it in a healthy or professional way. If they don't want their community to be strangled in its cradle by these dickheads, they'd better intervene, and soon.

 

[Revelator]

I've avoided the TC Discord like the plague since the initial drama, and it sounds like I'm not the only one, based on some of the comments in that reddit thread. I like the tenor of the conversation in there, actually. You've got a couple of people worried about "christofascist chuds" getting into the game and Deus Vulting all over everyone, but everyone else has correctly identified the power-tripping mods as the main problem and wants something to be done about them.

It really does seem like the biggest issue was the dev team deciding that they didn't want to run the Discord themselves and handing it over to whichever randos from 28mag and elsewhere that volunteered to do it, which is always a mistake, since the people who most want power and authority over others are typically the least suited to wield it in a healthy or professional way. If they don't want their community to be strangled in its cradle by these dickheads, they'd better intervene, and soon.

Not wanting Crusader LARPers in a game that's essentially just Facebook Crusader memeing with rules is like asking for a BLT with no lettuce. Troons, man. No logic at all.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Indie tabletop game turned smash Kickstarter success Trench Crusade has had a random reddit post actually reach a substantial amount of likes (i.e the leddit is normally dead) where the poster calls out the "unofficial-official" (its pretty much the official discord, the main devs behind the game are in it and major updates/beta rules are posted there) discord for having shit moderation

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrenchCrusade/s/ApKcTz3Xvd https://archive.is/emXWe
This is only really notable because of Trench Crusade's massive success and the fact that the Discord was the main battleground for a culture war moment where trannies purged a bunch of Warhammer fans from their community because of "vibes" and allegedly some stalking some users' twitter for wrongthink.
I posted an overview of that debacle back in May
Once again a reminder to literally any creative that discord is poison albeit a highly entertaining one to the outsider looking in

It seems like the main retard being named as the head janny in charge is the server creator, some retard named ryan

Funnily enough, people are complaining he didnt sperg out when he was bitched at that Storm of Steel was written by a Nazi, even a basic Wikipedia skim, fucking Wikipedia of all sources, tells you that said Nazi was against the Nazi party and only joined it for political/military purposes, and even tried to kill Hitler Link

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This "WatchingJork23" fella seems to be a big proponent of the discord being shit, in a fit of irony, in spite of the first TC schism being over people calling people Nazis over the wholesome chungus aztecs, they still accuse the current team of shitting on natives

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Overall, its a great example of retards eating their own when everyone has increasingly pedantic takes on a complex subject, and often just for retarded idelogical reasons
Although im now thinking there are some gay ops afoot considering how hard they try to pin the Ryan guy with isms.

 

[ShitLurker]

try to pin the Ryan guy with isms.

The only ism I see there is autism, Christ almighty can't they stop being faggots for longer than a week?

 

[HTTP Error 404]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/avishkar-why-we-changed-the-name-of-a-plane

https://archive.ph/byjmd

WOTC made an expansion for MTG in 2016 based on steampunk fantasy not-india, using the Indian terms for "Tomorrow" + "City." "Kala" + "desh." Kaladesh.

Apparently, "Kala" is also Hindi slang for nigger.

"Niggertown." They named their Indian steampunk world "Niggertown" in India's language.

So they renamed it, after hiring a bunch of overpriced woke consultants, as "Avishkar," which is the Hindi word for "Invention" with a letter removed.

Of course, Reddit Jannies wish you to know that disagreeing with the glorious and insightful not-racists that named their world "Niggertown" is not allowed because they are, in fact, correct and glorious and insightful, it's not cultural appropriation when they do it, and you all can't behave.

 

[Flexo]

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https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/avishkar-why-we-changed-the-name-of-a-plane

https://archive.ph/byjmd

WOTC made an expansion for MTG in 2016 based on steampunk fantasy not-india, using the Indian terms for "Tomorrow" + "City." "Kala" + "desh." Kaladesh.

Apparently, "Kala" is also Hindi slang for nigger.

"Niggertown." They named their Indian steampunk world "Niggertown" in India's language.

So they renamed it, after hiring a bunch of overpriced woke consultants, as "Avishkar," which is the Hindi word for "Invention" with a letter removed.

Of course, Reddit Jannies wish you to know that disagreeing with the glorious and insightful not-racists that named their world "Niggertown" is not allowed because they are, in fact, correct and glorious and insightful, it's not cultural appropriation when they do it, and you all can't behave.

FYI we were also mocking this in the MTG thread

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/magic-the-gathering.16399/page-264#post-20055244

 

[Warm Lasagna]

So, remove the gay drama and community bullshit from it, what do you think about Trench Crusade?

I read the rules and the system seems interesting on paper. I’m not sure how it would work in practice. I think the lore is neat, and I’m always down with alternative WWI theming. I think it’d be fun to build a warband and kit it out but then I enjoy skirmish level wargames.

Didn’t know where to post this as it doesn’t really fit into the WH40k thread.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

So, remove the gay drama and community bullshit from it, what do you think about Trench Crusade?

I read the rules and the system seems interesting on paper. I’m not sure how it would work in practice. I think the lore is neat, and I’m always down with alternative WWI theming. I think it’d be fun to build a warband and kit it out but then I enjoy skirmish level wargames.

Didn’t know where to post this as it doesn’t really fit into the WH40k thread.

Its neat on the surface but people are trying to read too much into it, lots of things are clearly just for rule of cool and fall apart since they're just a story atattched to an art project turned Wargame. Who knows if the writing projects will salvage it or make it worse
I do think there are good enough modeling opportunities the moment you look into more esoteric forms of christianity and occultism, but the mainstream fanbase will probably use it as a medium to say jesus bad and it will probably be niche within clubs due to its online nature ala OnePageRules

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

So, remove the gay drama and community bullshit from it, what do you think about Trench Crusade?

I read the rules and the system seems interesting on paper. I’m not sure how it would work in practice. I think the lore is neat, and I’m always down with alternative WWI theming. I think it’d be fun to build a warband and kit it out but then I enjoy skirmish level wargames.

Didn’t know where to post this as it doesn’t really fit into the WH40k thread.

I haven’t checked it out to be honest because of the drama but sometime I should take a look at it. I have an unbuilt necromunda gang that could be easy to convert. But…

ala OnePageRules

part of the reason I have a hard time getting into these projects is that the core people pushing them constantly move on to the next project. The one guy I know in meat space constantly goes from one alternate 40k to another and I usually end up investing more into it than him. Then selling the minis, if I can sell them, at a loss or they end up shelved forever.

 

[Warm Lasagna]

the mainstream fanbase will probably use it as a medium to say jesus bad

I mean 40K already has the anti-religion theme on-lock and that’s popular.

Since it’s a skirmish war game with a low model count, I could see the level of investment being low enough to where if someone asking me to play a game of Trench Crusade, I would say yes. Being a two person game, all you need is one goober to join you and you got the makings of a play group.

The lore does need more fleshing out, but I think that might happen organically as people design warbands and make stories using their games. As for rule-of-cool, 40k is the top war game rn. Rule-of-cool is always a benefit and never a detriment in this market.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Indie tabletop game turned smash Kickstarter success Trench Crusade has had a random reddit post actually reach a substantial amount of likes (i.e the leddit is normally dead) where the poster calls out the "unofficial-official" (its pretty much the official discord, the main devs behind the game are in it and major updates/beta rules are posted there) discord for having shit moderation

The Moderator told a Native American that they werent the only person to face racism, 'your culture isnt special.' This followed the Native Americans objection to Homebrew about the Aztec Empire that they found objectionable. This person was then banned.

Unironically based for banning that social justice retard. The Aztec Empire doesn't exist anymore and these hypocritical fuckers are using stuff invented by white people every day. As soon as an autist cries about muh culture they should be banned from the platform immediately.

The Moderator Took two days to eventually ban somebody using ISIL as an acronym for the Iron Sultanate, which is one of the former names of the ISIS terrorist group.

And with that they stopped being based.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I mean 40K already has the anti-religion theme on-lock and that’s popular.

Since it’s a skirmish war game with a low model count, I could see the level of investment being low enough to where if someone asking me to play a game of Trench Crusade, I would say yes. Being a two person game, all you need is one goober to join you and you got the makings of a play group.

The lore does need more fleshing out, but I think that might happen organically as people design warbands and make stories using their games. As for rule-of-cool, 40k is the top war game rn. Rule-of-cool is always a benefit and never a detriment in this market.

I root for the little games and RPGs. The world is better with them. Hopefully they don’t mismanage anything and keep the momentum.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

I mean 40K already has the anti-religion theme on-lock and that’s popular.

Since it’s a skirmish war game with a low model count, I could see the level of investment being low enough to where if someone asking me to play a game of Trench Crusade, I would say yes. Being a two person game, all you need is one goober to join you and you got the makings of a play group.

The lore does need more fleshing out, but I think that might happen organically as people design warbands and make stories using their games. As for rule-of-cool, 40k is the top war game rn. Rule-of-cool is always a benefit and never a detriment in this market.

I dont disagree on the anti religion or the rule of cool, my issue is that it has this same brand of terminally online loud minority trying to prop it up as something larger than it actually is on its setting quality or as a general market competitor

I respect OPR in spite of it being some of the same because of their honesty of their projects being an alternative rather than a competitor

 

[Warm Lasagna]

I root for the little games and RPGs. The world is better with them. Hopefully they don’t mismanage anything and keep the momentum.

I’m probably just fatigued with Warhammer as a setting and am looking for literally any other option.

I’ve checked out some others but Frostgrave and Mork Borg’s Forbidden Psalm seem to be top contenders at the moment. Mini agnostic games are always a plus and it looks like the community is trending towards “less is more” when it comes to rules, a la OPR.

It has this same brand of terminally online loud minority.

Trench Crusade seemed like a cool setting with interesting rules that looks like it might have some people modeling and playing it. Pozzed shit be damned, if you strip away any trannies and astroturfing and everything else that raises eyebrows, it seems neat. It’ll definitely never be the “halo killer” the soulless YouTubers say it is, but it looks fun.

 

[Ghostse]

I’ve checked out some others but Frostgrave and Mork Borg’s Forbidden Psalm seem to be top contenders at the moment. Mini agnostic games are always a plus and it looks like the community is trending towards “less is more” when it comes to rules, a la OPR.

Stay the fuck away from anything Mork Borg. Everyone involved from creators to plays is some level of Lolcow. It is 100% aesthetic with just enough "rules" to say its a game for people who will never actually play it.

I don't know about Frostgrave's ruleset, but I got their Gnolls to pad out my D&D villain minis and the model quality is very good. Nothing to really write home about but they don't look like bubbly pitted shit and go together pretty well with a decent level of mini-options.

 

[Spunt]

Its neat on the surface but people are trying to read too much into it, lots of things are clearly just for rule of cool and fall apart since they're just a story atattched to an art project turned Wargame. Who knows if the writing projects will salvage it or make it worse
I do think there are good enough modeling opportunities the moment you look into more esoteric forms of christianity and occultism, but the mainstream fanbase will probably use it as a medium to say jesus bad and it will probably be niche within clubs due to its online nature ala OnePageRules

So far it seems to have a lot of traction. My local gaming group are setting up a league, and we have had a whip-round to buy all the .stl files. There's 3 or 4 guys with 3d printers who are going to print off all the models. My experience is that a lot of people are willing to give this a go, especially as the barrier to entry is much lower than 40k, or even Necromunda (which TC most resembles). I'm going to get a Court of the Eight Headed Serpent army because the models look gnarly and fun to paint.

A lot of people are trying TC because they're not happy with Games Workshop for a wide variety of reasons, some culture war-related, most not. They're still going to play 40k or Old World or whatever, but they want to give TC a fair shake because they don't think GW's near-monopoly on grimdark tabletop gaming is a good thing, and I agree with that. So I'm cautiously optimistic. A lot will depend on whether the game is actually fun to play, there's some odd mechanics that I'd have to see in action to really get a grip on whether they make sense.

 

[Warm Lasagna]

Stay the fuck away from anything Mork Borg. Everyone involved from creators to plays is some level of Lolcow.

Goddamn. That bad, huh? Sounds like you’ve got some lore you wanna drop.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

So, remove the gay drama and community bullshit from it, what do you think about Trench Crusade?

I read the rules and the system seems interesting on paper. I’m not sure how it would work in practice. I think the lore is neat, and I’m always down with alternative WWI theming. I think it’d be fun to build a warband and kit it out but then I enjoy skirmish level wargames.

Didn’t know where to post this as it doesn’t really fit into the WH40k thread.

It had the same start as Turnip28 but with an edgier world design. I'm not a fan of the demon faction since it looks like just another chaos warband proxy force. While it's a little astroturfed by the more popular gaming channels it certainly fills a niche in the small Weird War genre of tabletop games.

 

[Adamska]

Trench Crusade kind lacks an internal spirit to me. It just comes off as if you take Warmahorde's scale efforts, 40k's aesthetics, and then just run it through Bolt Action, using stuff I've seen from art portfolios a while back. It kind of just feels like Mork Borg, where it's all style, not a lot of substance.

It just lacks something to draw me in tbh, though I'm not a minis gamer by inclination or desire so my opinion's mostly worthless.

Will say the community and pressure to ruin the game already makes me sort of zone out. It's why I can't be arsed to ever try Deadlands.