General Wrestling Discussion

[Figantic Gaggot]

Seeing Jordynne Grace's name reminded me of how she broke the internet with that picture of her, Masha Slamovich, Sam Leterna, and Gisele Shaw...

would've broken the internet further if this was taken when jordynne wasn't a roided out, throat cancer voiced monster

Spoiler

do not google Gisele Shaw nude, you have been warned

can't stop me. i just did. she seems very proud of what she's packing

 

[Franz Joseph]

she seems very proud of what she's packing

So is Scott D'Amore.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

I legitimately don't understand how anyone can listen to Dave just from an audio perspective.

He has to have the worst audio quality and the most severe stuttering of anyone with a successful podcast.

Then again, he writes like a 2nd grader which again, makes no sense as you'd think just over time, his grammar would just naturally improve with time and practice.

Hot takes are hot takes. Everyone has them. It's just do bizarre how functionally bad he is at communicating, yet he makes money communicating.

The only people who take Dave Meltzer seriously are neckbeards, the same type who like AEW and think story isn't important in wrestling, theres a reason why they are so hated by literally every other wrestling fans, Wrestling is not a competitive sport, its more akin an action TV show or anime, these fans who want wrestling to be more akin to a sport don't understand why they are so reviled with normal people

 

[Snack Cracker]

I'm kind of sad that Timeless Toni Storm is no more. I thought it had a little more shelf life left before resorting back to Motley Crüe Toni.

That was such a cool gimmick, never seen anything like that before which is a FEAT in wrestling and it suited her looks and style so well.

New Jack said it fucked with his head when someone told him he has to go out and create something no one’s ever seen before, but it’s true.
You have to stick out in wrestling, good or bad.

Yet another alternative adjacent blonde that wears rock inspired clothing, that’s not new.

 

[JustStopDude]

The only people who take Dave Meltzer seriously are neckbeards, the same type who like AEW and think story isn't important in wrestling, theres a reason why they are so hated by literally every other wrestling fans, Wrestling is not a competitive sport, its more akin an action TV show or anime, these fans who want wrestling to be more akin to a sport don't understand why they are so reviled with normal people

I'm not even necessarily talking about taking him seriously. Like I can listen to clips of Jim Cornnett or Bryan Alverez and while I might not agree with what they are presenting, it's at least in an engaging format.

Dave is the master of using 40 words where someone else would use 10. His content is such a slog to get through. He reminds me of Ayn Rand in that the vast majority of people who sing her praise have clearly never read one of her God awful books.

I'm convinced that the majority of his content is not consumed by even his most ardent followers.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

I'm not even necessarily talking about taking him seriously. Like I can listen to clips of Jim Cornnett or Bryan Alverez and while I might not agree with what they are presenting, it's at least in an engaging format.

yeah, thats the unfortunate reality, Cornette at least has some credibility in my eyes because he actually worked in the industry, he definitely has stinker takes at times but the things he says at least in terms of like AEW is valid criticism, Alvarez just seems to be Meltzer-lite in regards to being a critic, just sees it as a pre-determined sport instead of an actual TV show, I would say if they wanted all fight no story then they might as well watch something like UFC, the good thing is, over the past year or so, normal fans have been coming back to wrestling and taking the narrative away from guys like Meltzer or Alvarez

 

[Well Intentioned]

The only people who take Dave Meltzer seriously are neckbeards, the same type who like AEW and think story isn't important in wrestling, theres a reason why they are so hated by literally every other wrestling fans, Wrestling is not a competitive sport, its more akin an action TV show or anime, these fans who want wrestling to be more akin to a sport don't understand why they are so reviled with normal people

I actually wouldn't mind a more 'competitive sports' storyline focus and thought we might've been getting that with AEW (remember when 'win/loss record will matter!' was a thing?) I think TNA did something like that for a minute or two.

I dunno how they would do it but doing like a regular season and then a 'playoffs' that would culminate with a Wrestlemania type event. There is lots of drama in sports that has been used in professional wrestling.

I imagine finding a way to make it compelling is probably why it never really takes off, but I do think that there is potential there outside of WWE's very surface level attempts with shit like the draft and brand split.

 

[GloryHole Stalker]

I actually wouldn't mind a more 'competitive sports' storyline focus and thought we might've been getting that with AEW (remember when 'win/loss record will matter!' was a thing?) I think TNA did something like that for a minute or two.

I dunno how they would do it but doing like a regular season and then a 'playoffs' that would culminate with a Wrestlemania type event. There is lots of drama in sports that has been used in professional wrestling.

I imagine finding a way to make it compelling is probably why it never really takes off, but I do think that there is potential there outside of WWE's very surface level attempts with shit like the dratt and brand split.

As laudable as the notion is of treating rasslin like a real sport... it'll never work because it's a work. I can't really see how a true "real sports presentation " could succeed unless the fans believed what they were seeing was a shoot.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I think TNA did something like that for a minute or two.

when they were on Fox Sports they had on-screen graphics of like, who was in the ring,time left in the match, stuff like that
iirc Fox Sports had a gimmick of THE SCORE IS ALWAYS ON THE SCREEN so they were keeping with that framework

 

[The Nothingness]

I may sail the high seas for when Raw has its first show on Netflix.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

I may sail the high seas for when Raw has its first show on Netflix.

ill bum off my parents netflix, I don't usually watch the weekly shows live but its going to be a particularly big show, especially if Dwyane returns, speaking of The Rock, I wonder how they are going to handle The Rumble, im thinking they could have Rock or maybe Cena win it, but all the shit going on makes it actually unpredictable for the first time in a few years

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I haven't paid for cable in a decade, I pirate stream basically all my wrasslin

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

I haven't paid for cable in a decade, I pirate stream basically all my wrasslin

PPVs are also way too expensive on Cable, I remember having to convince my mom to shell out $50 for Mania 24 way back in 2008, im glad the age of the cable boomer is finally dying off

 

[Well Intentioned]

As laudable as the notion is of treating rasslin like a real sport... it'll never work because it's a work. I can't really see how a true "real sports presentation " could succeed unless the fans believed what they were seeing was a shoot.

Ah, maybe I didn't explain myself properly. I agree a 'real sport' approach would suck, but borrowing aspects from competitive sport and using it for storylines is more what I had meant. Like, you can create a competitive sports framework but use it as a vehicle for drama and storylines.

Like you said, it probably would never be feasible (how do you fit in gimmick matches or hell, tag team matches, etc.), but I'm still intrigued about potential possibilities. I wouldn't want to see like ROH 2.0 or Japanese wrestling 2.0 or whatever, but something more silly and campy.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

PPVs are also way too expensive on Cable, I remember having to convince my mom to shell out $50 for Mania 24 way back in 2008, im glad the age of the cable boomer is finally dying off

back in the MNW I had a buddy with a black box

I bought a ppv once or twice over the years, forget exactly what, one was a mania that grew from a couple of friends coming over to a smallish party, so having to dick around with popups and stuff wasn't so viable

Also I threw the free twitch sub I get through prime at AAA when they were there.
The English feed hosted by the mas lucha guys was soooooooooo fucking comfy.
The chat was fairly light so you could have decent conversations, explain stuff to n00bs, like which parka and misticos are which, and there was good bantz with the announcers too

 

[trent]

AEW have predictably made an utter balls of the location switch for their Australia show. People who paid the guts of a grand for ringside seats at the original venue are being put in the cheapseats at the back of the new venue because new ticket buyers are pre-ordering the much cheaper ringside seats for the new venue which is pushing the existing ticket holders to the back regardless of how much they paid.

I'm getting to the stage where i think any regular poster in this thread (including Mirror Noir) could manage AEW better than the current fucking idiots running the show over there. A shit ton of money, a shit ton of early good will from wrestling fans and they are just so fucking incompetent that it defies belief.

Once again, i think they have more than enough money and talent to keep going for years but who really gives a shit about an industry with essentially 2 versions of TNA, some patchy quality Japanese/Mexican wrestling and WWEs Marvel movie stuff?

Stardom and random dudes with ludicrous gimmicks utterly beaning each other with folding chairs in a bingo hall is becoming the best part of pro-wrestling because all of the major companies are pandering to an audience that doesn't exist/barely cares.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

WWE's Saturday Night Main Event is blowing Collusion out of the water.

 

[Hijo de D. Woodchucks Jr.]

2 versions of TNA,

Except TNA can sell out their venues.

 

[trent]

Except TNA can sell out their venues.

Hey now, AEW can easily sell out a couple of thousand seats at some random videogame tournament or nerd-shit convention before they go back to barely half filling a hockey arena and then inexplicably selling out a 12k seater for a PPV 2 weeks later.

Zero consistency in either the base product or how many people they can or can't get to show up to watch it. Hottest ticket of the week in one market and then struggling to sell BOGO tickets in the next one.

I don't know how you fix that when you have one guy at the top who clearly has ADHD making all the decisions whilst listening to none of the multiple decades-old vets he has in his company.

 

[GloryHole Stalker]

Ah, maybe I didn't explain myself properly. I agree a 'real sport' approach would suck, but borrowing aspects from competitive sport and using it for storylines is more what I had meant. Like, you can create a competitive sports framework but use it as a vehicle for drama and storylines.

Like you said, it probably would never be feasible (how do you fit in gimmick matches or hell, tag team matches, etc.), but I'm still intrigued about potential possibilities. I wouldn't want to see like ROH 2.0 or Japanese wrestling 2.0 or whatever, but something more silly and campy.

Basically returning to the way wrestling was presented in the previous century. I'd love that too fwiw.