Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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"Don't you understand? Ukraine is a fake country that is nazi but also jewish and really russia anyway. Russia makes everything better which is why all of Central Europe is stupid for not willingly becoming vassals for the Russian state. No I will not show examples of Russia improving a single location and no I have not visited any country outside of my parent's native Mexico but Poltical expert, totally white guy and online friend, Nick Rodriguez-Fuentes told me so from his mother's Duplex".

 

[Thomas Talus]

Russian grandads with AK-12s (vastly superior to any tranny NATO rifle, xaxaxa, even a Russian boomer with frostbitten fingers can reload it in mere seconds) being the next human wave, making sure churkas in Moscow need not bleed in their place:
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Россия is truly fighting for the third world.

Just casually walking right in front of the barrels of guns being actively handled by amateurs with their fingers near the triggers, hope those are all 100% unloaded.

 

[MG-34]

Just casually walking right in front of the barrels of guns being actively handled by amateurs with their fingers near the triggers, hope those are all 100% unloaded.

Weapon safety? What kind of HATO tranny are you? If your training doesn't have at least 16 preventable deaths you're doing it wrong.

 

[Ghostse]

Different goals, different means, different context.
Not that you know anything about that, because you're just an "America bad" NPC parroting talking points.

Also the usual implication of "you approve if it's your team", because you do approve of any type of atrocity committed by the Russians.
Incapable of even conceiving of the idea that someone might be opposed to an action because of what it entails, as opposed to judging the morality solely based on who is the doer and who is the doee.

The other thing with "Muh Serbia" is that NATO was not bombing powerstations in the middle of winter. It was a very temperate May.

NATO also was also using... non-destructive graphite bombs. The bombs exploded over power infrastructure, filling the air with conductive graphite dust, and it short-circuited power. Nothing was really destroyed, systems had to be cleaned and you needed to wait for the dust to settle, but it wasn't the same as launching cruise missiles into substations. They also tried to put bombs on the least-populated infrastructure.

Contrast this with Russia where they lob their missiles into apartment blocks because that's what their shitty guidance systems can find, and are deliberately targeting the capital and residential neighborhoods because that is where the the AAD is weakest. They don't care about civilians or how many are around their targets or flight paths, and they make sure to wait to do this in the middle of winter to ensure maximum suffering.

There is also a difference between the goals. NATO was demonstrating air superiority and trying to bring the conflict to a quick end; NATO could touch the entirety of Serbia at will and was showing that ability by targeting the capital as a few week long intervention began ramping up. Russia by contrast is unable to hit beyond Kiev, and has been at this against a smaller country for 3 years with gains measured in meters.

edit: And while I am open to "total war" arguments, Russia has started a war against a neighbor a fraction its size and its going so poorly they are trying to target their economy. This isn't Russia in a fight it didn't choose, this isn't Russia against a peer, this is them picking on a smaller country, being completely BTFO and in retaliation trying to freeze grandma to death.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Ukrainian acts of sabotage against Russian 3 locomotives in Krasnodar (13th Dec 2024) and Su-30 fighter jet on aerodrome in Krymsk (14th Dec 2024)

Correction: it was not Su-30, but Su-27 callsign Taymyr (it has the same tail number as another Su-30).
Source: Telegram channel war_home
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[Ghostse]

Hey guys remember how as 2007 was coming around, and it was almost one month after the 1000th day of the invasion of Iraq, that the US still was bogged down in trench warfare with the Iraqis and still hadn't managed to dislodge the Iraqi's counter attack from Northern Maine? Remember how Iraq managed to hit some refineries so in response the US launched a bunch of tomahawks into the Iraqi electrical grid and it was viewed as a huge show of strength and not a hissyfit tantrum because they weren't able to do anything else like hit military targets?

Also rememeber how the US was so utterly spent from fighting Iraq for three years that when a civil war overthrew the president of the Philippines the only thing the US could do was bomb some hospitals and civilian buildings where hours before there had been rebels, and offer the leader assylum? Then the US airforce just cowered in their bases while the navy sailed off until Indonesia negotiated safe-passage so they just packed up everything and left? Remember how this utterly fucked the US's strategic plans for SEA, and everyone THOUGHT it made the US looked like a cucked, failing nation unable to protect allies?

But of course it all turned out actually be 5-D chess by Dubya.

 

[World in Scarlet]

The moment of the strike of a long-range kamikaze drone based on the Aeroprakt A-22 light aircraft on the building of the OMON Directorate of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation for the Republic of Chechnya in Grozny .

The footage is published by Ukrainian channels. In other videos, you can see the moment when this drone-plane approaches the target and an attempt to shoot it down with small arms fire.

This is already the third kamikaze drone attack on Chechen territory in recent times.

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Yesterday, the SBU together with the Defense Forces of Ukraine successfully eliminated a Russian train with 40 fuel tanks, the estimated damage amounted to about 4 million dollars. The operation was carried out in the Zaporizhia region.​

The goal of the special operation was to disrupt the logistics chains through which fuel was delivered from Crimea to the temporarily occupied territories.

At the first stage, specialists from the 13th Main Directorate of the Military Counterintelligence Department of the SBU blew up the railway track when the train was near the village of Alekseyevka in the Bilmatsky district. As a result of the explosion, the train stopped, and some of the tanks caught fire. Then, units of the operational grouping of troops "Tavria" intervened in the case, striking with HIMARS MLRS. Precise hits on the locomotive and the outer cars made it impossible to evacuate the train or save the cargo.

In addition to the destruction of the fuel and the locomotive, significant damage was caused to the railway infrastructure. Damage to a key section of the route paralyzed supplies to Russian troops for a long time.

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Two Russian occupiers looted the bodies of their own comrades after yet another failed assault. Before his death, one of them even tried to shoot down a kamikaze drone with a bag of loot, but very awkwardly. Donetsk region, archival footage of pilots of the unmanned systems battalion of the 47th Mechanized Brigade Strike Drones Company.

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Even a quad has limits. It throws the Russian into a puddle of water.

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Two Russian tankers sank in the Kerch Strait (as far as anyone knows, without outside interference).​

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A T-54B loss, Donetsk direction.

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There's been reports North Koreans participated in a recent attack and some documents were found. We'll see, visually it's impossible to tell Koreans from Siberians.

On December 14, soldiers of the 92nd Assault and 95th Airmobile Brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who are defending the demilitarized zone near the village of Mala Loknya, Sudzhansky District, Kursk Region, repelled a massive attack by the DPRK troops.

According to Censor.Net sources, more than 200 soldiers of the Korean People's Army went on the attack from several directions, with the aim of capturing one of the landings. Despite the losses, the enemy assault groups moved forward, not stopping even under aimed fire, the evacuation of the wounded and dead was not carried out.

The North Koreans captured a number of trenches in one of the landings, but in general the Ukrainian defense held out, and our troops are restoring the situation.

The video, which is at the disposal of the Ukrainian command, shows dozens of corpses of North Korean soldiers. Documents were also captured.

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Dead Zigger storage in Kursk.

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[East_Clintwood]

Two Russian tankers sank in the Kerch Strait (as far as anyone knows, without outside interference).

Just typical Russian maintenance + a storm. It's not even the first time it's happened. I do like the official statement desperately trying to undersell how bad shit is as usual:

"Today two tankers, Volgoneft 212 and Volgoneft 239, were damaged due to a storm in the waters of the Black Sea. There are 15 people on board of one ship and 14 people on the other. The damage caused an oil spill emergency," the agency specified.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Elderly Russians getting trained.

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Earlier this year, Frontelligence released an article about the Russian manpower situation.
They found that the Age at Death of soldiers had increased from 30 to 38.

To contextualize this, before the war, life expectancy at birth for Russian men was 65.6 years, healthy life expectancy was 58.2 years (Westerners can only dream of such).
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While the quality of recruits decreases, the cost of attracting them increases rapidly.


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I posted previously about the life expectancy of storm troopers (2-4 weeks).
Anecdotally, I read that in some places the SOP is to send fresh, untrained recruits on attack missions, to conserve more experienced soldiers. They suffer very high losses for very little effect.

 

[Ghostse]

The moment of the strike of a long-range kamikaze drone based on the Aeroprakt A-22 light aircraft on the building of the OMON Directorate of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation for the Republic of Chechnya in Grozny .

Hold on, you're telling me with all those civilian apartment buildings around they hit a Governmental Security building with their drone? Doesn't anyone in Ukraine know how to fight a modern war?

Yesterday, the SBU together with the Defense Forces of Ukraine successfully eliminated a Russian train with 40 fuel tanks, the estimated damage amounted to about 4 million dollars. The operation was carried out in the Zaporizhia region.

I've been waiting to see more of these. fucking up Russia's rail will really hurt their ability to fight, especially as glidebombs are losing efficacy.

While the quality of recruits decreases, the cost of attracting them increases rapidly.
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I posted previously about the life expectancy of storm troopers (2-4 weeks).
Anecdotally, I read that in some places the SOP is to send fresh, untrained recruits on attack missions, to conserve more experienced soldiers. They suffer very high losses for very little effect.

The increase in payments most likely reflects not just the recruitment situation but the falling of the Ruble's value. If they're being turned into meatcubes they want money that will take care of their family not just buy groceries for a month.

As for moblik bullet sponges, never let it be said that Russians can't learn. They took Wagner's prison brigade Bakhmut tactics and just replaced the prisoners with the new arrivals and use those guys to find the weak points in the Ukraine lines; someone has to get ventilated to find the gaps in the machinegun nests and it better its the fresh guys than the experienced guys - you'll need those experienced guys for the actual assault. Bonus points the few mobliks who do survive locating the Ukrainian postions will eventually become experienced guys.

We have five times as many people as they do, comrade, plus all of North Korea. Stategy works.

Also, um, excuse me NAFOtard I have been informed from the finest Vatnigger sources that is is UKRAINE that is packing their army with olds and super young because they are running out of people. I can't believe you are posting this untrue cope because Russia Stronk.

Two Russian tankers sank in the Kerch Strait (as far as anyone knows, without outside interference).

"Our Sabotage teams reported 'We can't do anything that they aren't already doing' and returned home"

Just typical Russian maintenance + a storm. It's not even the first time it's happened. I do like the official statement desperately trying to undersell how bad shit is as usual:

Nyet comrade, you are not thinkings with proper Russian brain. Is not sinking, is going to refuel submarines. Western Pigdogs jealous of advanced Russian technology.

A T-54B loss, Donetsk direction.

Excuse me these are T-14 tanks with camouflage kits. Only a total retard would believe Russia, who is stronk and the 2nd most powerful army in the world, would be deploying tanks developed while Stalin was still alive to a modern battlefield after bolting ERA to them. That is something a nation losing a war, like Ukraine, would do.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

Hey guys remember how as 2007 was coming around, and it was almost one month after the 1000th day of the invasion of Iraq, that the US still was bogged down in trench warfare with the Iraqis and still hadn't managed to dislodge the Iraqi's counter attack from Northern Maine? Remember how Iraq managed to hit some refineries so in response the US launched a bunch of tomahawks into the Iraqi electrical grid and it was viewed as a huge show of strength and not a hissyfit tantrum because they weren't able to do anything else like hit military targets?

Also rememeber how the US was so utterly spent from fighting Iraq for three years that when a civil war overthrew the president of the Philippines the only thing the US could do was bomb some hospitals and civilian buildings where hours before there had been rebels, and offer the leader assylum? Then the US airforce just cowered in their bases while the navy sailed off until Indonesia negotiated safe-passage so they just packed up everything and left? Remember how this utterly fucked the US's strategic plans for SEA, and everyone THOUGHT it made the US looked like a cucked, failing nation unable to protect allies?

But of course it all turned out actually be 5-D chess by Dubya.

You forgot the bit about how the Lebanese Air Force sank the Philippine Navy at anchor while the revolutionary government appealed to the UN.

 

[MG-34]

Dead Zigger storage in Kursk

So are these Z-niggers and gooks dying of exposure? Not a single corpse looks torn up from combat unless that entire row of corpses got their insides turned to jelly from shockwaves and was dropped off at a single CCP.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

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[No. 7 cat]

Something a bit more light-hearted Ukrainian scout Alexandr Liashuk and his very tame cat

Alexandr is to a great extent an entertainer doing his thing for morale, even doing ads, but cats do have a place in Ukrainian trenches

 

[Exterminatus]

At this rate I am convinced we will be fighting on mars and still strapping M2 Brownings to everything. I guess if it works it works.

John Browning sitting in heaven content that his designs will continue being used for the next 100 years

"Russian Forces Appear To Be Pulling Out Of Prized Syrian Air Base"

"Will Russia lose military bases in Syria?" [in Russian]


Russian grandads with AK-12s (vastly superior to any tranny NATO rifle, xaxaxa, even a Russian boomer with frostbitten fingers can reload it in mere seconds) being the next human wave, making sure churkas in Moscow need not bleed in their place:
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Россия is truly fighting for the third world.

Russian boomers idolize the Soviet Union, it's only fair they get to experience time on the Eastern Front

So are these Z-niggers and gooks dying of exposure? Not a single corpse looks torn up from combat unless that entire row of corpses got their insides turned to jelly from shockwaves and was dropped off at a single CCP.

Given the abysmal state of Russian logistics, I could actually see lots of them freezing to death because winter clothing is a scheme by capitalist NAFO trannies

 

[World in Scarlet]

So are these Z-niggers and gooks dying of exposure? Not a single corpse looks torn up from combat unless that entire row of corpses got their insides turned to jelly from shockwaves and was dropped off at a single CCP.

They gather them like this for retrieval. Someone will eventually bag them and remove them.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I found this YT milsperg, sucking pure vatnik copium straight from Russian Telegram channels:

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Ukrainian Engineers Boost the M113 Armored Personnel Carrier with Advanced Firepower:

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Edit: Big badaboom at ammo dump in Tartus, from an Israeli airstrike.

 

[thx1138]

Hey guys remember how as 2007 was coming around, and it was almost one month after the 1000th day of the invasion of Iraq, that the US still was bogged down in trench warfare with the Iraqis and still hadn't managed to dislodge the Iraqi's counter attack from Northern Maine? Remember how Iraq managed to hit some refineries so in response the US launched a bunch of tomahawks into the Iraqi electrical grid and it was viewed as a huge show of strength and not a hissyfit tantrum because they weren't able to do anything else like hit military targets?

Also rememeber how the US was so utterly spent from fighting Iraq for three years that when a civil war overthrew the president of the Philippines the only thing the US could do was bomb some hospitals and civilian buildings where hours before there had been rebels, and offer the leader assylum? Then the US airforce just cowered in their bases while the navy sailed off until Indonesia negotiated safe-passage so they just packed up everything and left? Remember how this utterly fucked the US's strategic plans for SEA, and everyone THOUGHT it made the US looked like a cucked, failing nation unable to protect allies?

But of course it all turned out actually be 5-D chess by Dubya.

Only after we'd lost two dozen F22s, 60 F15s, a Los Angeles class attack submarine, an Arleigh Burke class missile frigate, a bunch of RO-ROs, 2000 M1s, another few hundred M60A3 TTS' (because we had to pull those out of mothballs) and a fair few M48A5s (ditto), untold M2s and M113s, Patriot batteries, and a couple of B52s destroyed on the ground.

 

[Ghostse]

"engage targets from the safety of the vehicle’s interior. "
Its a 113, I feel like they need to add a 'comparative' onto that 'safety'.
Of course when the competition is the BMP "Doors are fuel tanks".......

Only after we'd lost two dozen F22s, 60 F15s, a Los Angeles class attack submarine, an Arleigh Burke class missile frigate, a bunch of RO-ROs, 2000 M1s, another few hundred M60A3 TTS' (because we had to pull those out of mothballs) and a fair few M48A5s (ditto), untold M2s and M113s, Patriot batteries, and a couple of B52s destroyed on the ground.

Listen here the M48 is an excellent tank its not not all shameful or a complete humiliation that it became the US's primary tank during the special military operation in Iraq. It had absolutely nothing to do with the level of vehicle destruction enacted on US troops, nor the absolute piss-poor state of storage for vehicles in the US army. It was a total show of strength about how strong the US was that they only needed a cold war tank and it is certainly NOT cope.

Dead Zigger storage in Kursk.
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You can't build a cauldron without breaking a few eggs.

 

[Melmac_Knight]

Elderly Russians getting trained.
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the real army has arrived, RIP Ukraine