Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Apparently a recently formed Ukrainian "155th Infantry" mass deserted. And many surrendered to the Russians.
They received their training in France. 🏳️

Edit:
https://globaleuronews.com/2024/12/...aped-from-the-anna-kievskaya-brigade-butusov/

They left in the French way: More than a thousand soldiers escaped from the Anna Kievskaya brigade – Butusov​

12/15/2024
More than a thousand servicemen of the AFU arbitrarily left the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, trained in France, transferred near Pokrovsk. This was stated by Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov.
Butusov told the details of the scandal in the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, in which the other day changed the command. According to some reports, the scandal began after the Russian Armed Forces broke through south of Pokrovsk.
According to Butusov, the command of the OK “West” and the Ground Forces decided to “make a show” by filling the brigade with forcibly conscripted people without proper training.
“Several thousand people were recruited to the brigade literally from the street, the so-called bussified. They were dressed in uniforms and claimed to be a full-fledged brigade. A competent commander was put there, but he was not given time to create a cohesive team. As a result, there were many cases of unauthorized abandonment of the unit among those who were forced into the brigade,” Butusov said, as quoted by Strana.
According to him, more than a thousand people left the unit unauthorized and “immediately after their arrival went home”. Responsibility for this was put on the combrig and he was removed from his post.
“This is a typical style of our leaders, who are not responsible for their decisions, and people are just expendable material for them,” Butusov stated.
 
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Apparently a recently formed Ukrainian "155th Infantry" mass deserted. And many surrendered to the Russians.
They received their training in France. 🏳️

Edit:
https://globaleuronews.com/2024/12/...aped-from-the-anna-kievskaya-brigade-butusov/

They left in the French way: More than a thousand soldiers escaped from the Anna Kievskaya brigade – Butusov​

12/15/2024
More than a thousand servicemen of the AFU arbitrarily left the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, trained in France, transferred near Pokrovsk. This was stated by Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov.
Butusov told the details of the scandal in the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, in which the other day changed the command. According to some reports, the scandal began after the Russian Armed Forces broke through south of Pokrovsk.
According to Butusov, the command of the OK “West” and the Ground Forces decided to “make a show” by filling the brigade with forcibly conscripted people without proper training.

According to him, more than a thousand people left the unit unauthorized and “immediately after their arrival went home”. Responsibility for this was put on the combrig and he was removed from his post.
they learned the best French techniques
 
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Think the only aircraft with a 6th gen nozzle is the Su-57, the UK is going to embarrass itself because I don't even think Rolls Royce ever displayed round serrated (teeth at the end of engines) nozzle engine design most 5th gen aircrafts display (excluding 2). I am still waiting for Ukraine to use the F-16s for any kind of combat because they are still at the end of the list after ATACMs was the last known wonder weapon for this war.
 
Think the only aircraft with a 6th gen nozzle is the Su-57, the UK is going to embarrass itself because I don't even think Rolls Royce ever displayed round serrated (teeth at the end of engines) nozzle engine design most 5th gen aircrafts display (excluding 2). I am still waiting for Ukraine to use the F-16s for any kind of combat because they are still at the end of the list after ATACMs was the last known wonder weapon for this war.
Honestly they were probably destroyed, either by being shot down or bombed or just shitty maintenance and trying to take off on a runway with a pebble on it
 
Apparently a recently formed Ukrainian "155th Infantry" mass deserted. And many surrendered to the Russians.
They received their training in France. 🏳️

Edit:
https://globaleuronews.com/2024/12/...aped-from-the-anna-kievskaya-brigade-butusov/

They left in the French way: More than a thousand soldiers escaped from the Anna Kievskaya brigade – Butusov​

12/15/2024
More than a thousand servicemen of the AFU arbitrarily left the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, trained in France, transferred near Pokrovsk. This was stated by Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov.
Butusov told the details of the scandal in the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, in which the other day changed the command. According to some reports, the scandal began after the Russian Armed Forces broke through south of Pokrovsk.
According to Butusov, the command of the OK “West” and the Ground Forces decided to “make a show” by filling the brigade with forcibly conscripted people without proper training.

According to him, more than a thousand people left the unit unauthorized and “immediately after their arrival went home”. Responsibility for this was put on the combrig and he was removed from his post.
But I thought Ukrainians are so proud of their beautiful language. Why did they not named it Anna kyivskyaya? Why Kievskaya? It's a кiцiпскii name. How can this affront has happened?
 
Russia is slowly decoupling from China. Massive tariff on furniture and rail parts (rofl). Highly than European imports. Perhaps the peace deal is already in the works.


With less than 30 days til Trump presidency, Trump is already pressuring Ukraine to stop firing ATACM into Russia.


Russia has so much to benefit from trading with Europe/USA than China. China produces and exports inferior shit that Russians don't even want.

I don't think that is a good idea. It will leave them at the mercy of the next democrat administration at best.

Unless Syria has really rattled them and the Russian Mod are panicking, I don't see why they should take this long term gamble. Europe isn't in a good place to buy anything.

Apparently a recently formed Ukrainian "155th Infantry" mass deserted. And many surrendered to the Russians.
They received their training in France. 🏳️

Edit:
https://globaleuronews.com/2024/12/...aped-from-the-anna-kievskaya-brigade-butusov/

They left in the French way: More than a thousand soldiers escaped from the Anna Kievskaya brigade – Butusov​

12/15/2024
More than a thousand servicemen of the AFU arbitrarily left the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, trained in France, transferred near Pokrovsk. This was stated by Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov.
Butusov told the details of the scandal in the 155th brigade “Anna Kievskaya”, in which the other day changed the command. According to some reports, the scandal began after the Russian Armed Forces broke through south of Pokrovsk.
According to Butusov, the command of the OK “West” and the Ground Forces decided to “make a show” by filling the brigade with forcibly conscripted people without proper training.

According to him, more than a thousand people left the unit unauthorized and “immediately after their arrival went home”. Responsibility for this was put on the combrig and he was removed from his post.
they learned the best French techniques
Macron must be proud, they showed the French spirit can triumph in any land.
 
I don't think that is a good idea. It will leave them at the mercy of the next democrat administration at best.
Well it’s not happening. The article describes an import tax on a particular kind of furniture component, which is probably some bureaucratic nonsense.

Russia isn’t decoupling from China. They’re neighbors ffs.

And with Europe and America rapidly being deindustrialized, there’s no real alternative anyways.

Western cars used to be a big export to Russia. After 2022 the Russians switched to alternatives, especially Chinese cars, and found out that they’re not missing out on anything. There are very few things that the West can produce that China can’t.

Machine tools and telecom equipment used to be some of those. Over the last decade, the Chinese have mostly caught up.
Unless Syria has really rattled them and the Russian Mod are panicking, I don't see why they should take this long term gamble. Europe isn't in a good place to buy anything.
Nah, they’re not. First of all, there’s a good chance the Russian bases will remain.

Secondly, the Russian investment was always limited and also pretty controversial inside the MoD. The reaction, EVEN if they lose them, is more likely to be: “Told you so!”instead of panic.

(There are still some who remember the Soviet investments in Egypt.)
 

Four Scenarios for Ukraine’s Endgame​

Almost three years after Vladimir Putin ordered Russia’s troops to invade Ukraine, the war is entering what could be its final phase, and a deal to end it seems likelier than ever.
Ukraine is struggling: It has been steadily losing ground since the summer, its army faces an increasingly severe shortage of soldiers, and Russia has gained six times more territory so far this year than it did in all of 2023. After long vowing not to cede any territory to Russia, Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, recently acknowledged that Ukraine’s army right now lacks the strength to liberate all of the land Russia occupies and broached the idea of postponing that goal in return for NATO membership. A recent Gallup poll revealed that some 52 percent of Ukrainians favor a quick, negotiated end to the war, compared with only 27 percent last year.
Ukrainians are battle-weary, but Russia, too, has problems. Ukraine and its allies estimate that the Russian Army’s dead and wounded could be around 700,000, and geolocated tallies have suggested that more than 14,000 pieces of Russian military equipment have been destroyed. Casualties — which Britain’s ministry of defense estimated to average around 1,500 a day in the first half of November — and losses of weaponry on this scale cannot be sustained indefinitely.
Russia’s economy is also showing the strain. The Russian central bank projects that growth will fall sharply next year, to as low as 0.5 percent. The central bank says inflation is 8.54 percent — it raised interest rates to a punishing 21 percent in October — but some private surveys suggest it may be at least twice that. At the end of November the ruble dropped to its lowest level since March 2022. The cost of basic food items such as butter, cabbage and potatoes has soared, and some stores have started storing butter packets in locked cabinets to prevent theft.

Despite pouring vast resources into the war, Mr. Putin still does not control all of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia provinces in Ukraine, which, together with Luhansk, are part of his declared goals. He, too, has begun to outline his terms for a cease-fire — even as his troops push forward and before he has managed to fully eject Ukrainian troops from the parts of Russia’s Kursk province that they overran in an audacious gambit in August.

Donald Trump’s imminent return to the White House has put everyone on notice. Mr. Trump has vowed to end the war quickly and will not lack leverage to do so — he can halt military aid to Ukraine if it won’t negotiate and increase it if Mr. Putin refuses to come to the table. But, though various proposals for a deal have been floated privately and publicly, it’s not clear that Mr. Trump has a workable plan.
Still, a deal will eventually be done, so it’s time to plan for the postwar phase. Whatever is agreed, Ukraine will continue to adjoin a large and powerful neighbor that could attack again. Talk has therefore turned to security guarantees if Mr. Putin flouts the terms of a political settlement. When Mr. Zelensky met with Mr. Trump and President Emmanuel Macron of France in Paris this month — Mr. Zelensky’s first in-person meeting with Mr. Trump since the election — he apparently used the opportunity to press the importance of such assurances.
Here are four possible scenarios for Ukraine’s future security.
Mr. Zelensky wants NATO membership, but this hope will probably remain unfulfilled. Unanimity is required to admit a new member to NATO, and the closest the alliance has come to being of one mind on Ukraine was in 2008, when it announced that Ukraine would join its ranks at some unspecified future date. That vagueness owed to divisions that persist today: At least seven NATO countries are reported to oppose Ukraine’s entry or want to defer it indefinitely, including the United States — Mr. Trump’s top advisers have said that membership is off the table.
Alternatively, a coalition of the willing could pledge to protect Ukraine. The trouble is that Ukraine will want the United States to be among the guarantors. It views NATO as essentially a U.S. guarantee of protection and won’t consider any coalition reliable unless it’s fortified by American troops and weaponry. Mr. Trump, who seeks not only to end the war without making any promise to protect Ukraine, but also to reduce America’s security commitments in Europe in general, is unlikely to sign off on any such arrangement.

Mr. Trump’s statements and the people he has picked for the most senior positions in foreign policy and national security suggest that American military power will increasingly be directed toward the Asia-Pacific to counter China. Moreover, for simple geographic reasons, Ukraine’s security will always matter more to Europeans than to Americans. It’s therefore prudent to anticipate a reduced American military role in Europe that will require Europeans to, at minimum, carry more of the burden for their defense, perhaps even the primary responsibility for protecting Ukraine.
What might an endgame in which Europe takes the lead look like? Several European nations have discussed the possibility of stationing troops in postwar Ukraine. Last week,Mr. Macron, who has stressed that Europe must do more for its own defense, met with Poland’s president, Donald Tusk, to discuss deploying European soldiers in Ukraine following a peace settlement. Mr. Tusk later said his country was “not planning any such actions,” even following a cease-fire. In short, there have been talks about a European security guarantee, but no decision.
Another possible model — call it armed neutrality — will be the one Ukraine least prefers. It would require Russia to pledge not to attack Ukraine and for Ukraine to forswear both NATO membership and the deployment of foreign troops and armaments on its soil. Armed neutrality would leave Ukraine more vulnerable compared with the other solutions. It may also be the most achievable outcome. Mr. Putin has said neutrality is essential for “good-neighborly relations.” It may be hard to imagine good-neighborly relations in any circumstances, but Russia’s significant battlefield successes, particularly in the past few months, mean that Mr. Putin will be able to drive a hard bargain.
Ukraine cannot rely on a Russian promise of nonaggression and should maximize its security if armed neutrality is the outcome. It can and should reject any limits on the size of its army — something Russia insisted on during failed negotiations in 2022 — or on the conventional weapons that it can acquire or build. European countries, which are already training Ukraine’s troops and investing in its defense industries, can do more on both fronts. Ukraine has demonstrated it is a formidable adversary, and if its experienced, battle-tested army can be made stronger and better equipped, Russia will have to reckon with a much more powerful adversary.
After more than 1,000 days of a war that has killed thousands, displaced millions and destroyed large parts of Ukraine, the end may be approaching. But for a durable peace, rather than a freeze that’s just long enough for Russia to regroup and reattack, it’s what comes afterward that counts.
 
But for a durable peace, rather than a freeze that’s just long enough for Russia to regroup and reattack, it’s what comes afterward that counts.
The journalist quotes Zelensky who said he will not cede any territories first, then says "Russia will have to reckon with a much more powerful adversary", then alleges that it is Russia that will regroup and reattack after a freeze. And sees absolutely nothing wrong with these adjacent statements.
 
If you're on chrome you can manually change your location. Did that years ago to make Skype work, don't know if it is possible anymore or on a phone.
Used the VPN inside Brave and it did the trick!

Just not sure if I want to pay 8$ a month for it lol… BTW: Totally unrelated to any Ukraine war stuff, but the Brave VPN didn’t work with my Prime. (As in, it detected the VPN. Is there any workaround for this? Do Prime/Netflix catch all VPNs?)

Man, maybe I should just move to Russia where they don’t care about piracy as much.
 
BTW: Totally unrelated to any Ukraine war stuff, but the Brave VPN didn’t work with my Prime. (As in, it detected the VPN. Is there any workaround for this? Do Prime/Netflix catch all VPNs?)
They most likely use a more comprehensive device fingerprint than just looking at your IP address.
 
Used the VPN inside Brave and it did the trick!

Just not sure if I want to pay 8$ a month for it lol… BTW: Totally unrelated to any Ukraine war stuff, but the Brave VPN didn’t work with my Prime. (As in, it detected the VPN. Is there any workaround for this? Do Prime/Netflix catch all VPNs?)

Man, maybe I should just move to Russia where they don’t care about piracy as much.
If you're phonefagging Prime might have access to your phone's gps. Remove it's location access. Might have to uninstall and deny it at install. VPN only changes your IP.
I had to spoof my GPS to get my new smart watch to turn on all its functionality because the EU are fucking faggots

Anyway, on n topic (kind of, this is the only thread to get reliable information regarding the Russians. The Syria thread was a shit show last time I looked), I'm confused as to why Russia took in Assad. He, by all accounts, flushed away all the blood and rubles they spent over the past decade away.

I don't buy that this is some 4d chess move either. Maybe it'll turn out ok, but I don't think this was planned per se

Also on the topic of this, historically, being a good thread, I'd like to see a "Russian General geopolitics" thread maintained, bit like the US one, when Ukraine finally winds down hopefully next year. There's a nice little nascent culture going on here and I'd like to thank all the reasonable analysis and updating posts people do on here.
 
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If you're phonefagging Prime might have access to your phone's gps. Remove it's location access. Might have to uninstall and deny it at install. VPN only changes your IP.
I had to spoof my GPS to get my new smart watch to turn on all its functionality because the EU are fucking faggots

Anyway, on n topic (kind of, this is the only thread to get reliable information regarding the Russians. The Syria thread was a shit show last time I looked), I'm confused as to why Russia took in Assad. He, by all accounts, flushed away all the blood and rubles they spent over the past decade away.

I don't buy that this is some 4d chess move either. Maybe it'll turn out ok, but I don't think this was planned per se

Also on the topic of this, historically, being a good thread, I'd like to see a "Russian General geopolitics" thread maintained, bit like the US one, when Ukraine finally winds down hopefully next year. There's a nice little nascent culture going on here and I'd like to thank all the reasonable analysis and updating posts people do on here.
I’ll post later about some of the takes on Syria re Russia I’ve seen, but if you’d like to know more I can recommend a podcast called The Duran.
 
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