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[fukefacedog]

personal belief or a persistent theory discussed by many? It's a bit hard to tell from your phrasing.

100% personal.

I also have no formal background in physics. In fact, I don't even have post secondary. I was actually held back a grade. My IQ does not exceed 110, and I smoked an immense amount of Cannabis throughout high school.

If I was to toot my own horn, the reason why I think I am able to think about these things is simply because I'm a childless faggot with a lot of time on my hands. I grew up during a period where I was able to learn how to pirate what I needed for free despite my low income so I can get whatever materials I need, and because I have a knack for complex instrumentals. I think it is largely my background in production that allows me to be able to visualize multiple manifolds in my minds eye. I'm also German by ethnicity and music as a discipline as we know it today was standardized in Germany first, so I suspect I might have a genetic component as well in terms of helping me visualize and manipulate these things in my mind.

Energy Weapons are at an even higher classification than Nuclear bombs, from what i've heard. If i'm right about this stating it publicly could be a problem.

While I am "hyperactive", I believe my average IQ allows me a certain level of mental stability. The higher up you go in IQ the more likely you start to run into problems like schizophrenia, Feynman actually had a very average IQ too btw. My family history has no such issues with later life cognitive decline. I like to clown around but when people ask me things directly I give them honest responses.

If you guys start to notice my cognition slip, it won't be because of anything genetic, and while I experimented with drugs in my younger years, I haven't touched them for well over a decade at this point. I live very clean today and have no desire to return to my days as a psychonaut. I get blood tests, i'm fit. There is no reason that my cognition should slip.

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Here is what I think is happening.


The classic Sagan flatland. The concept of us seeing 3 dimensional projections of higher dimensional objects.

The fact that the only thing that ever exists, the only thing that can exist, is sine waves.

Sawtooth waves don't exist, they're just made up of sine waves if you look at them closely. Same with Square Waves, if you look at them closely they are just Sine waves. You guys remember my big sperg about Digital vs. Analog right? Same sentiment.

The only thing that exists, in all of nature, everywhere, for all time, is the Sine Wave. Even outside of our own universe if there is such a thing.

Everything is a Sine Wave.

If you understand this, you understand everything.

So what is a Scaler Wave? It's just a Flat Line. It is a type of sine wave that extends infinitely in flat planes. Scaler waves represent a single-frequency sine wave that propagates through space with uniform amplitude and direction.

Okay so you shoot a single-frequency sine wave that propagates through space with uniform amplitude and direction at somebody, what's going to happen?

What I think is happening is that it is disrupting Electron Orbitals.


If you look at either Orbital Shapes or Field Lines what you find is Symmetry in their Spatial Patterns. What I mean by this is that a Electron at its lowest energy level, like the one on the top left there, is simply just a sphere, and it's the same when you look at Field lines, lowest level is a sphere. As you increase the energy levels, the shape becomes more complex, generally. I think sometimes the higher structures stack on top of each other and the projection just looks simpler in some instances.

It's also important to note that those Orbitals; aka probability distributions, have something called Nodes. Those are the dark areas. When retarded people talk about Quantum Mechanics they always say shit like "anything is possible" like a retard, but it's not, those dark spots are Nodes. The Electron will not be found there. Ever.

Those structures are real.

Those structures inform how our bodies work. How they connect. How they function.

It is my personal belief that those structures are simply 3 dimensional projections of higher dimensional objects.

You increase the energy level, you increase the complexity of these higher dimensional objects.

So what happens if you start fucking with those higher dimensional structures?

What happens if you start shooting Scaler Waves at them?

You fuck em up.

Things start to stop working the way their supposed to.

Is it permanent?

I don't know. I don't think fucking those fundamental structures up is a good idea, that's all I know.

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Just a shot in the dark.

I might have no idea what i'm talking about.

It would be better for me if i'm wrong.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Please do. Havana syndrome being involved is making me curious. Also, is this a personal belief or a persistent theory discussed by many? It's a bit hard to tell from your phrasing.

"Havana syndrome" is linked to the UAP topic sometimes. The "Five Observables" became the "Six Observables", with the sixth referring to supposed (usually negative) health effects experienced by UAP witnesses/bystanders.

https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/2610/text

(22) Unidentified anomalous phenomena.--
(A) In general.--The term ``unidentified anomalous
phenomena'' means any object operating or judged capable of
operating in outer-space, the atmosphere, ocean surfaces, or
undersea lacking prosaic attribution due to performance
characteristics and properties not previously known to be
achievable based upon commonly accepted physical principles.
Unidentified anomalous phenomena are differentiated from both
attributed and temporarily non-attributed objects by one or
more of the following observables:
(i) Instantaneous acceleration absent apparent inertia.
(ii) Hypersonic velocity absent a thermal signature and
sonic shockwave.
(iii) Transmedium (such as space-to-ground and air-to-
undersea) travel.
(iv) Positive lift contrary to known aerodynamic
principles.
(v) Multispectral signature control.
(vi) Physical or invasive biological effects to close
observers and the environment.

Search "Havana" in the thread to find more. It's widely believed (well, not on KF) that Russian agents have been hitting Trump/Biden administration officials with some kind of beam weapon that causes issues associated with Havana syndrome. If you wanted to go real crazy, you could say that the Russians (who are suspected of having their own crash retrieval and reverse engineering program, along with China rounding out the big three) derived the technology from alien technology and #weaponized it.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/report-adversary-responsible-for-havana-syndrome-attacks.188060/

I haven't heard about the demon face thing, but if something is causing you brain damage/disruption, I guess that's on the table.

 

[888Flux]

If you wanted to go real crazy, you could say that the Russians (who are suspected of having their own crash retrieval and reverse engineering program, along with China rounding out the big three) derived the technology from alien technology and #weaponized it.

What I don't understand is "crash" or "crash retrieval program". Didn't the Grusch testimony also mention something about this, non-human biologics, etc?

Why would something so sophisticated crash. Why would it even be piloted in the first place. What theories are there for that?

 

[MrReeShopper]

My current running theory is that these craft, if they are real, and Havan Syndrome, which is definitely real, are being caused by Planar Waves, which are only theoretical at the moment:

Now I'm curious. What do you mean by "... Planar waves, which are only theoretical..."? Plane waves are used in Fourier optics to model the wavefront of a light source "sufficiently" far away - the diagrams you show are a nice model of this. They are used to model (at least) various diffraction effects. The Fresnel and Airy rings I posted about earlier are examples of the use of Fourier optics to model the wavefront propagated from a point source passing through a circular aperture. You can see some examples here.

Do you mean the use of plane waves in some other area is "only theoretical"? If so, which area? They're a fairly natural simplification of any circular propagating wave at a sufficient distance. So, wave of what/in what?

BTW I'm only vaguely aware of this stuff, and certainly no physicist. Surely we have some physicists around? This all looks like undergrad stuff to me, though I suppose it could be specialized. I'd expect various spectral methods like this to be bread and butter for physicists and engineers.

Edit: more precise language on wavefront from a point source.

 

[The Gene Genie]

On today's episode of "The Shifting Script," John Kirby now says that the drones are actually aircraft and drones operated by law enforcement and the military, as well as hobbyists, and it's all perfectly legal and lawful.

If anyone believes this retard, turn in your brain card.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

What I don't understand is "crash" or "crash retrieval program". Didn't the Grusch testimony also mention something about this, non-human biologics, etc?

Why would something so sophisticated crash. Why would it even be piloted in the first place. What theories are there for that?

1. David Grusch and others have repeatedly used the phrase "crashed or landed", implying that some are not crashed but are abandoned intact, left as "gifts", etc. If the drone-like alien NHI craft are considered disposable like NASA probes, that might explain why they end up grounded. Lue Elizondo has also been saying that some craft are ablative, i.e. the structure is made up of "fuel". They might not be expected to return to where they came from.

2. My take: Consider the Voyager spacecraft. They are moving through space nearly completely unmolested aside from some sparse atoms of hydrogen. If the Voyager spacecraft were to enter Earth's atmosphere at its current velocity, it would burn up instantly. Craft that survive being crisped could get hit by lightning or something. My point is that Earth's atmosphere (or any atmosphere) is a harsh environment compared to trillions of miles of empty space. Things could go wrong.

 

[goh]

Why would something so sophisticated crash. Why would it even be piloted in the first place. What theories are there for that?

My pet theory, assuming UAPs are truly extraterrestrial in origin, is that UAPs are Von Neumann probes. In short, the craft are designed to self-replicate, which allows their reach and range to grow exponentially. Craft would need to extract resources locally in order to reproduce.

Assuming that's the case, NHI could be biological organisms manufactured using the same process. UAPs would collect genetic material from the local flora and fauna and use that to create worker bees essentially.

2. My take: Consider the Voyager spacecraft. They are moving through space nearly completely unmolested aside from some sparse atoms of hydrogen. If the Voyager spacecraft were to enter Earth's atmosphere at its current velocity, it would burn up instantly. Craft that survive being crisped could get hit by lightning or something. My point is that Earth's atmosphere (or any atmosphere) is a harsh environment compared to trillions of miles of empty space. Things could go wrong.

Agreed. Just because UAPs can hypothetically bend the laws of physics doesn't mean they can break them. Entropy still exists, and we've seen no evidence that matter can be created or destroyed.

Moreover, I'd argue that you could apply the same logic to our technology. Helicopters are pretty advanced, but you wouldn't want to fly one over North Sentinel Island where savages can throw spears at the blades. For example, maybe UAPs can block or dodge missiles and bullets. That doesn't mean they're invulnerable, and that doesn't mean accidents don't happen. Also, if a few UAPs crash on Earth, who cares if there are several quintillion floating around space? Let the monkeys on Earth fight over it. It would be like getting mad over a skin cell getting scratched off.

 

[fukefacedog]

Sorry I meant Scaler. Scaler Waves.

I'm pretty tired right now.

I'm trying to slow down a bit and catch my breath.

If a mod could fix that for me I'd appreciate it but if not that's fine. I'm too tired to care right now.

Edit: nevermind I did fix it lol

 

[clipartfan92]

Imagine living this close to a major airport and never noticing the planes coming and going every couple minutes.

I think one reason this happens is due to smoking cigarettes being less common and smartphones being more commonplace. In the past decades, people would step outside to have a smoke. You smoked and looked around at the surroundings most of the time, even if you were chatting with someone. Less smokers outdoors = less eyes on the sky. Combine that with everyone constantly staring at their cellphone and people are even more unaware of their surroundings.

 

[Omori Boy]

I think one reason this happens is due to smoking cigarettes being less common and smartphones being more commonplace. In the past decades, people would step outside to have a smoke. You smoked and looked around at the surroundings most of the time, even if you were chatting with someone. Less smokers outdoors = less eyes on the sky. Combine that with everyone constantly staring at their cellphone and people are even more unaware of their surroundings.

Kinda reminds of when the earthquake hit LA in the 80's and people started panicking because the power was out and they saw the Milky Way for the first time.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

@GradeAGobbleDeeGook

Spoiler: The Program and Jason Sands

James Fox's docu The Program is finally out as of December 16. It sounds like a real stinker, and it should lay to rest any lingering notion of Jason Sands's credibility:

Sketch of NHI in military uniform without ears encountered by Jason Sands at Nellis (comments)

https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1hfcg3y/sketch_of_nhi_in_military_uniform_without_ears/

From James Fox's "The Program" that just came out. Sands said that the he spotted the being running awkwardly while driving. The being looked like a human with hypothermia because it had skin with white-to-bluish tint. He pulled over to help it out when his partner called out that this being had no ears. He said fear came over him when he noticed the lack of ears and large eyes, which were deep black and double the size of ours. He said it spoke in a language he didn't know but telepathically could understand and was looking for some material called tintillium/trintillium to help repair its ship.

We got a #rare Sergeant Pepe.

Just finished watching The Program (archive)

Jason Sands sketch in The Program traced from reddit users mockups

I just finished watching The Program, it was pretty good! Worth a watch, although not too much in it for real hardcore lurkers of this sub, although there is some stuff ive never seen..

It is my belief that Jason Sands mockup of the rams horn ufo he allegedly witnessed was based heavily based, but likely traced, on images created by reddit users after Michael Shellenbergers article or interview came out last year. I am linking the reddit post below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16wjxww/michael_shellenbergers_june_7_article_us_has_12/

Stolen (Reddit) Valor!

KUTV: Hill Air Force Base (Utah) confirms reports of drones over Davis County airspace (archive) (Reddit)

 

[Carnavoyeur]

More mysterious drones hover over parts of San Diego County (archive)

 

[BradeRunna]

I have been following the drone mystery. I think they are definitely foreign. The US government has places where it tests military hardware and aircraft. They wouldn't do it over a residential neighborhood. I was leaning towards them being Iranian and being launched from a ship off the coast of the US. Though the only proof I have heard of this is a cargo ship left Iran and hasn't been seen or heard of for a while. But then I heard the drones were being seen on the West coast as well and even around certain places in Europe. Like being spotted hovering over a military base and nuclear facility in Britain for 16 nights in a row and recently they were seen over a military base in Germany as well.

This leads me to believe they are Russian. The Russians probably didn't make them, but they bought them from Iran or whatever. I have heard the drones are fairly large. About the size of a car or SUV. This is bigger than any hobbyist drone available to the public I believe. Drones of a certain size must be registered with the FAA and a flight plan must also be filed with the FAA. None of these drones are registered and they lack a flight plan. If they were civilian hobby drones, they could detect their signals and follow them to the person controlling them. But from what I understand they can't do this with these drones. They also don't have a thermal signature like normal drones.

But them appearing in Europea pretty much makes me think it's the Russians. Why would Iran fly drones around in Europe? That's the Russians area of interest. The Russians are super butt hurt about how their war in Ukraine has gone for them. They are really not happy. So, they fly some long-range recon drones over parts of the US and Europe in hopes of freaking people out and the government and media reporting them as Russian drones. Remember Putin made threats about the war coming home and it's not surprising that this happened after the Biden regime gave the green light to the Ukrainians to use the ATACM missiles in Russia.

But why aren't they taking the drones down and reporting them as Russian drones? It's because of the war and they don't want anymore problems. They are covering this up. Supporting Ukraine in the proxy war is already unpopular but most Americans don't care too much as long as it doesn't impact them. But if it becomes known that the Russians are flying drones around the skies in the US and the US government is doing nothing about it then people will really get freaked out. The unpopular support for Ukraine will get even worse. It would create a big international/political situation. I imagine their plan is to play it down deny it as much as possible tell people they are planes or hobbyist with drones. Keep this going till Trump gets in office and he can deal with the mess.

Trump has said he would have the drones taken down. Imagine they get taken down and maybe 1 or 2 and they turn out to be Iranian drones controlled by Russians.

 

[Oxyjen]

I also have a (second preference) theory that it’s Russia, and they are launching from a submarine. They would be doing surveillance of key personnel, actual individuals with some role in the Pentagon or other entity which is assisting Ukraine. People who run the imaging satellites, that sort of thing. They could also be dropping small targeted explosives into things like fibre hubs, electricity substations etc. Blacking out the eastern seaboard while whacking a few dozen military functionaries would cause enough chaos to give them time to bomb Kiev into submission.

However if that is the case, I think the US government not doing anything about it yet is down to being caught on the hop. They are desperately trying to find the launch point and shut it down, as opposed to getting into a hot aerial war over New York.

 

[BradeRunna]

I also have a (second preference) theory that it’s Russia, and they are launching from a submarine. They would be doing surveillance of key personnel, actual individuals with some role in the Pentagon or other entity which is assisting Ukraine. People who run the imaging satellites, that sort of thing. They could also be dropping small targeted explosives into things like fibre hubs, electricity substations etc. Blacking out the eastern seaboard while whacking a few dozen military functionaries would cause enough chaos to give them time to bomb Kiev into submission.

However if that is the case, I think the US government not doing anything about it yet is down to being caught on the hop. They are desperately trying to find the launch point and shut it down, as opposed to getting into a hot aerial war over New York.

I would say they are coming from some kinds of civilian vessel either Russian or disguised as something other than Russian origin. Definitely not a submarine. It's a surface ship for sure IMO. The Soviets were known for using fishing trawlers as intelligence and spying platforms. They could be doing it from a fishing trawler.

I believe the government knows the origin of the drones. They know what they are and who is flying them, but they won't say it publicly.

 

[Expenses2999]

I also have a (second preference) theory that it’s Russia, and they are launching from a submarine.

No one is launching car sized drones from submarines. How is that logistically possible?

 

[Oxyjen]

No one is launching car sized drones from submarines. How is that logistically possible?

A delta class boat has 16 ballistic missile tubes, 1.8m diameter. That’s enough for a small car size drone, especially if the arms fold up.



With some adaptation it could possible to surface, pop some tubes open and have a mechanism in there to raise up a drone.

Recovering is going to be tricky, you’d need crew out on deck to help probably.

I’m only suggesting it because any other vessel is going to be very easy to detect, especially if it’s inside coastal waters.

 

[Sam Losco]

A delta class boat has 16 ballistic missile tubes, 1.8m diameter. That’s enough for a small car size drone, especially if the arms fold up.

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With some adaptation it could possible to surface, pop some tubes open and have a mechanism in there to raise up a drone.

Recovering is going to be tricky, you’d need crew out on deck to help probably.

I’m only suggesting it because any other vessel is going to be very easy to detect, especially if it’s inside coastal waters.

It's technically possible but I don't think Russia is capable. They had to make a deal with Iran to get those drones they are fond of using in Ukraine. By comparison those are simplistic drones to one that would need to be engineered to launch and recover from a submarine.

I think a not insignificant percentage of these Jersey sightings are legitimate aircraft. It's likely no one is checking flight tracking. And by the time you're seeing it on social media, it'll be pretty hard to determine the exact time it was recorded to match up with ADSB history. Another percentage at this point are faked in one way or another.

Also, something I've seen come up before, everyone seems to think military aircraft all have ADSB. Most combat aircraft (fighters and bombers, etc) don't have ADSB but still have traditional transponders. When you click on an aircraft on a tracking site like adsbexchange, under the signal section it lists the source as ADSB or MLAT. MLAT is a traditional transponder and the exact aircraft location is being triangulated.

Even if they have ADSB, guess what? They can turn it off.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I also have a (second preference) theory that it’s Russia, and they are launching from a submarine.

Guys, you're all wrong. I've figured it out. The drones are not actually drones. There's only one governmental body on this planet with enough technological advancement and power and resources to launch an operation like this and have it drag on for this long.

Spoiler: The Truth

It's clearly mother fucking Santa Claus. It makes perfect sense. They aren't foreign drones, they're North Pole Drones. After Joe Biden let all of those illegal immigrants into America, Santa's average workload in the US has doubled. On top of that these people are in shelters, hotels, or just wandering the damn street. They don't have chimneys or addresses. This has forced Santa's hand to move into the 2020s and start utilizing more advanced technology to deliver presents. Jack Kirby is 100% right, these are not drones. These are small manned air crafts piloted by the Elves to map out and locate illegal immigrant children who need presents delivered, and setting up a complex air fleet powered delivery system. It makes perfect sense. Why else would these UAPs show up in early December? It's clearly Santa mapping his territory for Christmas. Why New Jersey? Pull up that map of illegal immigrants again. NJ and NY are sanctuary states/cities with the highest concentrations of illegal immigrants in the country. Of course he'd start there. That's why the US Government isn't shooting them. The US Air Force has a special treaty and arrangement with Santa not to shoot down his aerial activities. That's why they can't tell us whether they're foreign or domestic either. Look, it was only a matter of time before a magic sleigh wouldn't cut it. The population is too big and vast. So, Santa naturally ripped the idea of aircraft deliveries off of Amazon and he doesn't want anyone to know. This year, Christmas will enter the modern era with the most advanced and efficient present delivery system the world has ever seen.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I don’t buy the foreign power theory too much. I find extremely unlikely the military would allow them to roam freely, and on top of that, deny they are a threat to the public. There would have to be an extraordinary reason.

The accusation is very serious. Invading other country’s air space is reason enough to start a war. And I find very, very unlikely Iran, China, and Russia would risk it to get information they could get free with google maps. And if they did, they would be as sneaky as possible about it. These UAPs might as well be Christmas lights.

I know it’s easy to forget as a civilian, but America is the top dog in the world and even the other superpowers dont want a direct fight if they can avoid it. Let alone Iran, or North Korea.