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LORD IMPERATOR said:
That's because the cartoon from the 2003 era had Mace crush Grievous' chest at the end. So no, he is not going to be as threatening in ROTS because he's been essentially crippled. And he still gave Kenobi the fight of his life; even after losing his lightsabers he still gives Kenobi trouble. if it hadn't been for that gun lying around, Kenobi would be dead, and Kenobi fucking hates guns. The man literally had to break his code just to kill Grievous. That doesn't seem like comic relief at all. They even shot a scene where Grievous kills Shaak Ti for kicks, before they pulled it and had her die in the SWEU instead. That is not Jar-Jar 2.0. It's just that instead of making him Kratos with lightsabers, they opted for the T-800 in Space, which worked just as well for a crippled Grievous suffering from immense chest pains.
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Nah, Grievous was a joke in RotS. He's literally a loser with a asthma that everyone in the movie clowns on, including Obi Wan. Obi Wan had a much tougher fight with Durge in the Tartakovsky Clone Wars than he did with Grievous in RotS, the whole fight with Obi Wan and Grievous in RotS was a comedy scene essentially. You can't use Grievous killing Shaak Ti as a proper example either because it was cut from the movie entirely, which is a shame because it's literally the ONLY scene shot for the movie where Grievous is menacing and someone is actually scared of him instead of saying one-liners and quips to him.

Again, George thought Grievous was too badass for his movie so he sissified him. George even retconned CW a bit for the movie and had the jedi not consider him a real threat and call Grievous a "coward" multiple times. I don't think this is how jedi would think of a guy who was brutally killing hundreds of jedi 24/7, and just days earlier (at most) he nearly killed 3 of their most powerful jedi sending them into critical condition. But George thought being a cartoonish sissy comic relief was a better characterization for the movie. George just wanted a new empty shell of a cartoon character for the jedi to dunk on, not a true threat as the character was supposed to be in his original form. (I don't give a shit if George "created" Grievous, Tartakovsky's Clone Wars is his first appearance so I consider that his proper version, not George's sissified version.) The actual direct reason why George made Grievous a joke is because he didn't want anyone else in the movie to be a threat besides Anakin, this is also the same reason Boba Fett was removed from the movie entirely. Boba Fett was originally going to be the one who kills Mace Windu but George decided he only wanted Anakin to be the main threat.

And I'll say it again in case you missed it in my previous post, the book Labyrinth of Evil which adapts the Coruscant War and ending to Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, never mentions Grievous getting his chest crushed like the cartoon, and the RotS book never mentions Grievous having a cough or injured lungs. I consider the book "EU Canon" and the movies just to be an adaption of that material (the novels were released first, suck it George) so in my mind Grievous never officially had his chest crushed. It's obvious that was only added in CW at last minute by George's request to nerf Grievous.
 
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BullfrogBill said:
Nah, Grievous was a joke in RotS. He's literally a loser with a asthma that everyone in the movie clowns on, including Obi Wan. Obi Wan had a much tougher fight with Durge in the Tartakovsky Clone Wars than he did with Grievous in RotS, the whole fight with Obi Wan and Grievous in RotS was a comedy scene essentially. You can't use Grievous killing Shaak Ti as a proper example either because it was cut from the movie entirely, which is a shame because it's literally the ONLY scene shot for the movie where Grievous is menacing and someone is actually scared of him instead of saying one-liners and quips to him.
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With Durge, Kenobi never had to break his leg or his code. With ROTS Grievous, he broke both just to win.

That doesn't seem like a joke to me.

Also, if you count Labyrinth of Evil as canon, then by default, the 2003 cartoon wouldn't be canon. It's either one or the other, you can't have both. Also, in Labyrinth of Evil, Sidious was mind-raping Grievous like a punk when the latter kidnapped "Chancellor Palpatine", so that's even more of a reason why he should be weaker; Sidious was fucking with his mind with the Force, which has a detrimental effect upon one's mind, as Carth Onasi would tell you back in KOTOR.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
With Durge, Kenobi never had to break his leg or his code. With ROTS Grievous, he broke both just to win.

That doesn't seem like a joke to me.

Also, if you count Labyrinth of Evil as canon, then by default, the 2003 cartoon wouldn't be canon. It's either one or the other, you can't have both. Also, in Labyrinth of Evil, Sidious was mind-raping Grievous like a punk when the latter kidnapped "Chancellor Palpatine", so that's even more of a reason why he should be weaker; Sidious was fucking with his mind with the Force, which has a detrimental effect upon one's mind, as Carth Onasi would tell you back in KOTOR.
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Obi wan didn't break his leg lol it was a gag for the kiddos to laugh at. Literally a joke. But with Durge Obi Wan literally nearly died and it was a serious fight. Obi Wan didn't have time for wisecracks until the fight was over because it was a serious threat.

You're right that I don't consider the cartoon canon since the important stuff was covered in Labyrinth of Evil and the Star Wars Republic comics and I do think that stuff is way better, but I still appreciate that show. I like the RotS movie too, it just doesn't compare to what the book is. All three of the prequel movies are extremely flawed compared to the books.
 
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This guy made a finale to this series of videos and I completely missed it until now
 
BullfrogBill said:
Obi wan didn't break his leg lol it was a gag for the kiddos to laugh at. Literally a joke. But with Durge Obi Wan literally nearly died and it was a serious fight. Obi Wan didn't have time for wisecracks until the fight was over because it was a serious threat.
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No, he didn't. With Durge, Kenobi was able to adapt on the fly for every counter Durge had. Durge uses shields, but Kenobi uses precision. Durge goes full hentai monster and swallows Kenobi, the latter answers with a Force repulse from inside. Meanwhile, against Grievous in ROTS, Kenobi was in a life-or-death struggle that saw him screaming in pain and breaking his own code of not using guns. Durge didn't push him that far.

BullfrogBill said:
You're right that I don't consider the cartoon canon since the important stuff was covered in Labyrinth of Evil and the Star Wars Republic comics and I do think that stuff is way better, but I still appreciate that show.
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Like I said, in Labyrinth of Evil, Sidious was fucking around with Grievous' mind, which would also impair his combat ability, since most of what he knows of combat is based on his memories of training with Dooku. Fucking around with someone's mind using the Force can impair a person's memory or destroy their very identity.

BullfrogBill said:
I like the RotS movie too, it just doesn't compare to what the book is. All three of the prequel movies are extremely flawed compared to the books.
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You can say the same thing for any movie. Not just the Prequels or Star Wars.

CaseyTatumm said:
This has been bugging me but how did the Ewoks never start a forest fire
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They probably did in the past, and learned not to let flames go out of control. You don't live in a jungle environment for thousands of years without learning a thing or two.
 
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I disagree on the midiclorians, it was unnecessary. A better approach would be just the old "it is often hereditary" and leave it at that.

I agree on droids. Battledroids have been in Star Wars for some time. IG-88 and the probe droid are combat models. Fighting robots are a very common sci fi staple.

B1s were fine in EP1, but they got flanderized. Especially by Filoni, they became a joke that even Jar Jar would not be afraid of them.

They went from an individually weak, but mindless and tireless horde of replacable corporate drones to 3 stooges that can barely be counted on not to accidentally kill each other, much less fight any soldier.
 
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Male Idiot said:
I disagree on the midiclorians, it was unnecessary. A better approach would be just the old "it is often hereditary" and leave it at that.
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That doesn't even change much at all.

Male Idiot said:
I agree on droids. Battledroids have been in Star Wars for some time. IG-88 and the probe droid are combat models. Fighting robots are a very common sci fi staple.
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Not to mention there were battle droids in comics and novels older than the PT in SW. So it fits.

Male Idiot said:
B1s were fine in EP1, but they got flanderized. Especially by Filoni, they became a joke that even Jar Jar would not be afraid of them. They went from an individually weak, but mindless and tireless horde of replacable corporate drones to 3 stooges that can barely be counted on not to accidentally kill each other, much less fight any soldier.
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In EP1, they were cold, unfeeling, and effective at fighting other armies. Filoni turned them into a joke.
 
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Labyrinth of Evil is so goofy. The first fifty pages are about a walking chair running away cartoonishly, then the finale is Grievous hovering around in the air like spinning pinwheel. Also there are jabs at George Dubya in there, with obvious shit like Bail Organa claiming they have a living constitution. "Ha, Star Wars has a liberal bent" is something I remember one of the NPCs on the force.net forums saying at the time.

Anyway, droidekas are the best droids and B1s are the most useless shit ever.
 
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King Dead said:
Yeah, of course nearly all the main characters are girls because Star Wars can't be for boys anymore, but beyond that it seems not to be hammering you over the head with wokeshit, or at least that's my impression from reviews because I'm still not wasting my time with anything Disney releases. Even so, nobody will be talking about it at all in a couple months after it's all said and done. Note how The Acolyte is basically dead to the general public, and that at least was dumb enough to be mockable for a bit.
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Acolyte and Skeleton Crew offend me personally because I've had the idea of a show about young Jedi going on adventures in my head for years, and then I kinda get that but they split in half and made it too safe.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Not to mention there were battle droids in comics and novels older than the PT in SW. So it fits.
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Yeah, but I said EP5. There were already combat droids in The Empire strikes back, which predated most eu material.

While the probe droids weren't frontline troops, but IG looked perfectly combat ready. The comics and that just expanded on it.

Cactuar King said:
I was a kid when that movie came out and I hated those stupid voices, I remember being disappointed in the change.
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It must have been the dubbed voices that were more intimidating. Upon further review, no, they were goofy, but even more monotone. The B1s in EP1 gave off a very automaton vibe, without much in the way of sentience 3po or HK47 gives off.

But while they had silly antics, TCW really made the poor bastards too dumb to live.
 
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