Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Metallurgy is not a game for the faint hearted. Not only must the composition be correct, but the manufacturing history is critical in obtaining the right hardness and toughness.
When conveying this to plebs I tell them good steel is like trying to bake good bread. Everyone's tried and failed to make bread at least once.

The flour was too coarse, the flour wasn't glutenous enough, the flour was stale, you didn't work it enough, you didn't let the yeast rise long enough, you did but it was the wrong yeast, you did but the air was too humid, you did but you didn't rise it a second time...
 
When conveying this to plebs I tell them good steel is like trying to bake good bread. Everyone's tried and failed to make bread at least once.

The flour was too coarse, the flour wasn't glutenous enough, the flour was stale, you didn't work it enough, you didn't let the yeast rise long enough, you did but it was the wrong yeast, you did but the air was too humid, you did but you didn't rise it a second time...
Except america is making gluten free bread and china is substituting sawdust for the flour
 
I’ve had direct experience with chink and jeet steel and every single instance their steel didn’t match their mill test reports. Every time. We’d independently test their steel and every single time, it was much worse. We had to tell our retarded procurement team to stop ignoring our specifications and giving us this shit steel to which they’d whine about how much more expensive the domestic stuff was. Anyone who thinks Chinese or Indian steel has any value is not a serious person.

This. They just lie. It's not like there's a premium Chinese mill to buy from that tells the truth. The Chinese lie to everyone all the time, including themselves. It's why quality suffers even in goods made for internal consumption. To iron out sources of variation, you need accurate reporting all the way back to the mine, which you just plain do not have in China. The only country that's even more dishonest is India.
 
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This. They just lie. It's not like there's a premium Chinese mill to buy from that tells the truth. The Chinese lie to everyone all the time, including themselves. It's why quality suffers even in goods made for internal consumption. To iron out sources of variation, you need accurate reporting all the way back to the mine, which you just plain do not have in China. The only country that's even more dishonest is India.
Easiest way to understand chinese industry standards is to realize that the chinese themselves prefer products made outside of china, especially food products. You show off your wealth by flaunting foreign luxury brands. You show off your great education by flaunting your foreign education.
 
I was under the impression that the ”Russia will use a dirty bomb” claims were just intended as cover for a false flag attack.
Well sure but to repeat it to bolster your claim the same people are trying to detect radiation with drones from a secret cache to false flag Americans with who the fuck know what is ludicrous. Not inconceivable of course but I'm going to need something more that a twatter rando going "trust me bro".
 
Russian Lt.Gen. Kirillov killed in Moscow blast:

- he exposed US-funded biolabs in Ukraine

- highlighted chemical elements were smuggled through NATO territory

- warned Kiev planned false flag op
- X link

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Russian Lt.Gen. Kirillov killed in Moscow blast:

- he exposed US-funded biolabs in Ukraine

- highlighted chemical elements were smuggled through NATO territory

- warned Kiev planned false flag op
- X link

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This will be a problem into the future as Ukraine continues to lose and becomes more desperate, while its Banderite elements become more extreme.

IMO, with the number of Ukrainians that have left for Russia, filtering out the agents will take years, even after the end of the war.
 
I guess we can assume Pokrovsk imminent fall, as this always seem to happen when they send in these guys. As you may recall, they were sent in to try and save the situation in Andreyevka, and the defenses there immediately collapsed.
If they sent in the Azovs, then yeah.

They won't "Fight to the last man" (In fact they'll be some of the first out), but they'll make sure all the conscription do.
 
This will be a problem into the future as Ukraine continues to lose and becomes more desperate, while its Banderite elements become more extreme.

IMO, with the number of Ukrainians that have left for Russia, filtering out the agents will take years, even after the end of the war.
Russia could probably just ignore those who stayed close to the border and moved back to the new Russian territory once the war ended, and didn't go to Moscow or a major war factory city.
 
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In any other context I'd say this sounds insane but I think it's been pretty well shown at this point that Zelensky have no interest in negotiating with reasonable demands.
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Well there is still Zelensky decree . Forbiding anyone in Ukraine to negotiate with Russia. So until that thing is revoked. Ukraine is not interested in negotiations.
Anyway if Trump makes deal with Russia. Ukraine will have only two options.
1) Take last olive branch they are going to get.
2) Continue without US support and face total defeat .
 
Don't worry, he promised to solve it in one day. Very stable genius.
The smartest thing he arguably could do, would be to just walk away.

Explain that this was all Biden’s fuckup, Ukraine and Russia aren’t willing to settle so he’ll withdraw all aid and review sanctions to see which one cost America money. And of course add that if the two are willing to settle in the future, America is ready to be a broker.
 
The smartest thing he arguably could do, would be to just walk away.

Explain that this was all Biden’s fuckup, Ukraine and Russia aren’t willing to settle so he’ll withdraw all aid and review sanctions to see which one cost America money. And of course add that if the two are willing to settle in the future, America is ready to be a broker.
Unfortunately Trump and the Ukraine war is a prime example of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". There is no walking away for him, at least without suffering an extreme political blow, though the other options aren't any better for him. Out of all of the possibilities the only one that won't end with every media outlet, neocon, neolib, glowie subversive, antifa thug, and GAE supporter won't milk for all its worth to destroy him and his movement (or at the very least cause as much internal chaos for the administration as possible) is the one that will never happen.

If Trump walks away after Ukraine proves to be a Shortfatotaku tier bad faith actor in negotiations then its collapse will be pinned solely on him and everything pre January 2025 will be rapidly forgotten to paint the picture that victory was just around the corner before it was sabotaged by le orange Russian agent.

If Trump doubles down on supporting Ukraine if it collapses without dragging NATO into a war then he will still be blamed, most likely under the narrative that he was some Hitler like micromanager who messed up the resources at his disposal to win a war that Biden would have won on January 21st.

If Trump goes to war to save the Kiev Junta then every troon who in March 2022 screamed for a no fly zone, every dem congressman who wanted to spend trillions to fund Ukraine and every NAFO glowie who demanded war will unite in oppossition instantly to getting what they wanted, not because they miraculously will start to want peace the moment U.S troops start (officially) dying or will be taken aback by the reality that there is nothing at any given moment to prevent them from being minutes away from incineration but rather because they will simply parasitcally hop onto the anti war sentiment that will sweep the nation, rewrite recent history to make themselves out to be the anti war voices of reason, and try to regain full control over America before promptly continuing the war.

And lastly if somehow Trump masters the art of savescumming until he leads Ukraine to victory without Russia unleashing its entire nuclear stockpile then all his opponents will downplay it into a nothingburger and insist that AKSHULY Biden had already won the war and that he had as much to do with the victory over Putin as Truman did over Hirohito.

It doesn't matter if you hate him or think he is the best mortal to ever live, you at least have to concede that he has been put into a impossible position, one where its only a matter of limiting the fallout once the inevitable occurs and half of the country will make the reaction to the Fall of Saigon look tame.
 
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