Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

[BlastMonk]

became a Neurosurgeon after getting out of the Navy.

That's gotta be the most succcesful transition out of special forces I've ever heard of, good for him. He's from the generation before the current era of 'operators' who make the job their whole identity, maybe that helped him plan for life outside of special forces that not centred around drugs and collecting benefits while having a shitty podcast

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

That's gotta be the most succcesful transition out of special forces I've ever heard of, good for him. He's from the generation before the current era of 'operators' who make the job their whole identity, maybe that helped him plan for life outside of special forces that not centred around drugs and collecting benefits while having a shitty podcast

He also said something that fits together very well with what Ian Fitzgerald once commented, about cheating and screwing around being rampant in the SEAL teams. (I think his comment was something to the like of "never trust your girlfriend with a SEAL if you are away")

Underwood said:

“My first thought was that I hope to God they used the Seals. [in the UBL raid] There are Army units and other ways that could have gone down so when I first heard Navy Seals I knew it was Seal Team 6,” he said. “At first I was happy about it, but I didn’t realize the media storm that was coming. Now, I’ve got people telling me about Seal Team 6. It’s very irritating.”

In a perfect world, Underwood would prefer the Seals, particularly members of the elite unit he once belonged to, were not part of the modern diction. He said it’s best to leave the Seals to their own wares.

“These guys are not puppy dogs and if they came to your house they’d take your food, your booze, your daughters and your wife. That’s the way it is. They need to be left alone,” the doctor said. “These guys are in shape and they’re cocky. They have a swagger just like any well-trained athlete.”

Still annoyed they don't capitalize the SEAL. You have one job bro.

 

[The Delta Farce]

“My first thought was that I hope to God they used the Seals. [in the UBL raid] There are Army units and other ways that could have gone down

The way this is phrased it almost sounds less like personal pride in the SEALs and more like he knew that they Army would fuck up the raid somehow.

“These guys are not puppy dogs and if they came to your house they’d take your food, your booze, your daughters and your wife. That’s the way it is.

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[ToEnsureVerification]

The way this is phrased it almost sounds less like personal pride in the SEALs and more like he knew that they Army would fuck up the raid somehow.

"Never trust Delta"

-Andy Stumpf after getting shot while deployed with A squad, probably

If I was a betting man, I'd bet the malfunction was because Delta had this obsession with using the 45. Guccied up, well into Iraq. VanSant talked about how he pointed his 45 at a man in a window while on the hunt for Saddam. Those guns are pretty sensitive to dirt and grime. Or perhaps from the Perc/ambien stupor, he forgot to load a round into the chamber of his Glock.

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Fucking Mike Israetel Soyjacking, at the thought of shooting someone. I don't get it. He's a 220 pound bodybuilder and he makes that face because a random dude got shot. "It's so cool/crazy wow". I'm smelling deep insecurities. By the way, did you know steroids make your balls take the size of pistachios? Jeez.

Is it me, or is there's something wrong with DJ's left leg? It looks atrophied.

Still, one thing of note, and another reason why I think the new SEAL movie is from 2006, is that CQB is getting irrelevant against hardened targets. With the proliferation of early warning devices (alarms) and fortifications, the chances to infiltrate a place undetected without a firefight starting seems ever smaller and less worth it.

DJ got fucked by a simple early warning device (alarm) in Somalia and Brent Tucker said that an "early warning" device/IED was the thing that killed Dunbar (even tho his PH is not there). I guess it's the thing that looks the most cool on camera so they'll keep doing it.

 

[zzzten]

Clearly the author doesn't understand how terrorist organisations are funded or the scale of funding needed for their existence. All terrorist organisations need to have some sort of state sponsor to exist. All of them. Terror orgs need one or sometimes several state actors to give them immense amounts of funding, as terror organsiations are like an army and are big money sinks. Terror orgs also rely on the state they operate in to not investigate them or use the law to cracke down on their organisation as they recruit/plan and arm. You are not going to be able to fund a terror organisation via human trafficking ever, it's just not profitable enough for the scale of funding needed by terrorists. Unless you're selling massive amounts of your population into slavery, some unrealistic level of like 1 in 3 people or something. I will mention that lone wolf terrorists or a small group of friends that fall into extremism and commit a terrorist act together are fundmentally different things from proper established terrorist organsations like the Taliban, Al Nursa, Al Queda, the IRA etc, you could fund their small scale attacks via human trafficking but thats not what the author is talking about here.

Regardless of all that, what makes that little exert seem totally fabricated to me is that it is only women and girls being sold by the stable load, no boys or young men? If you're in the business of mass human trafficking to fund terrorism you're not picky about selling only to heterosexual men. A heterosexual man writing this however would focus on the sale of women and girls since he was probably propositioned by locals to hire local prostitutes so that's his frame of reference. So yeah that claim is fake as fuck.

tell them about how the cia funded osama bin laden to fight the russians. while doing so he was labelled a freedom fighter. after he'd outlived his purpose, he was labelled a terrorist and then they circulated fake "death" photos of him that people called out because photoshop was still in its infancy back then.
It's all underhanded regime change schemes and power grabs. There is no room for morality on the world stage. There is only power. And if you don't submit to power, you'll be labelled a terrorist and be forced to submit through overwhelming violence.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

tell them about how the cia funded osama bin laden to fight the russians. while doing so he was labelled a freedom fighter. after he'd outlived his purpose, he was labelled a terrorist and then they circulated fake "death" photos of him that people called out because photoshop was still in its infancy back then.
It's all underhanded regime change schemes and power grabs. There is no room for morality on the world stage. There is only power. And if you don't submit to power, you'll be labelled a terrorist and be forced to submit through overwhelming violence.

Hey! I saw this guy giving a speech in Damascus!


I guess the 10 million are off the table now, since he's a "moderate" jihadist now

 

[BlastMonk]

DJ got fucked by a simple early warning device (alarm) in Somalia and Brent Tucker said that an "early warning" device/IED was the thing that killed Dunbar (even tho his PH is not there). I guess it's the thing that looks the most cool on camera so they'll keep doing it.

So the elite of the elite have trouble with attacking a base with basic defences? Have they become lax after getting used to only fighting poorly equipped and only sometimes trained farmers and goat herders or have they always struggled aganist any opponent that knew anything about warfare? Is any of their combat experince over the last twenty years in the middle east and Africa actually transferable to fighting a real army from a peer country? I think they've gotten to used to having all the advantages in tech, air support, information, enemy base layout, weapon quality etc and don't know what to do with themselves without it. My evidence for this is how many US vets went to Ukraine in the first few weeks/months into the invasion, got a taste of enemy air support and enemy artillery postions shelling them and noped the fuck out and never came back.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Read General smedley butler's short book "WAR IS A RACKET".

Smelly butthole can literally eat a dick the guy literally lied about Americans in front of Congress because he's an anti war Sissy when he made-up the entire business plot and literally helped one of the most pro war presidents go after his political opposition his entire war is a racket nonsense needs to stop being repeated he also voted for a communist so he can die in a hole.

Issue with war is people aren't willing to win wars instead they perpetuate them longer than they need to because they're trying to win wars by committees and listening to politicians rather than generals we were winning in Vietnam do you know who screwed it up in Vietnam the CIA not the military we actually had the vietcong on the ropes they gave us copies of their own internal documents after the war is over about 50 years later.

One actual general I think in 2000 who fought in the Vietnam War literally said the media helped us win the war more than we actually wanted the Chinese showed what would happen if we would have invaded northern Vietnam they were just smashing through the Vietnamese defensive lines with very little difficulty it's almost like we could have easily won Vietnam and Korea if it wasn't for the communist elements in our governments.

And war is not profitable it is actually much more profitable to invest the money you were going to spend in the military on civilian infrastructure as well as civilian manufacturing war actually destroys large amounts of human potential and also causes interruptions in international trade Russia before it entered World War One was right about to hit a massive boom economically World War 1 completely destroyed the Russian economy.

The way this is phrased it almost sounds less like personal pride in the SEALs and more like he knew that they Army would fuck up the raid somehow.

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I don't know what it is about these Navy SEAL guys but every single one of those stories sounds more and more unbelievable sounds like something a 16 year old stolen valor idiot would make up yeah 360 no scope then tea bagged his mother.

So the elite of the elite have trouble with attacking a base with basic defences? Have they become lax after getting used to only fighting poorly equipped and only sometimes trained farmers and goat herders or have they always struggled aganist any opponent that knew anything about warfare? Is any of their combat experince over the last twenty years in the middle east and Africa actually transferable to fighting a real army from a peer country? I think they've gotten to used to having all the advantages in tech, air support, information, enemy base layout, weapon quality etc and don't know what to do with themselves without it. My evidence for this is how many US vets went to Ukraine in the first few weeks/months into the invasion, got a taste of enemy air support and enemy artillery postions shelling them and noped the fuck out and never came back.

Yes special forces units are only useful when you're going after infrastructure or high value targets they're completely useless in normal everyday missions artillery the king of battle doesn't care if you have 900 raids as a Navy SEAL it blows you to pieces all the same.

Also all of these Navy seals can kill as many people as they want they still lost to barely literate goat herders hiding in caves watching tiktoks on phones


who runs Afghanistan the Taliban not the United states puppet regime

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

So the elite of the elite have trouble with attacking a base with basic defences? Have they become lax after getting used to only fighting poorly equipped and only sometimes trained farmers and goat herders or have they always struggled aganist any opponent that knew anything about warfare?

Well, my main point is really that the "CQB" team tactics, people and games are so obsessed about, is a very, very specialized special forces infantry skill, that just happens to look cool on camera, (you wouldn't want to see a movie about F-15 engine maintenance). Which is not the same as infantry doing MOUT which are generally planned as brigade/division level operations.

CQB relies on the opponent being unprepared, surprised and overwhelmed. And that can only happen in certain, very specific circumstances, like Iraq or Afghanistan during an occupation, or with UBL literally not having any real security. DJ in Somalia didn't have allied forces in control of the city as they attacked a fortress, so they were on the timer for an enemy QRF.

Delta, when tasked with getting Qusay and Uday Hussein, didn't bother "breaching in" and going "internal", clearing every room. They leveled the house with TOWs mounted on Humvees. and picked the bodies from the rubble. (And then many of them lied about it and said there was a huge firefight)


(No earpro for the 10th Airborne. Those were the days. You can see Delta with the black helmets on the front)

Let's consider doing CQB against an "important cartel member", with layered security, fortified walls, early warning devices, both electronic and mechanical, capable guards, traps, a panic room and a tunnel to escape. Good luck getting your HVT without dropping a JDAM on the thing.

By my main point, I think, is the whole selling of CQB training to the civilian population both in the movies and in real life is very weird and pretty needless. DJ talked in the video about how they trained things like "racking the gun from the plate carrier of an enemy" and other stuff, and I'm thinking "Is this another gunfu bullshido?"

 

[The Foxtrot]

By my main point, I think, is the whole selling of CQB training to the civilian population both in the movies and in real life is very weird and pretty needless. DJ talked in the video about how they trained things like "racking the gun from the plate carrier of an enemy" and other stuff, and I'm thinking "Is this another gunfu bullshido?"

I'd counter that bullshit with stories from Stalingrad and the Battle of Berlin. Or hell, even WW1 trench fights. That is what real "CQB" looks like, it's not cool gunfu bullshido where you style on those inbred goat fuckers with your Certified Martial Arts Training(TM). It's brutal, dirty, and desperate.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

By my main point, I think, is the whole selling of CQB training to the civilian population both in the movies and in real life is very weird and pretty needless. DJ talked in the video about how they trained things like "racking the gun from the plate carrier of an enemy" and other stuff, and I'm thinking "Is this another gunfu bullshido?"

I think in ten years we're gonna view all this CQB snake oil the same way people view the "gray man". its such a narrow skill that can only be applied to civilians in very specific circumstances.

 

[The Delta Farce]

Delta, when tasked with getting Qusay and Uday Hussein, didn't bother "breaching in" and going "internal", clearing every room. They leveled the house with TOWs mounted on Humvees. and picked the bodies from the rubble. (And then many of them lied about it and said there was a huge firefight)

Delta did go in at first and a bunch of them got shot. Then they withdrew and shot the TOW missiles. I've said if before but seriously everyone watch all of CQB MSOB. It isn't that CQB inherently doesn't work it's just that they in particular are inexplicably clumsy and uncoordinated. They outright neglect to cover areas of potential threats all the time. Remember that training video from LA where they were just standing around lazily in front of a door? It's like that inside of buildings too.
CQB MSOB

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FWIW the most recent Somalia raid was a great success. 11 Somali fighters killed and no SEALs wounded. But I agree that against an equal enemy even with good execution CQB would result in a lot more casualties
Senior ISIS Leader in Somalia Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid

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As for US SOF fighting the cartels, the Mexicans don't need our help. Mexican Marines recaptured El Chapo, killed nearly a dozen cartel members, and suffered one minor casualty

Another Delta Safari

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Lee Vampola from r/JSOCarchive

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Lee Vampola from r/JSOCarchive

FROM THE PUBLISHERS OF THE ACCLAIMED

NOW COMES A NEW BOOK OF THE SERIES!

NEVER LEAVE THE BAR WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO SURVIVE,
LIKE MANY A DELTA FORCE MEMBERS LEARNED THE HARD WAY!

 

[The Delta Farce]

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

By my main point, I think, is the whole selling of CQB training to the civilian population both in the movies and in real life is very weird and pretty needless. DJ talked in the video about how they trained things like "racking the gun from the plate carrier of an enemy" and other stuff, and I'm thinking "Is this another gunfu bullshido?"

the masters of frogman tactics in World War Two were the the pasta monkeys and mostly what they were doing was blowing up ships at harbor by being dropped off by submarine there's actually a funny antidote about one of the most successful aids where they blew up several battleships where they actually captured most of the team and they were just sitting there being interrogated ************ them until all the time is went off and the ship exploded.


Really the Navy SEAL should be much more trained in long range destruction of enemy infrastructure bridges power plants factories stuff like that but it doesn't work in insurgencies cause insurgencies don't need those things to work randomly waiting compounds doesn't work because that's not addressing the underlying reason they're fighting the people of Afghanistan did not want homosexuality transgenderism women's rights or any of those things they wanted a bunch of foreign occupiers out of their nation so they could have sex with their goats in peace

I'd counter that bullshit with stories from Stalingrad and the Battle of Berlin. Or hell, even WW1 trench fights. That is what real "CQB" looks like, it's not cool gunfu bullshido where you style on those inbred goat fuckers with your Certified Martial Arts Training(TM). It's brutal, dirty, and desperate.

Pretty much if you read first hand accounts of fighting during World War One no one was doing the fancy kicks or holds they'd literally beating a guy to death.
There's a friend of mine who is a former marine drill instructor said you are a not a true marine unless you've beaten a man to death with an entrenching tool

MMA is a glorified gay meeting dance if you tried any of those things an actual combat you would die

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

the masters of frogman tactics in World War Two were the the pasta monkeys and mostly what they were doing was blowing up ships at harbor by being dropped off by submarine there's actually a funny antidote about one of the most successful aids where they blew up several battleships where they actually captured most of the team and they were just sitting there being interrogated ************ them until all the time is went off and the ship exploded.

Speaking of WW2 Frogmen, the movie "The Frogmen" from 1951 is unironically very good and worth a watch.

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Holy shit @The Delta Farce ! For those who don't remember:


LanaDelReyFan was the dude who posted femboy porn! Mike Edwards, was that you?!

Dude is a religious nut lmao he needs meds bad

 

[I'm a Silly]

The way this is phrased it almost sounds less like personal pride in the SEALs and more like he knew that they Army would fuck up the raid somehow.

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"Never trust Delta"

-Andy Stumpf after getting shot while deployed with A squad, probably

If I was a betting man, I'd bet the malfunction was because Delta had this obsession with using the 45. Guccied up, well into Iraq. VanSant talked about how he pointed his 45 at a man in a window while on the hunt for Saddam. Those guns are pretty sensitive to dirt and grime. Or perhaps from the Perc/ambien stupor, he forgot to load a round into the chamber of his Glock.

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Fucking Mike Israetel Soyjacking, at the thought of shooting someone. I don't get it. He's a 220 pound bodybuilder and he makes that face because a random dude got shot. "It's so cool/crazy wow". I'm smelling deep insecurities. By the way, did you know steroids make your balls take the size of pistachios? Jeez.

Is it me, or is there's something wrong with DJ's left leg? It looks atrophied.
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Still, one thing of note, and another reason why I think the new SEAL movie is from 2006, is that CQB is getting irrelevant against hardened targets. With the proliferation of early warning devices (alarms) and fortifications, the chances to infiltrate a place undetected without a firefight starting seems ever smaller and less worth it.

DJ got fucked by a simple early warning device (alarm) in Somalia and Brent Tucker said that an "early warning" device/IED was the thing that killed Dunbar (even tho his PH is not there). I guess it's the thing that looks the most cool on camera so they'll keep doing it.

So that's juice face, right? Like why Rogan's head looks so weird?

(you wouldn't want to see a movie about F-15 engine maintenance)

challenge accepted

 

[KingNothing]

>you wouldn't want to see a movie about F-15 engine maintenance


Proto Tools porn is always welcome

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

So that's juice face, right? Like why Rogan's head looks so weird?

Yeah, people just think steroids make body grow, but if you take them enough, the bones and muscles in the face will change too. Look up Stallone, in Rambo vs now (he's a notorious user.). Also Israetel does BJJ and has the wrestler ears, so that doesn't help.

challenge accepted

>you wouldn't want to see a movie about F-15 engine maintenance


Proto Tools porn is always welcome

That's legitimately cool. I pulled that F-15 engine example out of nowhere lol and it's good to see that people made engineering interesting, even if it's not an action flick.

 

[The Delta Farce]

13 years in Delta and Tom Smith is just a chill guy. Best former Ranger/Delta interview IMO.

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tbf the lana del ray thing could be a coincidence. There's a couple other people who run SOF IG pages I think it could be.