Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Jesus christ. "BMP-3 with factory-option cope cage."
"engage targets upto 5000 meters"
they have video my nigga. Video of the inability of russian guns to hit anything.

This is like trying to sell pintos as the fire department are hosing out a burned out husk of one accross the street.
You act as though BMP's aren't the iron daggers of the Second World.
 
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What about when Russia first invaded, using chemical weapons or kidnapping and trafficking thousands of innocent civilians and children?
 
What about when Russia first invaded, using chemical weapons or kidnapping and trafficking thousands of innocent civilians and children?
"W-well, it's okay when Ziggerland does stuff like that to ANY country that's not ours b-because they have... LE NUKES!?!?!! m-muh escalation.... we just have to accept that they treat POWs in a way that has them look like Holocaust survivors upon their return, that they kidnap children, that they've routinely targeted civilian targets for the entirety of this war, because muh escalation!".

These faggots are like retarded broads in a relationship with an alcoholic, mentally unstable, cheating felon;
"It's okay! He didn't mean to cheat to hurt me he was just upset with me because of what I did! It's really just my fault, I shouldn't provoke him to do so. I shouldn't call him out on it because he'll beat me but that's ok because it's my fault & I made him do it! I can fix him I promise! If I just show him enough love and kindness he'll change!".

Not even beginning about the absolute brainrot of the isolationism that seems to be perking up a lot on the right in the US.
 
Not even beginning about the absolute brainrot of the isolationism that seems to be perking up a lot on the right in the US.
Americans have been deliberately taught wrong on American isolationism, U.S. and world history since the Korean War armistice. As the "isolationism" taught in schools never existed beyond the theoretical. Since reality being "while (dumb) Americans have no interest in the world, the world very much have interest in America."
 
Americans have been deliberately taught wrong on American isolationism, U.S. and world history since the Korean War armistice. As the "isolationism" taught in schools never existed beyond the theoretical. Since reality being "while (dumb) Americans have no interest in the world, the world very much have interest in America."
Thomas Jefferson also fought a war with the Sultanate of Tripoli. So the USA being isolationist way back to the founding is also a meme based solely on on George Washington quote, that doesn't even mean what people say it does. Washington didn't say "no foreign policy" he said don't sign treaties with great powers that will get you entangled their messes rather then yours.
 
And their army practices sodomy via dedovshchina, so they're not as faggot-free as they claim.
Plus remember when that Apache got shot down and the pilot got buttraped to death by Kuwaitis?
Oh wait that was a Ka-52 and its was Chechens who teamkilled their own guy with gay buttrape.

Speaking of Vietnam.....
Jesus christ. "BMP-3 with factory-option cope cage."
"engage targets upto 5000 meters"
they have video my nigga. Video of the inability of russian guns to hit anything.
Honestly considering the scale of cheap drones the Chinese could produce should they ever decide to start the Fifth Chinese Domination Era of Vietnam, cope cages might not be a bad option.

Now I'm generally of the "assume China a competent military power with gear that works" line of thought.
However, that being said the Chinese ZBD-04 also (allegedly) uses what amounts to a licensed version of the same main gun as the BMP-3.
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What about when Russia first invaded, using chemical weapons or kidnapping and trafficking thousands of innocent civilians and children?
Muh escalootion though

Its also retarded because we did the same shit to Soleimani. You think they'd be celebrating another shitass who FA/FO'ed but yet here we are...
 
Americans have been deliberately taught wrong on American isolationism, U.S. and world history since the Korean War armistice. As the "isolationism" taught in schools never existed beyond the theoretical. Since reality being "while (dumb) Americans have no interest in the world, the world very much have interest in America."
There seems to be this attitude that it's either direct interventionism or isolationism with nothing in between.
If American isolationism comes to fruition you can bet your ass that China will be giddy & clapping like a toddler upon receiving a new toy. Instead of a new toy however, it's the entire world on a silver platter.
Because I very much doubt US trade partners will remain willing to pay a premium if the bonus of being under America's military protectorate as it were falls by the wayside. Then all of the sudden those bargain bin Chinese deals look all the more appealing.
You don't have to look further than Africa to see a (admittedly retarded) version of this happening already between European and African countries, where a lot opt to go with cheap Chinese labor contracts and imports.

I maybe wouldn't go as far as to say that in that world the US becomes a pariah state, not at all, but I can definitely see the US becoming dethroned as the biggest world power as a result.
 
Those isolationist Americans completely fail to understand American way of life is entirely due to being the king of the mountain and the willingness to do whatever needed to stay up there. Cause all of the alternative options are bad and worse for the United States, the American people and everyone else who depend on the United States being the 800 pound global tard wrangling gorilla.
 
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What about when Russia first invaded, using chemical weapons or kidnapping and trafficking thousands of innocent civilians and children?
What's the link on that because I want to read what he actually said not the lugenpresse reworking. See: My last post about media literacy.

Now we all know the correct response when dealing with Slavs isn't "oh no that's terrible" but "lol. Keep fucking around we'll find out if you can lose a few more". But that's the general level of State Department meal mouth when they're trying to get someone to come to the table.
 
Either way, I've noticed the people who bring that quote up to most tend to come from the politifag side and not the warfighter side.
The whole thing comes of more as an opinion than a fact, IMO
War is political. Wars start over political motivations. Some of the actions taken or not taken during the course of the war are influenced by politics. And, with some exceptions, the conclusion is decided by politics. Yes, warfighting is important to understand. But to truly understand wars, you need to understand geopolitics. You can't understand this war, for example, without understanding the politics of Russia, or the Russian-Ukraine relationship, or the Russia-West relationship, or even to an extent the Russian-Chinese relationship.

Politics is more than the culture war.
 
The UK has stood by Ukraine more than any other country. I believe they will continue to do so.

I think Estonia is probably more solid ...but they're Estonia.

UK, having somehow avoided the worst bits of USSR sleeper agents ratfucking their government and avoiding the general failure that is "being french", seems to understand the threat Russia poses. Maybe over compensation for Chamberlains "Peace in our time". They are also squarely in the "In range of all of Russia's nuclear options" so vested interest in the Soviets imploding.
 
Not sure if I'm late. Putin was asked by an American journo about Russia having a rough time lately. It was during a live event, all other foreign questions were translated for russian viewers but not this one
tl;dr:
> the comments on the objectives of SMO and blown up general completely ignored
> even though virtually all of NATO is at war with us, it's too expensive for them to produce enough shells or something
> our economy and production only got stronger, Russia will not look weak in the eyes of Trump
> we will ignore what others demand and will only pursue our national interests
> we haven't lost in Syria because we were fighting with terrorists and the people who took over are not terrorists xaxaxa
> everyone in and around Syria are begging us to keep our bases there, but we have to think about that

 
It is a bad sign if Kellogg thinks it's not fair that Ukraine is killing enemy military officers.
His 'peace plan' of April this year could be seen as forcing Ukraine to sign an interim surrender and the poisoned midget plucking victory from the jaws of defeat. Maybe my impression was wrong, but it seemed bad. His words on things 'you don't do' regarding the Rules of War' make mention of killing wounded combatants and all manner of barbarisms that Russia has engaged in. What's notable is his stance now differs so much from an earlier point when he was clear on supporting Ukraine. Gen Kellog does talk of Russia losing 5 men for every one Ukrainian, but there seems this misplaced awe for Russian meatwave tactics. Russia only won WW2 - a war it started through an invasion of Poland alongside German - because of vast aid from the Arsenal of Democracy and the Allies. Russia used that victory to build an empire of death and failure in eastern Europe. Its defeat in WWI, the Russo-Japanese War and most wars it fought against civilised opponents were usually crushing. Any that weren't involved piggybacking on the treasure, blood and efforts of others (ie Napoleonic War). The words weren't harsh or clearly towards Ukraine, meaning the typical media take seems a bit clickbaity. The Kyiv Independent noted it could be seen as a legitimate given the war and its context.

 
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