Opinion Trump repeats ‘51st State’ jab and false trade-deficit claims - Trump’s 51st state jokes a bullying technique, former adviser to Trudeau says

Donald Trump is repeating his contention that the U.S. should annex Canada, ratcheting up his rhetoric amid threats of a continental trade war.

In a social media post at 3.23 am Eastern Time Wednesday, the U.S. President-elect also repeated his false assertion that the U.S. has a US$100-billion trade deficit with Canada.

“No one can answer why we subsidize Canada to the tune of over $100,000,000 a year? Makes no sense! Many Canadians want Canada to become the 51st State,” Mr. Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. “They would save massively on taxes and military protection. I think it is a great idea. 51st State!!!”

While there is no serious movement in either country for Canada to join the U.S., Mr. Trump has now made variations of the comment several times, seemingly to needle Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Mr. Trump is threatening to impose tariffs of 25 per cent on all Canadian and Mexican goods entering the U.S. when he takes office on Jan. 20. The President-elect has said the levies are meant to force the two other North American countries to stop migrants and fentanyl crossing their borders into the U.S.

But Mr. Trump has also repeatedly raised the trade deficit, which most economists dismiss as unimportant but which he views as a scorecard for economic success.
According to U.S. figures, the country’s trade deficit with Canada in 2022, the last year for which it has published numbers, was US$53.5-billion on more than US$900-billion worth of trade.

That deficit is mostly related to crude oil, of which the U.S. imports more than 1.6 billion barrels a year from Canada to make up for its own shortages. Imposing a tariff on it would likely significantly drive up gasoline prices for U.S. consumers.

Mr. Trump first made his “51st state” comment to Mr. Trudeau during their dinner at Mar-a-Lago late last month, saying that Mr. Trudeau could serve as Canada’s governor. The Canadian government dismissed the line as a joke.

The President-Elect has subsequently referenced it several more times in Truth Social posts. Most recently, he used it on Monday in reaction to Chrystia Freeland’s abrupt resignation as deputy prime minister and finance minister.

“The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau,” he wrote, before deriding Ms. Freeland as “totally toxic” and “not at all conducive to making deals.”

Ms. Freeland was the point-person on trade negotiations during Mr. Trudeau’s first term, and both Mr. Trump and some of his advisers have previously expressed irritation with her for refusing to make concessions.

 
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They managed to add new states to the US that had been "their own country" when info still had to travel by horseback, you're really making this out to be far more complicated than it actually would be.

You're making the mistake that they'd be bringing their old healthcare system and parliament with them, they wouldn't. They won't get a parliament, they'll be told and allowed to set up a state government like the US, with a State House and Senate, and to hold elections to popularly vote for National Reps and Senators to go to Washington. For healthcare? They cut up their old insurance cards and sign on with a new provider state side just like the illegal immigrants do. Yes, there will be hiccups and hurdles, but none of this is a divide-by-zero problem that's simply impossible.

Yes, there's far more bureaucracy, but, there's also more bureaucrats and computers to collate and edit the files.

And just to be clear, it won't happen, it's just a thought experiment, but, these things are not deal breakers in any way, shape, or form.
You’re being retarded. I never said it was impossible, just complicated. And unprecedented. Do you know why the colony states have some quirky laws? It’s because their laws were grandfathered into the Union. They didn’t rebuild from scratch after ratifying the Constitution. Texas and California were set up by American emigrants with a system aligned with American values. In the latter’s case, the government was set up with the intention of being annexed. The closest analogue is Hawaii, but Hawaii wasn’t industrialized like Canada is.

I get that a lot of the old systems wouldn’t continue as a state, in fact, that’s what I said. But you can’t pretend that you can just throw in a new state government and everything will align with it instantly. For one, who is going to run the state government? You can’t just appoint people like the old days, they have to be elected. That means most of the current Canadian government would serve in the new government. Carpetbaggers from the south will not be very successful.

There will be a lot of momentum to keep things as similar as possible and a lot of conflict and litigation related to that. The Canadian senate is an example of that. None of those people were elected and none of them know how to campaign. Do you think they will go away quietly? Look at Germany if you want a modern example of what happens to politicians when land switches hands: they don’t go away.

‘New provider state side’ who will that be? Who will know how to run it day-to-day? Most of that is going to be people who worked in the old system. They will need to be retrained, systems and processes will need to be rebuilt from scratch. And that’s just one industry.

You can’t deny it won’t be a massive undertaking unlike anything we’ve seen in our lives.
 
Canada has a tenth of the US's population so it is pretty ludicrous to think of it as one state.
So do California and Texas. We can just annex everything west of Ontario and Quebec. Removing Jeets from BC would be the only outstanding issue.
Technically Canada would be 13 new states for the US instead of just one.
The Northern Territory, Yukon, and Nunavut can stay as territories, like Guam.

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So do California and Texas. We can just annex everything west of Ontario and Quebec. Removing Jeets from BC would be the only outstanding issue.

The Northern Territory, Yukon, and Nunavut can stay as territories, like Guam.

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I think a lot of it could consolidated. The whole northern part would be one state or territory, then three or four states for the rest. It doesn’t need to be split into so many different parts IMO.
 
We can just annex everything west of Ontario and Quebec. Removing Jeets from BC would be the only outstanding issue.
Even in western Canadian provinces there's overwhelmingly favourable polling for Dems.

There's literally no way to electorally carve up Canada that benefits the Republicans. It's 50 free blue votes no matter whether it's split one way or 10.
 
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Even in western Canadian provinces there's overwhelmingly favourable polling for Dems.
While that’s true, how much of that is self interest?

Trump will be an objectively worse American leader for the Canadian economy. (Ignoring any American pressures to reduce immigration.)

But if they were American, that wouldn’t necessarily be an issue.

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At least Alberta would be cool.
 
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Every public institution in Canada would cease to function unless explicitly carried over into the new state.

Things like the Canadian senate aren’t Constitutional, so an entirely new government would have to be drafted. Parliament would be completely different in composition and boundaries due to district boundary precedent (it would favor Republicans more).

Every judge and lawyer would need to pass a new bar exam for American law.

The healthcare system will need to become ACA and HIPAA compliant. I have no idea where to even begin with that behemoth.

Measurements would all have to be converted to Imperial (yes, this is Federal law).
So, we just dissolve the federal government in its entirety, establish the provinces as incorporated territories, and then admit them as states once that's been sorted out. Should only take a few years, and if any Canadians start complaining too much, well, Nate the Rake exists.
Didn't Puerto Rico do a vote years ago to be a state? What happened to that?
Being a state means taking responsibility for their own finances, and they have a very Latin American culture when it comes to money and how its handled.
 
A large amount of Canada’s laws are incompatible with American laws. It would be a mess integrating the country. The most similar annexation would be Hawaii, as that was the closest thing to America taking over a civilized country.
As a Canadian, I'd consider this overwhelmingly to be a feature, not a bug. Just throwing out all the cancer and adopting the Constitution alone would be a huge relative improvement. I'll take that over the Charter of Rights and Freedoms we have, which has a little, ever growing "except when its inconvenient to government power" beside all the clauses.
Making Canada a state would by definition imply they held an equal status in the union.

It's a retarded idea all around, why are people so eager to effectively add another California to the electoral college?
I'll take territory status, not like fucking voting in Canada has been anything of value anyway. The structure of our whole system lets institutional power persist well beyond voter reach, and offers pretty much no mechanism to place changes where its needed. A few decades of "Misuse your vote, lose your vote" would probably do the people good.
 
Making Canada a state would by definition imply they held an equal status in the union.

It's a retarded idea all around, why are people so eager to effectively add another California to the electoral college?

I agree, all it would do is give them (at least) 2 Dem Senators. Fuck that
 
Drumpf should try again to buy Greenland from Denmark. Hugely important for the control of the arctic in the future.

The price might be probably less than what has been given to the hohols over the last 3 years.
Greenland is a shithole. The entire island is a bunch of drunk Eskimos on welfare.
 
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Why the fuck would they sell Greenland.
Last time he tried he shit and pissed him self about the Danes bing nasty becaus they told him no.

Denmark dose not want to sell, Greenland dose not want to be sold and Denmark is stupid rish especialy now that Novo Nordisk makes fat americans pay some 10x for the anti-fatass drug so money hase no insentive.
Nah the prime minister could have just said “no” but she did so in a pretty rude and undiplomatic way.

I think it should be unclaimed territory like Antarctica where anybody is allowed to build a shipyard or port there just so long as they don’t act like an asshole

(Antarctica is such worthless real estate that the Germans built a military base on someone else’s slice of land, and nobody has batted an eye about it.)
 
Prairie provinces would be swing states, they only appear liberal right now because Canada is cucked by left wing faggotry from Ontario and all the immigrants. Most people in the prairies are pretty based and are sick of immigrants, hate gun laws and hate the welfare the natives get. Their opinions on Trump aren't as favorable because they don't live in America and only hear about his antics from biased media but even they understand why he got voted in twice.

Having all ot Canada be one state is horrible idea, the west wants to be free of Ontario and Ottawa influence over their lives. They are the most populace so they always elect who they want unless almost the entirety of the rest of the country votes against them. Having them and their stinky poojeet voters and snobby liberals decide who represents them in US would not go over well and would give them less control then they already have.
 
Wouldn't Canada likely form the CANZUK with the UK?
Nah, the Anglosphere belongs to America, absorbing Canada would just be making it official. Step 1, if you will. Step 2 would be doing the same to the Aussies and the Kiwis, but we might need to Nuremberg their political class first. Step 3 would, technically, be making Air Strip One a territory, but I think they need to suffer for their poor judgement more first.
 
A lot of the leftist voters in the cities will flee to a non-seceding province anyhow.
What I'm surprised I'm not hearing more about is the inevitable red wine. They who are enabled by White racecucks who call areas of Canada by numbered treaties on the radio.
My opinion is that their treaties should continue unabated with Ottawa, even though they'll obviously be part of the United States. Ottawa will simply have to keep honoring the treaties and sending them money, and if they don't, we help the chugs fuck Ottawa over in court.
 
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