Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[I_Lurk_Here]

Hey gentlemen sorry to come in here and tard out but what do any of you view as the end to this conflict? All things must come to an end, and in my simple view I feel that Ukraine will cede certain Western parts of the country, Luhansk peoples Republic and such, and most unfortunately I feel like the Ukrainians will be pressaured to let the Russkies keep Crimea and most imporantely Sevastopol, what do you think.? You guys dont think it will end with Russ Federation troops lifting the flag over the Kiev Opera do you?

I think at some point after the war ends (and Russia is generally considered the winner), Ukraine due to its demographics will be flooded with NIGGERS!

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

I feel that Ukraine will cede certain Western parts of the country, Luhansk peoples Republic and such, and most unfortunately I feel like the Ukrainians will be pressaured to let the Russkies keep Crimea and most imporantely Sevastopol, what do you think.?

I think Luhansk and Donetsk are in the eastern part of the country, not the western.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Hey gentlemen sorry to come in here and tard out but what do any of you view as the end to this conflict? All things must come to an end, and in my simple view I feel that Ukraine will cede certain Western parts of the country, Luhansk peoples Republic and such, and most unfortunately I feel like the Ukrainians will be pressaured to let the Russkies keep Crimea and most imporantely Sevastopol, what do you think.? You guys dont think it will end with Russ Federation troops lifting the flag over the Kiev Opera do you?

Russia's not leaving the vast majority of what they've taken, the populace on balance prefers Russian rule to Ukrainian from the little I've seen (mostly Patrick Lancaster videos, so make of that what you will), and Crimea should never have been ceded to Ukraine in the first place. (IIRC it was some weird thing Khrushev did in the 1950s?) It is not Ukrainian and I guess is arguably historically not Russian, but the vast majority of the population since the 19th century is both ethnically and culturally Russian. It clearly belongs to and with Russia, whatever other claims might be made.

I also kind of think Russia is approaching the logical limits of territory they can take where they won't have to deal with a permanently hostile populace; Russia is not taking Kiev and I'd be surprised if any sort of effort is ever made toward Odessa. (Unless somebody really pees in Putin's chili.) At this point I don't think Durgin's ideas of a sort of revived pan-Slavism or whatever are held as credible by many in the Kremlin.

Globohomo will not and probably cannot acknowledge any of this. If not ever, well, certainly for a long, long time. Russia is and shall always remain the evil invader of poor virtuous Ukraine and so on. Some kind of cease fire arrangement will be reached at some point, but no treaties and no acknowledgement of what is in fact Russian territory for a (again) long, long time. If ever. A "frozen conflict" a bit like Korea but obviously with far more porous borders. I also don't see any sort of credible EU military force emerging for decades, if ever, at this point. They just don't want to spend the money or allocate the manpower, whatever rhetoric they might spout. (How's that ramping up of artillery shell production going? And that's just one issue of dozens.)

 

[Uncle Buck]

Yes my bad sorry drunk post

Drunk post, or Ghostse shill account...

 

[Susanna]

I also don't see any sort of credible EU military force emerging for decades, if ever, at this point. They just don't want to spend the money or allocate the manpower, whatever rhetoric they might spout. (How's that ramping up of artillery shell production going? And that's just one issue of dozens.)

I actually think this one is quite likely. Trump is not overly fond of NATO, and he’s already made it clear that he expects euros to spend more and wants the USA to participate less. The EU knows this, and there’s a lot of rhetoric about how the German army needs to become the EU army, so it can properly oppressdefend everyone (but especially governments that try to maintain their liberty, such as Hungary).

 

[Slur Generator]

No country in the EU or even the EU as a whole will have a real army as long as the US has any say in it. Anyone believing that its the US getting the short end of this deal is braindead.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

by a comparatively tiny former state

So they didn’t need western funding, training, and arms then? It was all Ukraine pulling themselves up by the bootstrap to epically own putlermort? Is that how you seriously think the last 3 years played out? Why are you people so retarded literally Kamala tier explaination of the war “Ukraine is small country Russia iz bigger country duh hur dur”

 

[Brahma]

I feel like so many Vatnicks i speak to have this idea of "Globohome" so ingrained into their mind by the "Angloskasi"', Despite what you may have heard most Americans and Western Euros are not homosexuals, we prefer women just like you.
The true culture war is not between Fags and non Fags, but between Western Liberal Democracy and Eastern Nonliberal Monarchy
A century on past the Czars and the Russian people still crave a divine ruler, I understand this need but the time has simply passed unfortunately

Globohomo refers to global homogenisation of culture and economics under the GAE

It's just one of those beautiful synchronicities that trooning kids and turning the frogs gay is part of the program

 

[Lt. H. DuBois]

So they didn’t need western funding, training, and arms then? It was all Ukraine pulling themselves up by the bootstrap to epically own putlermort? Is that how you seriously think the last 3 years played out? Why are you people so retarded

All the training and equipment in the world can only go so far. The United States spent 2 decades training and arming South Vietnam and our Client still lost. Maybe the Ukrainians are just more determined fighters

 

[01169]

I feel like so many Vatnicks i speak to have this idea of "Globohome" so ingrained into their mind by the "Angloskasi"', Despite what you may have heard most Americans and Western Euros are not homosexuals, we prefer women just like you.
The true culture war is not between Fags and non Fags, but between Western Liberal Democracy and Eastern Nonliberal Monarchy
A century on past the Czars and the Russian people still crave a divine ruler, I understand this need but the time has simply passed unfortunately

>thinking homo means gay in this context

Also

we prefer women just like you.

Doubt.

I feel like everything has been said about this issue already. But to not make it a complete meme post and to add on @Brahma's correct definition it's not about West vs. East. Or rich vs. poor like the lefties want to portray it. It's not a fucking class or race war. It's a conflict of ideas.

And it doesn't matter whether I am part of the West when it's these policies that hurt me in the long run. Not a fucking Czar or the Russian people.

 

[Lt. H. DuBois]

Maybe the Ukrainians remember the decades of Soviet repression, this isnt some conspiracy here the Holhols were brutally repressed under the Soviets. That might inspire me to take up arms against the Russian Federation if my grandfather was hung from a lampost during the Soviet days. Please dong get too upset with me friends I understand why Russia acts the way she does, but its also easy for me to understand the other side

 

[Audit]

I also kind of think Russia is approaching the logical limits of territory they can take where they won't have to deal with a permanently hostile populace;

I think this is the entire argument behind leaving behind a Ukrainian rump state, no matter how much the UAF collapses. Dissidents will be encouraged, or forced, to relocate to whatever rump state remains. The war itself is forcing much of the civilian population to flee already. It's moreso a question of how to prevent troublemakers from returning. I suspect Russia is already somewhat competent at this though. They've been taking in a lot of Ukrainian refugees over the last few years and have turned away a lot of people suspected of harboring sympathies/likely to shoot up a theater.

We had some posts a while back describing the migration paths Ukrainians have to take to return to their homes in Mariupol and other annexed territories. It went something like Germany -> Belarus -> Russia -> Mariupol. It's quite difficult for a civilian to cross the frontline, so Russia is in more or less complete control over who comes in and out of the lands they conquer.

I feel like everything has been said about this issue already. But to not make it a complete meme post and to add on @Brahma's correct definition it's not about West vs. East. Or rich vs. poor like the lefties want to portray it. It's not a fucking class or race war. It's a conflict of ideas.

And it doesn't matter whether I am part of the West when it's these policies that hurt me in the long run. Not a fucking Czar or the Russian people.

At its most simple, globohomo could be described as an effort to end all nations, all races, and any form of unique cultural identification more complex than which flavor of salsa you get when you go to taco bell. All forms of diversity must be eliminated so that maximum economic and political integration can be achieved. It's like someone watched Star Trek and thought to themselves, "Yes, the Borg are actually the best species in the galaxy. We should be more like them." Just be glad they can't wire our brains into the internet, yet.

 

[01169]

Maybe the Ukrainians remember the decades of Soviet repression, this isnt some conspiracy here the Holhols were brutally repressed under the Soviets. That might inspire me to take up arms against the Russian Federation if my grandfather was hung from a lampost during the Soviet days. Please dong get too upset with me friends I understand why Russia acts the way she does, but its also easy for me to understand the other side

One of my great-grandfathers was shot by the Soviets. Not in war but in his hometown after "liberation". You don't see me kvetching about the brave Ukies do you? What the fuck does history have to do with this bullshit right now?

They need to stop being butthurt and accept defeat. That doesn't mean they have to become a neutered folk like us Germans. But they're kinda asking for it. It wasn't the Soviets who completely squashed any German nationalist sentiment by the way. I mean it was all under the big blanket of Socialism but they still allowed some sort of autonomy since the GDR was the powerhouse of all the satellite states (doesn't say much I know).

The Western side may have prospered but look at these clowns now. They're basically the Mutts of Europe.

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

Maybe the Ukrainians remember the decades of Soviet repression, this isnt some conspiracy here the Holhols were brutally repressed under the Soviets. That might inspire me to take up arms against the Russian Federation if my grandfather was hung from a lampost during the Soviet days. Please dong get too upset with me friends I understand why Russia acts the way she does, but its also easy for me to understand the other side

This is something I was thinking of bringing up. Something pretty libshit-y is that I understand the Baltics and Ukraine didn't have a nice time under the USSR. But I guess for obvious reasons it's better for the narrative to be that modern Christian White not-Communist Russia be considered the cause/successor to the USSR instead of Marxist and Leftist views.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Maybe the Ukrainians remember the decades of Soviet repression, this isnt some conspiracy here the Holhols were brutally repressed under the Soviets. That might inspire me to take up arms against the Russian Federation if my grandfather was hung from a lampost during the Soviet days. Please dong get too upset with me friends I understand why Russia acts the way she does, but its also easy for me to understand the other side

Epic concern trolling.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

All the training and equipment in the world can only go so far. The United States spent 2 decades training and arming South Vietnam and our Client still lost. Maybe the Ukrainians are just more determined fighters

Whatever helps you keep your silly ideas about small helpless underdog ukraine epically owning big bad incompetent putlermort I guess then.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

Maybe the Ukrainians remember the decades of Soviet repression

Dude I'm not much of a political person, but I can say for sure that this hatred was born recently.
I've been to Ukraine as a Russian in the 2010s, and there was absolutely none of that.
I could pay with rubles in the store (not all of them, but generally it wasn't a big problem). I spoke Russian to everyone, and generally I didn't feel much of a difference between the 2 countries.
So this hatred is something that was manufactured by someone.
And if we follow similar logic, shouldn't every Russian hate Germany and Turkey for countless years of conflict between us? Hate isn't everlasting; you need to fuel it so it doesn't just dwindle out.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I actually think this one is quite likely. Trump is not overly fond of NATO, and he’s already made it clear that he expects euros to spend more and wants the USA to participate less. The EU knows this, and there’s a lot of rhetoric about how the German army needs to become the EU army, so it can properly oppressdefend everyone (but especially governments that try to maintain their liberty, such as Hungary).

To my mind the only countries that count are Germany, France, the UK (arguably) Italy and (even more arguably) Poland. Every US president from Clinton (maybe even Bush 41) on has been begging Europe to up defense spending. They haven't done it yet, and I see no serious movement anywhere, outside of probably Poland to actually do anything. Last I heard the UK is actually disbanding ground units and cutting head count. And if anybody else is increasing the size of ground forces that's news to me.

Please note that I'm not saying it couldn't happen, that the potential isn't there, but I just don't see the will to actually get done what would need to be done to turn the rhetoric spouted into reality.

 

[01169]

This is something I was thinking of bringing up. Something pretty libshit-y is that I understand the Baltics and Ukraine didn't have a nice time under the USSR. But I guess for obvious reasons it's better for the narrative to be that modern Christian White not-Communist Russia be considered the cause/successor to the USSR instead of Marxist and Leftist views.

I think everyone who doesn't sugarcoat history will agree that Soviet leadership wasn't too kind unless you were actively bringing something to the table. Which in a Communist society isn't exactly easy to achieve hence more repression etc.

BUT why would they flock to the EU which is basically the Soviet Union repackaged? It doesn't make sense. It just looks like Russophobia.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Maybe the Ukrainians remember the decades of Soviet repression

No

Holhols were brutally repressed under the Soviets.

You are a retard.

That might inspire me to take up arms against the Russian Federation if my grandfather was hung from a lampost during the Soviet days

Only UPA members hanged. Criminals too.
Conclusion: you are dumbest gorilla nigger possible at the moment.