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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
Starmer has appointed Sue Gray to the lords. I bet he'll have her back in the cabinet next year.


Each Codeine pill contains a 500mg dose of paracetamol, which is processed through the liver. The maximum dose is 1000mg every four hours, with no more than 4000mg in 24 hours. Anyone who takes codeine and then tries to top up with an extra paracetamol will overdose, and is almost guaranteed to suffer severe liver damage as a result. Each year, around 100,000 people require emergency treatment for paracetamol overdose poisoning, with 300 of those dying of acute liver failure. It isn't known how many people die from chronic liver failure caused by paracetamol overconsumption, but given how it functions and is processed it is likely in the thousands, comparable to chronic alcohol poisoning.
Codeine by itself isnt toxic
The problem with paracetamol is that people just doesn't realise how toxic it is due to it being sold practically everywhere
Also there was nearly 8000 deaths by alcohol in 2022
https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/resear...ta/alcohol-consumption-uk-consequences#deaths
 
Codeine by itself isnt toxic
Chronic use over a prolong period is as toxic to the liver as alcohol, even before accounting for the fact that it is never prescribed by itself, but only as a combination pill with paracetamol or ibuprofen.

Also there was nearly 8000 deaths by alcohol in 2022
That number includes anything that can be attributed to alcohol consumption, which is a very broad net that takes in a whole bunch of chronic diseases and conditions. Most of those deaths are at the tail end of prolonged, heavy alcohol consumption. Comparing like to like would see similar death rates attributable to the long term effects of opiate consumption, which obviously includes codeine.

Your argument seems to boil down to "my preferred drug doesn't cause damage if you ignore all the damage it causes". Be consistent, please.
 
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Given recent events in Germany thought this shit worth posting. Especially the gas-lighting of "this is normal, why are you pretending it isn't?"

Christmas shoppers and those visiting festive events across the county have been told not to be alarmed if they see armed police on Surrey's streets this winter. Armed officers will be attending events throughout the Christmas period in a bid to help keep revellers safe.
A Surrey Police spokesperson explained: "Whilst you are out and about at events across Surrey in the festive period, you may see some armed police presence. We appreciate that this can be an alarming sight, which is why we wanted to take the time to reassure you that these are part of routine foot patrols to deter serious criminality and not in response to any particular threat."
There will be dozens of events held across Surrey this Christmas, Surrey Police has not revealed which events or towns will have an armed police presence. But it is important not to be alarmed if you do encounter armed police this month, as they are part of routine foot patrols.

The spokesperson added: "Our officers are more than happy to speak to you when out and about if you have any worries or concerns, and our main objective is to keep the communities of Surrey safe."
If you would like to contact Surrey Police to report an incident or a crime, you can do so by using their online reporting tool here, or by calling Surrey Police on 101. For emergencies or if a crime is in progress call 999.

Surrey Police has said that armed police officers who are patrolling various Christmas markets across the county are part of "routine foot patrols".
The force came under criticism for the decision on social media, which led to them disabling the comments, calling responses "purposefully divisive and inflammatory".
Ch Supt Justin Burtenshaw, Surrey Police's head of protective security, said: "Armed police are deployed 24 hours a day and they have several responsibilities.
"One of these is a standing authority that enables us to patrol throughout the year, to deter serious crime and terrorism."

Ch Supt Burtenshaw added: "There are no particular threats to Surrey but we look at where the high footfall is, and at this time of year lots of people are at Christmas markets."
The police said that the patrols had been taking place in Surrey for the last eight years.
Jane Ogden, professor of psychology at the University of Surrey, said: "Police on the streets is a good thing but the visibility of a gun is something else.
"I have always been proud we don't have guns on our street."
For American readers it is not normal. Which should be fairly obvious with the police having to tell people they might see this while then also claiming that it's nothing out of the ordinary and closing down comments.

On a more horrifying note they are really pressing this traveller shit in Manchester. While I am certain many will see it as unmentionable if the police are told enforcing the laws against those communities is racist half the country is going to look like the worst parts of Africa in a few years.
A charity representing Romani Gypsy, Roma and Irish Traveller communities has brought an official complaint against Greater Manchester Police following the force's controversial use of a dispersal order.
The order saw people from Traveller communities - including many children - who were heading into Manchester to shop and visit the Christmas markets last month turned away from the city centre and put onto trains. Charity The Traveller Movement alleges Romani Gypsies and Irish Travellers were 'unlawfully targeted, marginalised and racially profiled' and claim 'excessive force' was used by officers.
It comes after a mayoral review of the force's use of the tactic found there are 'lessons to be learned'. GMP, however, has defended its decision, saying it received intelligence that groups were causing trouble on trains on their way into Manchester.
After the force delivered its report to Greater Manchester deputy mayor Kate Green, she said she understood the 'rationale' behind the force's decision-making. But she added 'there are lessons to be learned' - including that the force could have 'engaged' with Traveller communities before their arrival in the city centre. She promised to outline her concerns in a letter to Chief Constable Stephen Watson.
A letter of complaint sent to GMP's Professional Standards Directorate by Leigh Day Solicitors, which acts for the charity, argues the force's actions were in 'breach of various duties that must be considered when the police exercise their statutory powers' - namely regarding 'excessive force, false imprisonment, negligence and safeguarding'.
It goes on to alleges 'potential contraventions' of the Equality Act 2010 of the European Convention on Human Rights and Human Rights Act 1998 and calls for an independent inquiry to be held.


The charity alleges in the letter children as young as 10 were forced onto trains to unknown destinations and that others were separated from family members. The incident sparked protest marches and gatherings in the city centre.
"Several individuals reported officers making disparaging remarks about their ethnicity, such as referring to them as 'pikeys', said a statement from the law firm released on Thursday. "Witnesses also described officers removing their badge numbers."
The Traveller Movement allege that 'at no point' did GMP officers make enquiries as to where the children were from or seek to ensure they were placed on trains that would get them home.

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And the charity said 'no effort' was made to ensure appropriate safeguarding procedures were in place, or to enlist responsible adults to manage the situation.
Yvonne MacNamara, CEO of the Traveller Movement, said: "The treatment of Romani Gypsies and Irish Traveller children in this incident is nothing short of appalling. These children were not just excluded from enjoying the Christmas festivities; they were humiliated, manhandled, and denied basic respect and safeguarding by the very authorities tasked with protecting them."
Pauline Melvin-Anderson OBE, Irish Traveller and chair of the Traveller Movement, spoke of 'shocking discrimination'.
"Greater Manchester Police must acknowledge their actions and take immediate steps to address the apparent prejudice that leads to such incidents. Every child, regardless of their background, has the right to feel safe, valued, and included," she said. Ryan Bradshaw, lead lawyer at Leigh Day, said in the letter the charity wants the consideration of a referral to the Independent Office for Police Conduct and the retention of all CCTV and body-worn camera footage.
He said young Travellers came from across the north west, Yorkshire and North Wales. They ranged in age from young children under 10 to young adults under 20, he added. The majority of young adults, added the letter, were acting as 'chaperones'.
Youngsters, said Mr Bradshaw, were prevented by GMP from going into the Arndale Centre and faced 'aggressive questioning'. Children, he alleged, were then 'corralled' into 'small spaces' and taken to waiting trains at Manchester Victoria.

"At no point did the officers make enquiries as to where the children were from, or seek to ensure they were placed on trains that would get them home," he wrote. "There was no effort to enlist responsible adults to manage the situation nor did officers remain on trains with the children to ensure their safety after they had been placed in a particularly vulnerable situation.
"The sole concern here appears to have been moving the Traveller children out of Manchester city centre with urgency. Where they ended up and whether they were safe was of no apparent concern to GMP."
The charity has also asked for a copy of the dispersal order in full.
Mr Bradshaw said in the statement: "The alleged actions taken by Greater Manchester Police are deeply troubling. Young children on their way to the Christmas markets appear to have been treated like football hooligans on a rampage. It is crucial that safeguarding responsibilities are upheld in interactions with all young people, regardless of their heritage or ethnicity.
"This incident represents a clear failure in that regard. We believe a truly independent inquiry should urgently be convened if lessons are to be learned and trust restored."
Deputy mayor Ms Green said this week: "I consider that the issues encountered on the day could have been anticipated sooner and that GMP could have planned and engaged the Romany Gypsy and Irish Traveller communities in advance. This could have prevented this dispersal order being issued and applied in the way that it was.
"I have also asked GMP to review and consider the implications of its decision to put children back on trains, including safeguarding considerations. GMP have confirmed that they will strive to continue engaging with these communities going forward to avoid similar situations arising in future. I have stressed that this engagement must now be a priority."
A GMP spokesperson said: “We understand the concerns expressed by The Traveller Movement charity today. Our Professional Standards Directorate is committed to reviewing all complaints made to us. Just under two weeks ago, we met with representatives from the Romani Gypsy and Irish Traveller community, including The Traveller Movement, to begin addressing their concerns relating to events on the 23 November 2024.
"This forum was open and constructive, and we expressed our regret at the distress and upset these events had caused. We look forward to working more closely with community representatives going forwards."
 
people from Traveller communities - including many children - who were heading into Manchester to shop and visit the Christmas markets last month
Howling. They were coming in to do a handy pre-Christmas pickpocketing and bagsnatching bonanza. The busier the shops are, the easier it is to lift people's purses. The cops knew fine well what the child thieves were coming for and rightly dispersed them. There is no such thing as a gypsy child who doesn't steal; they are beaten by their parents if they don't manage to steal enough.
 
Chronic use over a prolong period is as toxic to the liver as alcohol, even before accounting for the fact that it is never prescribed by itself, but only as a combination pill with paracetamol or ibuprofen.


That number includes anything that can be attributed to alcohol consumption, which is a very broad net that takes in a whole bunch of chronic diseases and conditions. Most of those deaths are at the tail end of prolonged, heavy alcohol consumption. Comparing like to like would see similar death rates attributable to the long term effects of opiate consumption, which obviously includes codeine.

Your argument seems to boil down to "my preferred drug doesn't cause damage if you ignore all the damage it causes". Be consistent, please.
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The NHS literally prescribes codeine pills to people alongside tramadol and dihydrocodeine
 
Alongside endless antidepressants and gabapentin as well!
They will routinely fail to cross check whether someone is on SSRIs or worse, SNRIs before they give them tramadol. Tramadol's main mechanism of action is as an SNRI, not an opioid. Giving it to people who are already taking SNRIs or SSRIs completely fucks them up, in a "possible serotonin syndrome" kind of way.
Gabapentin on top of opioids and benzos - commonly prescribed together in the UK - is a really fucking excellent way to die; the respiratory depressive effect of the gabapentin adds on top of the effects of the other two.
 
You get incredibly high rates of mental health problems and other health issues in isolated northern Scottish towns and it’s publicly attributed to “socioeconomic factors” but boomer medical professionals when no journalists are around to destroy them and still believe in honest conversations will tell you it’s down to inbreeding.
Yeah, I had a small town doc in Scotland tell me this, a while back.
It's people fucking around, no protection, but not really a relationship together except for the ooops baby.
Then, rinse and repeat, you've got tons of half-siblings, half cousins, running around unaware of their relationship. Then they start having kids with each other, splitting up, more kids etc.
It's low class, low IQ, trashy behaviour.
 
Yeah, I had a small town doc in Scotland tell me this, a while back.
It's people fucking around, no protection, but not really a relationship together except for the ooops baby.
Then, rinse and repeat, you've got tons of half-siblings, half cousins, running around unaware of their relationship. Then they start having kids, splitting up, more kids etc.
It's low class, low IQ, trashy behaviour.
Kilsyth. The cops complained to the social work in Kilsyth that the rates of domestics had gone through the roof after FirstBus cancelled the bus service to Camelon.
The reason was simple - now they couldn't get a bus to date people in Camelon, the rates of people dating their own cousins in Kilsyth had gone through the fucking roof. Since they were all fucking related, they kept getting back together and having more domestics.
It was surprisingly common for people in Kilsyth to be cousins both on the maternal and paternal side. The weans were very odd.
Source: a current Scottish Government minister
 
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The NHS literally prescribes codeine pills to people alongside tramadol and dihydrocodeine
That's 3 weak opiods together that have the same mechanism of action on the same opiod receptors.
It particularly confusing to prescribe dihydrocodeine, which is around 3x stronger than codeine, alongside its weaker form.

Each Codeine pill contains a 500mg dose of paracetamol,
I'm being a pedant here, but the pills with paracetamol included are co-codamol. They come in strengths of 8/500, which is 8mg codeine/500mg paracetamol, and 30/500.
If you score the 30/500 you're going to have some happy days on the couch off work.
Codeine can be prescribed separately but you don't see it all that much as it's much more effective when combined with paracetamol.
 
If you score the 30/500 you're going to have some happy days on the couch off work.
I was completely stoned for the first few weeks of the twins' lives (c section recovery). There was a lot of sitting stoned on the couch just generally holding them for about 19 hours a day. Thank god for my mother in law basically taking care of all of us.
 
If you score the 30/500 you're going to have some happy days on the couch off work.
I have a bunch of that in my medicine cabinet. It's what I was prescribed in lieu of actually getting a proper consultation. Mentioned a couple of pages back before getting myself tangled in a tard argument.
 
On the drugs think. My anecdote is yes, lads in there 20s are on codeine and tramadol and treat it as a normal way to deal with pain/injury/depression.

Rant I had a knee problem which turned out to be a back thing, basically fat putting pressure on one part of the lower spine that nerve being squeezed was the one that received signals from my knee so I thought it was my knee. If I'd gone to a doctor (I tried, lol) I'd be on painkillers. I paid a chiropractor £60. He studied how I moved, where the pain was, listened to my history, proved before and after working on me the difference, explained why (fat) and showed what stretching to do to minimise the pain while I lost weight and built muscle to support that area.


Fuck the nhs. They only treat friends and family of nhs employees.
 
On the drugs think. My anecdote is yes, lads in there 20s are on codeine and tramadol and treat it as a normal way to deal with pain/injury/depression.

Rant I had a knee problem which turned out to be a back thing, basically fat putting pressure on one part of the lower spine that nerve being squeezed was the one that received signals from my knee so I thought it was my knee. If I'd gone to a doctor (I tried, lol) I'd be on painkillers. I paid a chiropractor £60. He studied how I moved, where the pain was, listened to my history, proved before and after working on me the difference, explained why (fat) and showed what stretching to do to minimise the pain while I lost weight and built muscle to support that area.


Fuck the nhs. They only treat friends and family of nhs employees.
So much pain problems would be sorted by telling people to lose weight. Our bodies aren’t meant to be that big and it fucks up a ton of shit carrying around that weight.

I felt terrible after bloating during Covid. I got back into weight lifting (which I should never have stopped) and feel amazing again.

I’m glad you got sorted, bong bro. I’ve got a bunch of stories about otherwise perfectly healthy people who get a injury, go the doctors, get pills, and months later are begging family members for any left over cocodemol they have it’s frightening. They’re acting like junkies and everyone ignores it because they get their fix from the NHS.

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I’m one of those alcoholics that is up early on a Saturday morning to eat breakfast and hydrate, pack his gym bag, and didn’t touch alcohol.

I’m going to be acting like a full blown alchie over Christmas though. I won’t be touching painkillers for my hangover either.
 
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