I have a niece who wants to transition, how do I talk her down from it?

[skykiii]

Part of the problem is she's not my kid, she's my sister's.

At the moment its just a phase where she's got short hair and saying everyone should say she's a boy. Her family kinda goes along with it--I'm the only one who really challenges it. Sadly the mom is kind of gullible and tends to believe the media at face value.

Hope spot: my niece isn't completely dumb. Like she agrees that "neo-pronouns" are retarded. And I think the parents have said they won't let her get drugs or surgery until she's older.

My niece herself believes in some brain chemicals shit making her want to be a boy.

Like... how do I handle this situation?

Serious advice only please.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Sounds like shitposting, but is logically sound

Try the following

 

[The Repeated Meme]

This is not a battle worth fighting. You're trans? OK. Have fun with that. I want to add though that I wouldn't be saying that if you were the parent. If my kids told me they're trans I would say, no you're not, and leave it at that.

And if they still didn't get it I would re-explain the gender differences to them and why that's ok until they understood.

I don't care what other parents do, but as a parent if my child did this I would not go along with it, and I would have very serious discussion with them until they understood why what they believe is wrong.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Ask her if she wants to have children someday. Life-changing disruption of the endocrine and reproductive systems shortens life and makes caring for oneself difficult, while caring for others nearly impossible. That is not an optional outcome. It is the only outcome when it comes to these deceitful practices. "Transitioning" is never the product of healthy minds. Poisoning healthy tissue, bones, and organs in an attempt to cure some mental malady won't make her happy. Tell her there's nothing wrong with being a girl. Gender is ultimately nonsense. What she is, a female, is what matters. Who she is is what matters. The only thing she ought to focus on changing is her attitude. Trying to become someone or something other than what she is is no path to happiness but ruin. Only those who hate themselves, hate what they are, do such things.

 

[Paper Machete]

If you aren't the parent/guardian there is little you can realistically do as anything that would be likely to help would be infringing on their territory as the parents. You can try to talk to them about what they're thinking of it and direct them to info and perhaps take chances to ask questions that may impact some self reflection and doubt in the practice but other than that not much. I would refuse to use any pronouns and such though. That is your right imo. If she tries to convince you otherwise simply explain you do not belief in it and would be like expecting someone to pray if they aren't Christian and vice versa.

 

[Vernerus]

Go into visceral detail of what will happen 5 years down the road when she wants to kill herself because of her poor decisions.

 

[Rudolf's Friend]

show her the video “Transtastic Tales: How the Sausage is Made” by Mister Metokur, specifically the uncensored version on bitchute

 

[Shroom King]

Point out that Ellen Page's acting career completely stalled after she turned into a boy.

 

[Vect]

Point out that Ellen Page's acting career completely stalled after she turned into a boy.

Well, in general, point out to her with pictures, on how pooners are literally the saddest people in modern society, and that her future will likely be an angry midget with chest scars and a vagina that nobody will give a shit about. Tell her than being trans is not a fad and LGBTQWTF 'Pride' is cope advertising. You can phrase it this way - "Isn't it disrespectful to the LGBT community to transition if you're not actually trans, and don't fit in? Isn't it kind of appropriation? Trans people suffer all the time. you know, they say 41% of them kill themselves or think about suicide. That's not how you want to live, right?"

Also make sure she's not into Yaoi or any of that stuff.

 

[Clout $ Monei]

If she's going through puberty, she might have a difficult time with it and would benefit from having female relatives reassure her. Tell her that it sucked for them too but it's worth it and part of maturing and becoming what she's meant to be. Re-framing puberty as a natural transition (as opposed to an artificial one) could make being transgender seem less appealing in comparison maybe.
Alternatively, and I hope it's not the case for her sake, she could be having trouble with unwanted attention from boys/men and try to get away from it by de-feminizing herself. It's a hard topic to approach but keep an eye or an ear out for that too, and encourage other relatives to be attentive to that.
And of course work on the parents, if they're naive about gender stuff you should make them aware of the reality of it. Just don't be a sperg and try to giga redpill them out of nowhere. Share the odd article from gender critical sources, or tell them about a few high profile cases that put a bad light on trannies like the pooner shooter Audrey Hale, or show them videos of Tik Tok pooners wrecking themselves from pretty girls into bald midgets.

 

[Bonedome]

The whole fairy tale of transitioning is that you transition. Sure you might not be a boy but testosterone will make you sound like one and increase your muscle mass and put hair on your face, dewd. Sure you might not be a girl but estrogen softens the skin and you even grow boobs. Who cares about bottom surgery? The advancements in technology basically make it so it's indistinguishable from the real thing!

Now obviously those are all half-truths and the reality is depressing. I'd probably show the kid the growing list of FtM de-transitioners and empathize with the phase while stressing how much therapy and growing up you should do before biting the bullet on these life altering choices. The brain allegedly is done cooking around 25, so why start this now when in 5 years you could wake up one day and not want to do this anymore. Think you're special? Why are there hundreds or thousands of examples of people growing out of it? Why does it take a woman sounding like a man and going bald at 20 before realizing it was a phase? Keffals even shit talked that woman. Which is another point: The gender cult will not give a fuck about you.

There's nothing wrong with playing with the boys (or conversely having masculine hobbies) and wearing baggy shirts and having short hair, but you don't need to become a slave to the medical establishment and fuck your body up to do those either.

 

[Space Police]

Hope spot: my niece isn't completely dumb. Like she agrees that "neo-pronouns" are retarded. And I think the parents have said they won't let her get drugs or surgery until she's older.

My niece herself believes in some brain chemicals shit making her want to be a boy.

This means she's a truscum, so it will probably be very difficult to talk her out of this. She's further gone than the average tranny because she thinks there's a medical basis for her gender confusion, and she laughs at neopronouns to show that she's a lot more sure with herself than the average tranny. Yet, at the end of the day, this is just an extreme form of "not like the other girls". She thinks she's so unlike the other girls she's not even a girl, and she's soooo unlike those other ex-girls that she's less of a girl than they ever were. Find some way to show her that she is, in fact, like the other girls and that female solidarity is a great thing, and she'll probably begin to desist. Don't mention any trans stuff to her; that will just make her dig her heels in deeper, and that's ultimately a symptom of the problem, not the root cause.

"Isn't it disrespectful to the LGBT community to transition if you're not actually trans, and don't fit in? Isn't it kind of appropriation? Trans people suffer all the time. you know, they say 41% of them kill themselves or think about suicide. That's not how you want to live, right?"

Her response will be that she's actually trans and she fits in very well because she has the medical condition of male brain in female body, that she is one of those suffering trans people at constant risk of suicide, and that you're cruelly lumping her in with the trenders making a mockery of her medical condition.

 

[Jerry1337]

Part of the problem is she's not my kid, she's my sister's.
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Hope spot: my niece isn't completely dumb.
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Like... how do I handle this situation?

You probably can't do very much to change the trajectory of this situation, since you're not her parent or guardian.

From my perspective, you have two ways you can realistically resolve this situation, or at least get a chance to resolve it:

1. Since you claim that she might be a little bit more self-aware than the other troons, just talk to her and try to make her reconsider if this is the right thing to do. Do it in a calm manner and don't force this conversation on her. Just question her and express your concerns as questions. Like, for example: imply to her that you've ""heard"" HRT and sex change surgery "'might"" be unhealthy, and ask her if this is something she's willing to risk her health over. Just try come off as dumb. Just talk to her.

2. Talk to her parents. This might be harder since you said that her mother is a more brainwashed individual, talk to father instead. Maybe he will understand. If you're scared about what they will think of you when you will raise your concerns, just do the same shtick, act dumb.

Other than that, I don't see nothing else you can do. If nothing works, you will just have to suck it then.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

Show her this thread.

 

[peachlover669]

Read out the YWNBAW pasta to her and slip memes of pepe the frog under her door

on a more serious note: Break her phone over your knee and ensure that the parents are too poor to ever buy her another one.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Talk to your own sister, not your niece.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

Start doing things that are stereo-typically masculine and disgusting in front of her, like belch or fart or get your hands greasy from a bag of chips and don't wash it. If she shows any sort of disgust from your actions just tell her that this is masc behavior that all men do.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

Not knowing you or your niece or if she'll even listen to you it's difficult to come up with advice. You might want to check with advice from people who know both of you. Anyone in your vicinity that is somewhat on the level.

There's tons of ways to play this, all of which might fail depending on the details of your situation.

Also if she's online she's probably moving in progressive spaces that reinforces her belief. Could be bad or less bad.. If that's the case she'd need another perspective, but any perspective that clash with her environment will cause massive cognitive dissonance so it'd need to be presented in a way to either minimize that or get her desensitized to countering opinions before you get cut off from the family. Being consistently honest repeatedly can help people question their beliefs but it's also a good way to get them pissed at you. Especially if they are easily annoyed.

You could try to take it all very seriously and try to be supportive to build trust and help her question shit but that can sort of become overtly manipulative and also might backfire and encourage her.

It's probably good talking to her parents but we don't know how close you are to your sister or how gullible she is so that could also backfire.

You could be stubbornly honest, supportive, go talk to her parents, something else.

Whatever you do it's probably going to require some solid level of social aptitude and social awareness so make a thorough and sincere introspection in your own abilities with that and if you think you are lacking then probably get someone else to help you.

 

[Idiotron]

Tell the parents exactly what happens during a sex change procedure and what are the long term side effects.
Be explicit, don't omit any details.
Show them videos if you can find any.
Just make sure they will not fund any surgery or hormone therapy.

Wokeness is already going away so if the niece doesn't take the medical route, she will quit in 5 years max because people will be laughing at her.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

This is a bit of a pointless exercise since you aren't her parent, but:

There's probably at least a 90% chance that if your family just doesn't allow her to do anything stupid that will do permanent damage (i.e. hormones or surgery) she'll get over it. Young girls have always gone through these sorts of phases, nowadays the "thing" is just being gender special. They'll be over it by their early-mid 20s at the latest.

There seem to be a lot of kiwis that are a rather hysterical about the tranny shit; lecturing kids or freaking out is just going to make the situation worse, undermine their confidence in you, and make them more drawn into it.
Again, so long as the situation doesn't progress to the point she's hurting herself, let them believe what they want to and don't take it that seriously.

For all you know, she could be over this shit in a year. Catastrophizing only aggravates these situations.

It doesn't sound like the girl's doing it because she's been traumatized or has any creeps in her ear, so just be a good family, set a good example, and be receptive if they have issues (as usual) and everything will probably be fine.