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Are We Being Punished For A Feminist Utopia That Never Even Happened?​

Last week, I watched Girls Gone Wild: The Untold Story on Peacock, which, unsurprisingly, was fairly disturbing on a number of levels, starting with the fact that most people at the time thought “getting young women extremely drunk and then convincing them to take their tops off on camera” was a fairly normal, “boys will be boys!” thing to do.

The thing that really struck me, though, was the fact that it remained “normal” until about 2011, when creator Joe Francis was arrested for false imprisonment and assault, after he brought three women home after a night out and refused to let them leave, ultimately attacking one of them and bashing her head into the floor. Francis had long been Public Enemy #1 for feminists (along with, on the other end of the spectrum, the Christian patriarchs who fake-married their daughters at Purity Balls), but at that point, no one was really paying any attention to us.

The reason I bring this up, the reason it struck me, is because I don’t think I really realized until just then what an incredibly short time period it was between the end of that era — this era where bro culture was celebrated, where rape culture was celebrated, where women’s sexuality was a thing within their control whichever way they chose to control it, in which beautiful female celebrities were excoriated for being a size four in public — and the era we are now in.

Because we hear a lot about it from their end, right? The story, as they tell it, is that there were all these ostensibly “liberal” men who “voted for Obama,” but then the Left “just went too far” and drove them into the loving, misogynistic arms of Andrew Tate and Donald Trump. And now they’re lonely and they don’t know how to be men and it is a full-on crisis! A crisis I tell you! And an epidemic!

The way they talk, you would think that they had been forced to live in this horrible matriarchal world for years, during where they weren’t allowed any free speech, were constantly accused of rapes they didn’t commit, were told constantly by everyone that they were garbage and that they had to apologize for being born male.

But let’s piece together this timeline, shall we?

2011: Joe Francis arrested, “Entourage” ends.

2012: During a stand-up set, comedian Daniel Tosh starts talking about how rape jokes are “always” funny — causing a woman in the audience to yell, “Actually, rape jokes are never funny!”, to which he responds, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, five guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her?”

— Also, Tucker Max, who was celebrated for having written a book called I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell, in which he tells multiple stories of having sex with extremely intoxicated women, “retires” from being Tucker Max.

2013: We have the rape joke discourse, led by then-Jezebel writer Lindy West. On the one hand, you have feminists saying “This shit isn’t actually funny,” and on the other, approximately 87 million op-eds about how we must protect the sanctity of rape jokes.

— The campus rape discourse begins. Women who have been raped on campus discuss both the problem of rape on campus and the tendency of school officials to do nothing about it, asking people to take it more seriously and criticizing men who have sex with women when they are too intoxicated to consent. This is followed by years of people complaining that we can’t take these women seriously, because what if they are just having day-after regrets because the man didn’t send them flowers or call them back or something?

2014: In May, incel Elliot Rodger kills six people because he is angry that women won’t have sex with him.

— In August, Gamergate begins — starting out as a rage against progressive videogame developer Zoë Quinn from gamers who believe that she only got good reviews for a game she made that they didn’t like because she had a sexual relationship with a video game reviewer (who never actually reviewed her game). It turns into unfettered rage and harassment against women who dare to criticize games for being misogynistic, and then against all “Social Justice Warriors” in general.

— We have the street harassment discourse, started by Black women on social media, in which women publicly discussed the general unpleasantness of not being able to walk to the grocery store without some guy yelling “Nice tits!” at us. This is quickly followed by approximately 87 million “How are men even supposed to talk to women if they can’t yell at them while they walk down the street?” and “But it’s a compliment!” and “I’m a woman and it makes me feel pretty when men I don’t know compliment my ass!” op-eds.

— The height of the affirmative consent discourse, in which people discuss why it’s important to have affirmative and enthusiastic consent at each stage of sexual activity. Some states implement “Yes Means Yes” laws — so that, instead of asking campus rape victims whether they were clear enough that they did not want to have sex with someone, accused rapists will be asked how they obtained consent, This was, naturally, followed by lots of complaining that it will ruin sex.

2015: Donald Trump begins his presidential campaign, ultimately winning in part due to a backlash to “social justice” activism — feminist activism and rape culture discourse in particular.

So let’s just stop there for now. This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, because I know we had a few more discourses and we certainly had a lotmore incel mass murders. But it doesn’t need to be, because the main thing I want to point out is that, at the very most, we had a few years of public discussions of things women had grown real fucking sick of, each of which was swiftly followed by an inevitable “Has feminism gone too far?!?” backlash from those who thought everything was fine the way it was and had been — mostly from those with bigger platforms and more power than we ever had.

This, frankly, has been the case for all social justice movements that have occurred over the last few years — not just feminism and rape culture, but also racism, police brutality and trans rights. You see a groundswell of actual people talking about their experiences and how best to change things so that other people don’t have to go through them, and a swift and terrible backlash from those who say they would like those other people to shut up, please.

Donald Trump was elected again this year, and again we were all told “This is all because you all just went too far! They just couldn’t take it anymore!”

But like, in the end, what did they have to take? People talking publicly on social media? People making art, movies, television shows, music, video games, etc. that they don’t like? Or publicly criticizing things they do like or behavior they enjoy engaging in?

That’s nothing. Especially when compared to everything that everyone else was expected to go through and shut up about. I’d like to point out that, quite notably, taking rape more seriously did not lead to any epidemic of men being sent to prison for not sending flowers or calling the day after.

One of the most jarring points of the “Girls Gone Wild” documentary is one in which a girl recounts how she ended up in a video when she was 17 years old (making it, legally, child pornography), and one of the male teachers at her high schoolresponded by asking her to autograph a copy for him. That’s just one moment, one small snapshot of what was meant to be acceptable back then.

And, you know, at no point did anyone back then publicly wonder or wring their hands about “Is the patriarchy going too far?” Rather, then, as now, most public discussion was about what was wrong with the girls who were doing this, not the men who produced it.

It’s not at all surprising to me that men living in that social environment felt “safe” voting for Barack Obama, or felt like they were totally liberal because they wanted to legalize weed and didn’t care if people were gay or not. Because they could vote for Obama and feel like a good liberal while chanting “Iron my shirt!” at Hillary Clinton. Everything was going really well for them and no one was really challenging the status quo, at least not anyone they were paying any attention to. This is part of what they mean when they say “the Left left me!”

(And, again, that’s just the feminist side of it. They were also “totally fine” with Black people until Black people started bringing up police brutality and racism, and fine with LGBTQ+ people when they thought that civil rights push would end with marriage.)

We’re being punished right now for a feminist utopia we never even had. We went straight from the Girls Gone Wild Era to the Gamergate/Incel mass murder era to the the Trump era. And while a whole lot has changed in terms of what we are willing to put up with or be quiet about, the only thing that has actually changed about the patriarchy has been the flavor it takes on.
 
The way they talk, you would think that they had been forced to live in this horrible matriarchal world for years, during where they weren’t allowed any free speech, were constantly accused of rapes they didn’t commit, were told constantly by everyone that they were garbage and that they had to apologize for being born male.
Yes, that is exactly what's been happening for decades with increasing loudness and intrusiveness into people's lives. You pushed too far, too fast. You boiled the frog too quick. Sow the wind, and reap the whirlwind.

I’d like to point out that, quite notably, taking rape more seriously did not lead to any epidemic of men being sent to prison for not sending flowers or calling the day after.
That's cause they got charged with rape. Were tried for rape, were convicted, and sentenced for rape. The only person who knows the actual reason for the accusation of rape is the woman who was "raped" because she didn't get a call or flowers.

One of the most jarring points of the “Girls Gone Wild” documentary is one in which a girl recounts how she ended up in a video when she was 17 years old (making it, legally, child pornography), and one of the male teachers at her high schoolresponded by asking her to autograph a copy for him. That’s just one moment, one small snapshot of what was meant to be acceptable back then.
Fascinating how the author thinks this incident is some great horror when ass fucking, and carpet munching is taught to middle schoolers nowadays.

We’re being punished right now for a feminist utopia we never even had.
As you should. We all see where your feminism is taking us, and we, the people do not like it.

The sooner women like this die off, the better society and male/female relations will be. Please kill yourself, dear. Its for the children.
 
All right, here's how you know feminism failed: nearly every fucking day I look at Facebook (yes, I know, but it tells me what fun shit is going on near me), and I see at least one post talking about something to do with women as some sort of impenetrable monolith: strong, accomplished and empowered; or that women are constantly put upon because they have to take shit from men and women must commiserate or else be called a "pick-me". It's all patriarchy and women are fucking wonderful.

You know who doesn't engage in any of this shit?

MEN.

If you have to keep putting it out there that you're either strong and wonderful or beleaguered and exhausted, you're deep in feeling things and you've decided you need validation more than you need to actually accomplish shit instead of living off the glories of the few women who didn't constantly need to be back-patted into doing them.

Feminism failed because women still don't understand that for true equality, you need to stop feeling and start doing.
 
Fascinating how the author thinks this incident is some great horror when ass fucking, and carpet munching is taught to middle schoolers nowadays.
A 7 year old girl is mature and wise enough to decide they not only want but need to stop themselves from going through puberty - thus guaranteeing herself a lifetime of medical industrial complex Hellraiser level horrors, a 13 year old girl is mature and wise enough to decide they want need to undergo a double mastectomy because despite every cell in her body saying otherwise she's acksually a boy but a 17 year old displaying her breasts and being recorded while doing so constitutes the production of child pornography documenting the manipulation, abuse, humiliation and rape of a vulnerable child who doesn't know any better.

This is your mind on liberalism, this is what they actually believe.
 
"Remember when Girls Gone Wild was celebrated?"

It was never celebrated. It was always considered pornographic. Just because something is allowed to exist doesn't mean it is being "celebrated." This madwoman has based her thesis, perhaps even woridview, on an obvious untruth.
 
Feminism failed because women still don't understand that for true equality, you need to stop feeling and start doing.
Feminism hasn't failed. Feminists continue to get everything they want. For one example, the entire way rapes are handled on campus was a shitshow of rights abuses for men, and yet it still happened. Feminism was never about being legally or socially equal. It was always about keeping women on the pedestal that Christians had put women on, while at the same time allowing women to do as they please, including murdering their own children.
 
This article is a good example as to why I don't like video essays, articles and the like, compared to debates or less confrontational conversations between people with opposing views, the reason being that when you get a person to speak in an uninterrupted manner they can speak for 30 minutes with a cascade of stupid bullshit, if people who don't agree were allowed to respond in real time they would be able to say: "stop, no, that's not how it works", "nah, that's false", "that's not what happened", "that's a very inaccurate representation of what's going", etc.

For example in the first paragraph the author talks about how it was considered normal to "get women drunk" and then convincing them to show their tits: The women were drinking out of their own will because they thought it was fun, they are not being made to drink by evil men against their will, and they also showed their tits because they thought it was fun, there is nothing strange or evil about this, and now we live in a society where women doing porn is the most normal thing in the world, which is much worse than just showing your tits, if this was a debate or a conversation someone could say in real time what I just said, and the conversation would take a much different turn because the other person faces opposition and has to defend their ideas, instead on these retarded articles and stupid video essays by redditards the person expressing their opinion can just write a TL;DR or speak for 30 minutes without being questioned, and the opinion gets more delusional as it goes on because the dumbass author keeps building up their argument based on things that are wrong.

Example of this two posts above mine:
"Remember when Girls Gone Wild was celebrated?"

It was never celebrated. It was always considered pornographic. Just because something is allowed to exist doesn't mean it is being "celebrated." This madwoman has based her thesis, perhaps even woridview, on an obvious untruth.
 
Dude. I just want to be able to:

- ride public transit without being set on fire by an illegal immigrant or attacked by a feral hobo

- travel by myself to places that won’t charge me with adultery if I get raped

- be able to see justice if I DO get raped (unlike say in progressive city Chicago, where only 30% of rape kits were ever actually looked at)

- change into my swimsuit at the pool without being flashed by lecherous troons

Shame on the author dragging the election of Donald Trump into this. As you can see from above, leftists are the ones preventing me from enjoying my own personal feminist utopia.
 
"Remember when Girls Gone Wild was celebrated?"

It was never celebrated. It was always considered pornographic. Just because something is allowed to exist doesn't mean it is being "celebrated." This madwoman has based her thesis, perhaps even woridview, on an obvious untruth.
Also, somehow, a creepy sex pest going to prison for being a creepy sex pest is proof that society tolerates and encourages being a creepy sex pest?
 
There will never be any good feminist action within the West until women show solidarity with each other and take up the 4b movement.
Please do, all women who willingly sign up for that shit are voluntarily marking themselves as defective and removing defective genes from the gene pool. It is a great service to humanity.
 
So do we now need the utopia to actually happen to be punished for things? Guess she'd agree that white people shouldn't be punished because they never got their white-only ethnostate. Or the nazis, since they didn't finish that whole reich thing.
 
Yes, the modern feminist utopia where woman get fucked on camera for a few hundred dollars by a stranger. Hoping to to take enough cock to hit that 1% on OF where they can get rich by selling their body. This is empowering BTW.

Also empowering is being a wage slave. A cog in the machine, working a job you hate, to make money for a big corperation. Men do this because they get satisfaction in providing for their family, but women shouldn't bother with that family nonsense.

Demeaning: Having a husband who loves you and provides for you, and having chidren you love and take care of.

I honestly feel bad for women at this point, society has all the pressure on you to make all the wrong decisions, and ruin your life.

There is no motivation for a woman not to be slutty, not to divorce over the slighest thing, have children with a total loser, etc. They have to live with the consequences, of with the same advocates dismiss, or decry as unfair.
 
Women willingly drink alcohol until they get very drunk and then get mad when men don't take care of them... I'll never understand that.

2012: During a stand-up set, comedian Daniel Tosh starts talking about how rape jokes are “always” funny — causing a woman in the audience to yell, “Actually, rape jokes are never funny!”, to which he responds, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, five guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her?”
Now I know where a terrible SVU episode came from.

The episode and joke were not funny, not bc rape jokes aren't funny, but becuz these specifically were not.
 
Great Ganergate paragraph. poor Zoe Quinn, who convinced two men to do all the work with her idea via sex, let's astroturf her 10 years later with the most charitable mistelling of the tale, because it's not like self-policing "coverage, not reviews" ever corrected the record for anyone, anywhere.

Wouldn't it be so funny,if after submitting this article, the author just got instantly raped by 5 male editors simultaneously? And a Jezebel writer happened to just be there and watch to write about it later but no one but us reads it because it's Jezebel? That would be so fucking funny, hahaha. 😒
 
I honestly feel bad for women at this point, society has all the pressure on you to make all the wrong decisions, and ruin your life.
Fuck 'em. No sympathy. Do they care about men? No, of course not. On the contrary, the worse men have it, the more they like it. They like seeing making men suffer. Quit giving a shit about wahmens, 'cause they don't give a shit about you.
 
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