US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[LurkTrawl]

"You" being the person who has bought into society and pays taxes or "you" being a politician? If it's the politician I would consider that an incentive to create conditions where we end up with the maximal amount of net positive taxpayers.

You being the voting caste and their representatives. The problem isn't who is allowed to vote, half the nation doesn't. The problem is the culture, the information environment, education... it's a lot but cutting the vote is cutting off your leg to spite your foot. It'll end in civil war. Just cutting benefits programs wouldn't cause the same kind of uproar and for obvious, and good, reasons that I don't feel I need to expound upon as they're self-evident.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

Until you and your buddies buy out all the land so instead of 80 million people voting its just 80 people voting, all of whom agree with you.

80 people you can hold directly hold responsible sounds like an improvement tbh.

 

[Betonhaus]

Reminds me of the idiots who tried to rob a liquor store in Norco and got their fucking arm blown off with a shotgun. You'd think people would learn not to rob shit in Norco after that bank robbery back in 1980.

Regarding all the votesperging. If you really want to fix it all you need to do is take No Taxation Without Representation literally. As in you don't vote, ok you don't have to pay taxes. The benefits of this are obvious.
1: The people who shouldn't be voting won't be voting
2: Gives you defacto voter ID law by requiring people show they filed taxes to vote
3: Incentivises the government to put forth plans people actually want so they feel compelled to pay taxes to vote
4: Gives people the ability to basically dissolve the government by simply not voting, denying them any funding

So to make sure I understand correctly: is the cutoff that anyone who's taxes either balance out or gives them a credit are unable to vote, or that people can choose to waive their right to vote in order to avoid paying taxes? Or both, where only if you owe taxes AND pay the taxes can you vote?

 

[FILTH Tourist]

You also fail to answer the question of what happens if a major conglomerate literally buys all the land/houses.

Because it's a dumb question. If hypothetically it gets that bad (and the homeowners don't vote on a solution to this problem) and land is needed to vote people will start gunning after the company. If Luigi is seen as a hero for shooting an insurance CEO imagine the guy who kills anyone involved with the company preventing you and your family from owning a house and voting.

Direct election of the Senate preventd unelectable cunts from having jobs for life where they can harm the rabble with impunity.

But we still have plenty of cunts that harm the rabble with impunity who were voted in by said rabble.

 

[FieldPiece]

So to make sure I understand correctly: is the cutoff that anyone who's taxes either balance out or gives them a credit are unable to vote, or that people can choose to waive their right to vote in order to avoid paying taxes? Or both, where only if you owe taxes AND pay the taxes can you vote?

If you waive your right to vote you don't have to pay taxes.

 

[Betonhaus]

If you waive your right to vote you don't have to pay taxes.

That seems ripe for disaster. Everyone who gets a tax rebate would vote (such as welfare kweens), but not everyone who owes taxes would. Unless you had a cutoff of minimum taxes paid.

 

[Conan]

If you waive your right to vote you don't have to pay taxes.

got it backwards, if you don't pay taxes you can't vote

 

[#lurker]

The common argument against "conspiracies" is that large groups of people can't keep a secret. And like always, this is proven wrong again with the latest admittal that Biden has been demented throughout his whole term. Everyone knew, his staff, the entire press, world leaders, everyone. But they are only able to admit this now. And yet they all went along with it for four years. It's easy to keep a "secret" when it's your career, social pressure, political team, etc.

Daily reminder to never let people gaslight you about "conspiracies."

 

[FieldPiece]

That seems ripe for disaster. Everyone who gets a tax rebate would vote (such as welfare kweens), but not everyone who owes taxes would. Unless you had a cutoff of minimum taxes paid.

How are they gonna pay the welfare queens if most normal people don't vote because they'd rather just not pay taxes? This would also invalidate illegals, welfare queens, and other degenerates from voting since they don't pay taxes. The biggest benefit of this system is really that it makes it clear to the government that they work for the people not the other way around because people can just say "your ideas suck ass, you lied on your campaign, and you're a faggot, no paycheck for you". Obviously this would require some reform of how politicians get paid, the banking system, etc. But it actually gives people power over government instead of just vooting. It forces the government to make a case for why it deserves to exist in its current form instead of just assraping you and you can't do anything about it.

 

[FieldPiece]

got it backwards, if you don't pay taxes you can't vote

It's fundamentally the same thing. If you don't pay taxes you don't get to vote. It's just that you can choose not to vote in order to not pay taxes. No taxation without representation also implies no representation without taxation.

Sorry for doublepost cannot edit in quote for some reason. For penance take this breaking news story revealing Jimmy Carter has killed himself.

Spoiler: Spoilered for length

 

[mandatorylurk]

She killed the kid:

Putting Bill in a Schrodinger's Cat position in preparation for taking the fall for the Epstein List:

 

[FieldPiece]

She killed the kid:

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Putting Bill in a Schrodinger's Cat position in preparation for taking the fall for the Epstein List:

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Well Bill most certainly would have evidence leading to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

 

[UnKillFill]

To be honest, Rod Blagojevich's case was odd in its brazenness. That kind of blatant corruption in the US system is rare.

Not in Chicago/the rest of Illinois.

 

[Betonhaus]

How are they gonna pay the welfare queens if most normal people don't vote because they'd rather just not pay taxes? This would also invalidate illegals, welfare queens, and other degenerates from voting since they don't pay taxes. The biggest benefit of this system is really that it makes it clear to the government that they work for the people not the other way around because people can just say "your ideas suck ass, you lied on your campaign, and you're a faggot, no paycheck for you". Obviously this would require some reform of how politicians get paid, the banking system, etc. But it actually gives people power over government instead of just vooting. It forces the government to make a case for why it deserves to exist in its current form instead of just assraping you and you can't do anything about it.

You would want to have an emphasis on needing to be a taxpayer to vote. The Democrats have turned 90% of their voters into mindless cattle who's only purpose in life is to vote Democrat. Many welfare programs and services solely exist to keep the cattle fat and happy so they can continue to milk them for votes.

If you make it so that people who pay no taxes can always vote, the Democrats will just continue to enact policies that increases the number of non-taxpayers, while jacking up taxes to the rest to discourage them from voting (and coming up with additional sales taxes and other fees so they get their money anyways).

Instead you want a system where people who pay into the system are the ones who choose how it runs. They would vote for policies that ensure that people can continue to work and earn money. In the hybrid system the greedy and evil would be forced to choose between voting for destructive policies or saving money, and they won't always choose the former.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Instead you want a system where people who pay into the system are the ones who choose how it runs.

From that springs the argument that those who pay the most should have the most say and then we're even further into the arms of corpo-woke hell than we were prior. Maybe try convincing the half of the country that doesn't vote, to begin voting, rather than cutting people out of the vote, first.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

She killed the kid:

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Putting Bill in a Schrodinger's Cat position in preparation for taking the fall for the Epstein List:

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Or she is just getting fat which would be much funnier.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

I see the latest propaganda "muh pediatric cancer bill" NPC chip has been successfully installed in the brains of all of the midwits.

 

[Kovachs]

Regarding voting, to filter out the poorest and most ignorant people, just make it harder to vote by charging a fee for a mandatory voter ID, somewhere around the ballpark of $200 or more (for "administrative fees", of course). We also need to make the process more complicated. If the government is good at anything, it is making things more complicated.

 

[just Reading a post]

Instead you want a system where people who pay into the system are the ones who choose how it runs.

Service guarantees citizenship.
The words and ideas of Heinlein already suggested a fix. But the issue is so much deeper. There is much criticism of a world Heinlein wanted as well, like what happens when you run out of enemy's. The state has to manufacture a scapegoat to blame failures on. Leading to show trials and the state making patsys of its own people to keep control.
Generally i agree with paying in to the system to have a say.
But i support nepo baby disfranchisement.
If your daddy is successful. You don't get a fucking say till you build something worth equal to his. There is no free ride, because your daddy worked hard.

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

The words and ideas of Heinlein already suggested a fix. But the issue is so much deeper. There is much criticism of a world Heinlein wanted as well, like what happens when you run out of enemy's. The state has to manufacture a scapegoat to blame failures on. Leading to show trials and the state making patsys of its own people to keep control.

Don't confuse Verhoeven and Neumeier's Federation with Heinlein's.