Juhl: The children of polyamorous parents are doing just fine

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Olivia’s husband’s name is Marc. Her boyfriend’s name is also Marc. It’s fine, people know who she’s talking about because of context, or because she’ll call them Husband Marc and Boyfriend Marc.

The kids call the second one their “funcle.”

The former Montrealers, whose names have been changed to protect their family’s privacy, have been in a polyamorous relationship for a few years. Polyamory is a form of ethical non-monogamy, when people engage in two or more simultaneous romantic, platonic or sexual relationships. Everyone in the “polycule” is aware of the other relationships.

Recent studies suggest around one in five Canadians have had a consensual non-monogamous relationship, which can also include swinging or open relationships.

A turning point in their 16-year marriage came in 2019, as Olivia accepted her bisexuality and was exposed to the concept of ethical non-monogamy.

“I was raised conservatively, so I struggled to accept my own sexuality,” Olivia says. “This sounded like an option that could allow me to explore that and maintain my current loving and stable relationship. We went into this knowing that our foundation is strong and if things became difficult or the foundation was shaken, things could return to the way they were.”

Two of their three kids are teenagers who live at home; they knew they’d have to talk to them about it, eventually. But they didn’t expect the kids to bring it up.

That happened in early 2020.

“We sat right there in the kitchen that night and explained everything,” Olivia says. “I explained my changing sexuality and what our hopes were for becoming a non-monogamous couple.”

Avery, who was 13, appeared unmoved, she says. Kaden, 11 years old at the time, was worried it meant their parents were getting a divorce.

“I did my best to comfort and reassure them with the truth. I explained that Mommy and Daddy love each other very much and we’re really good friends, too. Good friends work really hard to make their relationship happy and this is something we’re trying that could make us even happier.”

Olivia didn’t know it then, but her instincts are backed up by research.

‘The family universe’ Quebec researchers interviewed 18 children from 10 different polyamorous Canadian families to determine how children connect with their parents’ partners. The findings were published in August in the Journal of Social and Personal Relationships.

Many of the families they spoke with had become polyamorous in recent years, so they had to come out to their children, and most partners did not live in the family home. The kids, who were between five and 16 years old, reported they appreciated open communication and that their rhythm was respected as new partners were introduced into their lives.

“With the teenagers we talked to, this was something that was important to ensure a smooth transition when integrating someone new in the family universe,” says lead author Milaine Alarie, an affiliate professor with the Institut national de la recherche scientifique’s urbanization, culture and society centre and an expert in consensual non-monogamy.

“We do know from research on stepfamilies that the emotional closeness between children and their parents’ romantic partners is not automatic and some children might have difficulty. … They wanted to tell other parents that if that’s what you want to do, make sure to take the time to talk to them, hear what they have to say and respect their boundaries.”

The kids described the partners as people they have fun with and whose children become part of their wider family. Younger children are more likely to reference their material well-being, such as getting an extra present on birthdays or visiting a partner’s home with a pool or a dog.

“When we compare ages, we found younger children and preteens were more likely to be close with the partners,” Alarie says. “The teenagers were more likely to call them people who contributed positively to their parents’ lives.”

None of children expressed animosity toward their parents’ romantic partners. One 16-year-old who has since come to terms with her mother’s relationships reported she had been apprehensive at first.

“I was like: ‘What is this s--t show?’” she told the researchers. “Growing up, we’ve been told that you can only love one person, that you have children with that one person … and now, what? Us children, we need time to adapt, to prepare ourselves.”

“The issue is the lack of language,” Alarie says. “They’re stuck with the language that already exists. They could not find words that describe with precision the structure of their family and what these people mean to them.”

“We really have faced that challenge of how to introduce them when they meet other friends or family,” Olivia says. “I mentioned the term ‘funcle,’ and I laugh because it’s such a silly name. But Kaden came up with that to describe Boyfriend Marc’s place in their lives.”

Kaden says he’s got good dad vibes, but he’s really playful and goofy, “so he’s like a fun uncle.” Husband Marc’s girlfriend Bea is simply Bea for now.

“There will never be another Bea,” Olivia says. “She could easily assume a mother role and always gives excellent guidance to the children. The kids know she respects them as individuals and she is an active part of our lives.”

The researchers had expected the children to talk more about societal stigma and while some did say they were careful about what they reveal to certain friends, they spoke positively about their families. Family diversity is so well accepted, it’s not unusual for three or more adults to take care of one child, Alarie says. They blend in.

“The reactions (outside research) when I talk about the topic are more positive now than 10 years ago,” she says. “People used to confuse polyamory with polygamy or gender equality issues. There are still a lot of misconceptions.”

Yet the mental-health and legal worlds have yet to catch up. Finding therapists or social workers who have a true understanding of polyamory can be difficult. It’s hard to know who to talk to without being judged, Alarie says. That’s why studies like these are so important, she says, to encourage the creation of programs and social policies that serve the diverse needs of such families.

“It’s not possible in Quebec to recognize more than two parents for one child, even though that child might have three parents. That’s complicated in the case of separation or custody battles, or with a medical emergency. Let’s say that the child has an emergency, goes to hospital and the third parent shows up. That parent cannot make a medical decision for the child.

“Some provincial courts, in Ontario, British Columbia and Newfoundland and Labrador, have recently opened the door to the legal recognition of multi-parent families. So it can happen. But that’s not the case in Quebec so far.”

‘She’s always had someone there’

The legal paperwork was taken care of quickly when N.D.G. resident Warren Baird’s daughter Kaia was born 17 years ago.

He and his partner Blue have been together for 30 years and she has been with her partner jbash for more than 20 of those years. Jbash had been living separately, but when Blue became pregnant, the three of them had a discussion and jbash felt he had to “step in or step back.” “We concluded that we would be very happy to form a family,” Baird says, and they have lived in the same house ever since.

When Kaia was a baby, they consulted a lawyer and discussed the possibility of getting legal recognition for their family. The lawyer was willing to take on the government, “but she estimated it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees.”

Instead, they got their wills in order and set up legal mandates assuring jbash would have custody in case something happened to Baird and Blue.

All three had other partners while Kaia was growing up, and Baird says there was never any formal protocol for introducing them, “she was just used to other adults being around the house.” Plus it was nice to have three adults to one child.

“It meant that we could do other things, we had the time and energy to do that,” Baird says. “We built a formal two-week rotating schedule that hasn’t changed in a decade, where we have three family nights and then Blue and I have dates together and jbash and Blue have dates together, and each adult has ‘date nights’ with Kaia.

“She’s always had someone there if she needed them. Someone who is a parent. She’s always felt she had our protection in a very close way.”
 
Yet the mental-health and legal worlds have yet to catch up. Finding therapists or social workers who have a true understanding of polyamory can be difficult. It’s hard to know who to talk to without being judged,
Good, you SHOULD be judged for being a faithless degenerate piece of selfish garbage.
each adult has ‘date nights’ with Kaia.
What in the ever living Fuck.

Why the fuck can't mass shooters ever kill degenerate fuck heads like this and at least save the life an, almost certainly, abused child?

But what can you expect from Quebec. The shittiest hole in a country comprised of nothing but shitholes.
 
Can't help but notice "polyamory" is mostly just ugly women getting to have their own personal harem of desperate men. The increasing commonality of this is disturbing.
Polygamy is going to be the next culture war issue after troonery becomes stale. I can just feel it coming. Expect to see a lot more discourse about this in five years or so.
It has already started to infest real life. I'd like to give a big fuck you to all the retards who are still living in the 2010s, and continue to pretend weirdos only exist online. I shouldn't be seeing any trannies, and I shouldn't be seeing any guys coping about how they're in an "open relationship" either.
 
Polygamy is going to be the next culture war issue after troonery becomes stale. I can just feel it coming. Expect to see a lot more discourse about this in five years or so.

Nah. It's to tame to become a big cultural issue and it's also self-defeating because humans are inherently selfish creatures- it's why troonery is so rampant.

I'd prefer transracial and/or transcultural to become even more mainstream because the slap fights between them and transgender people would be hilarious and it would muddy the topic so drastically in the eyes of normal people. There's basically no argument that can be made to genuinely explain how you can be transgender but not transrace/culture. the organizational infighting between grifting groups would be amazing.

Edit: On topic of the article. Many of the long term issues that crop up from bad childhood experiences don't actually show up until adulthood because children don't have the life experience to, you know, actually critically examine something they're going through with the same clarity as adults do. There's plenty of people on reddit and other places who will talk about how polyamorous or swinger parents really fucked up their idea of healthy relationships, you don't even need to dig that deep.
 
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"How's life in Communist China?"
"Oh, you know, can't complain."
I encountered a couple where the teenage stepdaughter was told to stay in her room and never join the new wife and her baby for meals ‘due to covid risk.’ When I pointed out that this was abusive, the new wife remarked that the girl was fine with it and hadn’t complained. Well no shit, she knows you are insane and is terrified of having any more parental affection withdrawn.
These kids are being exposed to non-related sexual deviants, which is the number one risk for sexual abuse. They’re going to grow up at high risk of abuse from these partners, as well as being a mess from the insane dynamic and their friends teasing them.
Incredibly selfish. Make shame great again. I hope the kids rebel by forming a new inquisition
 
solzhenitsyn: I'll blame eastern Commies for this characteristically western degeneracy anyway.
He’s not blaming communist china. He’s pointing out that people in hostage situations or abusive situation often play along or avoid criticising their abusers so they don’t get abused worse. Like going as a tourist to North Korea and expecting the people put in front of you to start giving you an honest expose of their lives rather than singing the praises of Juche
 
Polygamy is going to be the next culture war issue after troonery becomes stale. I can just feel it coming. Expect to see a lot more discourse about this in five years or so.
Considering the dating scene as it currently exists, it wouldn't shock me if people resigned themselves to trying to Frankenstein a relationship out of multiple companions. Why choose? Why not have everything you want?

I mean, this really comes at a time when you have people running around telling you gender is a spectrum and you don't even need to settle on what gender you are. It's that mentality that will ultimately carry over to other areas of life: distracted people who are chronically preventing themselves from growing up because if they ever decided they were just one thing, it might turn out that they are markedly mediocre at that one thing. So they can always be absolved of failure from any given thing for as long as they have the escape route where they can say they were never really that thing in the first place.

So why not have multiple relationships? Because if you fail at the one, you have multiples to fall back on.
 
Polygamy is going to be the next culture war issue after troonery becomes stale. I can just feel it coming. Expect to see a lot more discourse about this in five years or so.
The only way I can see this happening it's if pretty people start doing it, a.k.a: astroturf the fuck out of it.

Most polycules I've seen manage to have a three-digit BMI despite only being three people. Nobody wants to sit on the same table with the fat ugly retards.
 
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