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I was listening to Last Podcast On The Left's recent stream of the Black Dahlia Murder and one of the in-depth angles they cover is LA's corruption in the 40's(and back farther, and how it effectively never really stopped) but mobsters/gangsters had a culture shock coming to LA from the east & midwest in that they(the criminals) had to pay protection money to the police to operate, it was backwards. The entire police force was corrupt from the top-down, and mayoral officials took kickbacks to give test answers for civil service promotions. It was interesting to listen to, and have already fresh in the back of my mind upon seeing this total mismanagement of the fires this week.


The Black Dahlia Murder was inevitable/unstoppable, but after investigation it remains an unsolved mystery because of the rampant corruption at every level of law enforcement, government, and the private citizens that made & make LA a total hellhole to live in.
It’s a well known fact that the LASD deputies run the gangs that influence local drug trades to their benefit. Most of the looting was likely allowed by whatever sheriff’s departments were supposed to monitor the area.
 
Infinitely more than someone less insane can ever hope to possibly comprehend.


I was going to guess the cause was a very old, badly maintained, hackily extended power grid that does not permit finer-grained shutdowns, but this makes sense too.

I will laugh if these hasty shutdowns leave them facing a blackstart situation, and unable to establish any cranking paths. I will laugh even harder if someone volunteering a portable generator to allow them to restart the grid gets prosecuted for violating anti-climate-change regulations. Punishing people for retarded technicalities when they are acting in good faith to make things better, especially if that good faith makes corrupt authorities look bad, is absolutely on model for this cluster fuck of a natural disaster.
I remember Texas asking the fed government for help when the grid went down during that brutal winter cold snap and reading the government's response. Yes, they would help Texas with their power problem, but only if they agreed to comply to pages of environmental rules. That was under Biden. Mind you, people who were acclimated to hot weather were freezing and unprepared. But nothing's more important than climate change.

I wonder if the fire chief is going to be their scapegoat. No way the governor and mayor are going to take the blame.
 
Yes and no. Most Fire Departments are required to test the hydrants annually. It's one of the slow day busiwork tasks that truck crews do. You go to each hydrants, put a flow meter on one of the ports and open it up to flow into the street for a minute.

But testing the hydrants one at a time for a minute would not have uncovered how low the reservoirs were. Or that the system could not hold pressure for more than an hour of fire fighting. Only the water authority could see that.
Someone should ask the Fire Lesbian what happens to businesses and workshops if their fire extinguishers are empty when the fire department comes to check them each year.
 
People have. Constantly in this thread. Hundreds of times at this point.
Yea I have. The problem is confusing weather conditions that affect fire behavior, with the fire's ignition source. The two are not related. But the discourse of these two often misunderstood topic is creating confusion.
Climate change doesn't start fires. A heat source, intentional, unintentional or natural, starts fires.
 
Relevant to this thread. Feds pulling FEMA relief from Appalachia while coincidentally pledging to fund disaster relief in place of California's government.
Reminder you don't hate these people enough
I don’t want relief from FEMA pulled from Appalachia for this fire. Jesus fuck it’s like the government WANTS everyone to hate us.

I really hope that any aid California does get is gift-wrapped in orders to comply with ICE.
 
>Did they fail you?
>Yes.

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You just know she's thinking about how they'll fuck her over saying the truth. Takes courage to stick your head up like that when you're just a peon, hopefully she's asked to raw dog the politicians in a congressional hearing. Have they had a break in the last, what, 3 days?

The firemen ITT can probably make this more explicit/accurate, but I know firefighting is hard labor, like the folks on the ground probably feel they've been carrying bags of bricks for days on end. How long can they even go before dropping like flies from exhaustion alone?
 
Yea I have. The problem is confusing weather conditions that affect fire behavior, with the fire's ignition source. The two are not related. But the discourse of these two often misunderstood topic is creating confusion.
Climate change doesn't start fires. A heat source, intentional, unintentional or natural, starts fires.
I can't tell if you're actually stupid or are trying to bait really hard. Bravo
 
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Newsom is going to find a patsy somewhere.
I'm going to be curious to see how he intends to do so. People expect a bare minimum from their government, even if they are are the most dyed in the wool ardent supporters of the ruling regime. Pretty sure fire hydrants functioning properly is on the list of minimum requirements somewhere. The LA Mayor is definitely toast for that one, but Newsom also had a responsibility to be proactive. As well as to plan ahead. This is hardly California's biggest wildfire. In terms of acerage its not even close to being its largest either.

After the absolute fiasco that was the last great burning a few years ago, ALSO under Newsom's watch, you would have thought there would have been some assessments done over what caused the previous failure and how a similar situation could dealt with in the future. Maybe a dedicated state level Fire response unit that can cooridinate multi county responses. Investment in tanker trucks that would allow water to be supplied to remote or infrastructure compromised areas. Instead it seems that NOTHING was done. Worse, the fire prevention measures in the state were made WORSE.

This is why I am deeply unsympathetic at a political level. At a human level I legitimately feel for the people of California. But you voted for this. You enabled this. Until you hold your leaders accountable, and are held accountable for the deliberate choices that were made I fail to see why this should be made the rest of the countries problem. Especially given the same people California elected to high offices predilection for shoving California "Values" down our throat and trying to make the rest of the country act like California. After seeing this shit show, I am really glad Pelosi and Newsom only succeeded partially rather then fully.
 
Buddy of mine is a plumber
Just wait until he's in his 50s with a drug addiction. Working on the trades is like stripping the money is fast but you'll be begging in your 50s.
I think it’s funny because the people that are losing their homes are probably among their biggest supporters with a few exceptions of some of the Jews there.
That's like saying "most people in Israel support Hamas with a few exceptions of the Jews there" like buddy, who do you think lives there's
 
I can't tell if you're actually stupid or are trying to bait really hard. Bravo
Partially baiting because I know the difference between the two. I also understand fire behavior and fire ecology. I also understand the acute lack of wildland fire awareness among the public. People would rather argue about who is too blame than listen to real world wildland fire awareness or educate themselves on what drives fire in the landscape.

Part of my job, fren.
 
I saw this in the 4chan /pol general today and thought/still think it is fake or AI generated. At what point do these people realize that skill is more important then political stance?

Sorry for double post.
Sometimes users end up with a double post whenever the site gets a bit buggy. So it's not your fault.
 
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I'm going to be curious to see how he intends to do so. People expect a bare minimum from their government, even if they are are the most dyed in the wool ardent supporters of the ruling regime.
Pretty sure Gavin's termed out so he could give a flying fuck, but it would be interesting to see what a shift of LA politics away from the D would do to this state.

As someone said earlier, 1 in 4 people in the state is in the LA metro area. Like literally the entire population of New Jersey has been getting texts telling them to flee, and the people in charge don't know how that's happening.

People don't have running water.

One of the things that I haven't seen mentioned is that a lot of hotels were turned into housing for the homeless or migrants.

Tens of thousands of people are undoubtedly sleeping in their cars tonight. Gonna be 46 tonight which is a little nippy for people who are totally unprepared.

This is a catastrophe that isn't just affecting people whose houses burned down; damn near ten million people are wondering what the fuck is going on.

I hope this ends with Dodger Stadium being used for mass public executions.
 
I'm going to be curious to see how he intends to do so. [Newsome finding a patsy]
My theory is he's going to blame the power company for killing power to the pumps supplying the hydrants. They did kill power to prevent more fires from being started by hot lines being broken by high winds (since that's why they were blamed last time) and none of the hydrant pumping stations had generators for whatever reason. Doesn't matter, Newsome's base are conditioned to blame the power company for fires.

He wouldn't be announcing an "independent" investigation and such a narrow scope if there wasn't a non-govt 3rd-party already set up to blame.
 
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