Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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It's not like Greer hasn't been warned. But from everything we have observed with Russ over the years, he's not very good at reading the social cues from people, hookers, Judges, etc. I don't know about you all, but I think the Judge is really really pissed about the Florida thing. And Greer lying about witnesses to get it kicked back to him.
 
Best comedy option is that Null buys out the rights to the claimed work in exchange for releasing Greer from the judgment.
Which would moot the case entirely since the works at issue are now owned by the defendant. Not sure if this is exactly the victory dear leader wants as opposed to the "Conan Answer to Happiness", but it would neatly end the case, and Greer would be a fool not to take it considering his claimed economic situation. It also would not preclude getting him declared vexatious either.
 
If you think Russ is gonna be pissed now, wait until he fails to pay sanctions and then his bank records get subpoenaed. I suspect he has more tucked away than he has let on.

Can cars be repossessed as damages in Utah?
Greer has been able to sock away money in the past, only so he can spend it on hookers though. So I guess it's possible he's got a hooker fund and is basically that financial planning meme but with spending 90% of his meager income on hookers.

He did also pay the $1500 that the judge ordered him to pay to Skordas when the Ariana Grande lawsuit got dismissed, though his apparent financial situation was a bit better then.

Which would moot the case entirely since the works at issue are now owned by the defendant. Not sure if this is exactly the victory dear leader wants as opposed to the "Conan Answer to Happiness", but it would neatly end the case, and Greer would be a fool not to take it considering his claimed economic situation. It also would not preclude getting him declared vexatious either.
I think if I were in Null's position, I'd rather have the asshole who filed a frivolous lawsuit and wasted my fuckin time and money for four years have to pay what he owe than gain ownership of some worthless songs. Greer paying Hardin means Greer has less money to spend on hookers, there is no greater pain for him.
 
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I'm shocked that the judge smacked Russhole so hard on the pee-pee, but I guess hand-waving such wilful and recalcitrant behavior that's disrespectful to both the Defendant and the Court would be beyond the pale.

Might the judge be doing this to get Russ to drop the case with the threat of additional sanctions hanging over his head? It seems that's the best way for the judge to get out of having another ruling kicked up to the appeals court again, which he has to know that would happen regardless of how the case might go. Instead, just wait for Russ to fuck up in a way that the court can sanction him, but allow the case to otherwise proceed with strong hints that there may be further sanctions. Russ starts to realize that that this is starting to cost him a lot of penis touchings and decides to withdraw the case before more sanctions occur. Problem solved.

Of course this obviously shows how the judge is biased against Russ and he would be wise to submit multiple motions to get the judge removed from the case.
 
Might the judge be doing this to get Russ to drop the case with the threat of additional sanctions hanging over his head? It seems that's the best way for the judge to get out of having another ruling kicked up to the appeals court again, which he has to know that would happen regardless of how the case might go. Instead, just wait for Russ to fuck up in a way that the court can sanction him, but allow the case to otherwise proceed with strong hints that there may be further sanctions. Russ starts to realize that that this is starting to cost him a lot of penis touchings and decides to withdraw the case before more sanctions occur. Problem solved.
The judge may be overestimating Greer's ability to take hints.

How would Russell bring the case to the appeals court anyways? Is another license troll going to fight for him pro bono?
 
Might the judge be doing this to get Russ to drop the case with the threat of additional sanctions hanging over his head?
Judge knows the retard is going to run to the 10th circuit again. He's been giving Greer a lot of rope this past year and has finally thrown the end he was holding over the branch and started to pull. Greer could conceivably refuse to pay, using the same Argument at issue over the couple hundred bucks Null supposedly owes him. Whatever sanctions are levied now can be paid out at the end of the case once he prevails of the merits.

This would be a very bad decision on his part though, as this would be trying to dig the hole deeper. Especially now that the Magistrate has made it abundantly clear he's done humoring the pro se retard.
 
1) HARDIN'S FEES FOR GREER'S DISCLOSURE DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS WERE GRANTED IN FULL. Greer's excuses were all dismissed as meritless and Hardin has until 28 January 2025 to submit his expenses to Greer. The timetable from there goes 14 days to stipulate to award -> if (when) that breaks down Hardin has 14 days to file his request for fees with the court and Greer has 7 days to respond. Assuming these are all in calendar days and federal holidays do not 'pause' the clock this would correspond to an 11 February deadline for Hardin to file his request with the court and an 18 February deadline for Greer to respond.
This is why, as I've pointed out, you don't fuck around with discovery. Unlike most sanctionable conduct, it is nearly mandatory that if you fuck around with discovery and force the judge to deal with it, you're not just going to be paying costs but fees too.

This is both true in federal and state court. For instance, the famous "Pay Quasi" judgment was because Rick Tomlinson insisted on pursuing completely meritless subpoenas in a frivolous case.

This is to encourage parties to resolve such disputes between themselves without wasting the time of the judge, so the party responsible for forcing the judge to deal with this bullshit, that is, the losing party, is punished for that.
Does the cost award include the time wasted with the meet and confers that were ignored?
"Based upon the court’s review of Mr. Greer’s response to the court’s order to show cause, and for the reasons explained below, the court orders Mr. Greer to pay Defendants’ reasonable expenses, including attorney’s fees, related to Mr. Greer’s failure to disclose or supplement as required by Rule 26(a) or Rule 26(e). 1 ECF No. 130."

So anything reasonable, more or less up to the judge. It's pretty common not to get all you ask for even if you request what seems "reasonable." Even a reduced sanction could be in the thousands.
Friendly reminder that a civil judge can throw you in Jail until you comply
It has to be willful. You have to be able to pay and refuse to do so.

"The parties shall then have 14 days thereafter to attempt to stipulate to the amount of the award. If the parties can agree upon the amount, Mr. Greer shall pay the stipulated expenses award to Defendants within 14 days thereafter. If the parties are unable to agree on the amount, Defendants shall promptly file their affidavit and cost memorandum with the court. Mr. Greer will be provided with 7 days thereafter to file any response. Upon receipt of any such submissions, the court will determine the amount of the expenses award."

Not much wiggle room.

After that there's a judgment against him (I am assuming no agreement will be reached and if there is one it will not be lived up to by Russhole). I believe that collection can be pursued immediately (after the proper formalities) because the award is entirely separate from the case in chief. I'm not sure it would make any actual sense to do that, though, before the rest of the case is resolved.
Does Hardin factor the cost based on his standard rate or what he actually charged?
While that may be a relevant factor, it's really a multifactor analysis relating to something called quantum meruit, meaning "as much as he is merited." It's supposed to add up to a "reasonable" amount, and factors include the nature of the work (fairly routine although entirely caused by recalcitrance by the other party), the skill with which it was done (pretty good imo), the prevailing rate for such services in the market (Utah is not intensely expensive but no federal practice is cheap), and a few others of greater or lesser importance.

So if Hardin suddenly claimed he's charging the kind of rates you'd pay to Latham & Watkins or something he's not getting that, but it's not going to be cheap. It's going to be painful, even if the judge extends a certain degree of tard mercy, which I'm expecting.
 
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InB4 Russ files a whiny plightfiling bawling about how he didn't KNOW he had to specifically note something as confidential or "for counsel's eyes only" to have it covered under the protective order, so that shouldn't count! How is he supposed to know that? He's not some fancy lawyer! It's not fair!
 
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