Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[dick brain]

Oh I'm sorry. You want me to write about this guy for publication? Not just shitposting, mocking him, and telling him to burn in hell? You want original research and for me to use the business-writing side of my brain?
BET. I'll do it. It maybe be beyond the scope of my original intent, but this story does light a fire under my ass, and I'm happy to explain why I think Sanctioned Suicide isn't protected under the First Amendment and how Lamarcus Small should be criminally charged for 40 counts of involuntary manslaughter.

Journalism.

 

[Stan]

I've always had a "no talking to journalists" policy and just because a journalist shoves a phone or microphone in my face doesn't mean that will change.

I'm just reminding you it makes you look like a chickenshit nigger, especially when you're so forward in less-IRL contexts about why you think your community is so justifiable and morally consistent. If you really believed that, why do you flinch when journalists talk to you? (Execept when you don't flinch, and do talk to them, like now.)

Are you just autistic and freeze in the faceoff? I could sympathize with that, because you seem as if you want to talk and defend your side of Sanctioned Suicide and yet you're scared shitless when people ask you for comment. Or, you pretend not to hear them like a deaf tard.

My family is already well aware of what I do, and they don't really care. I haven't broken any laws, and the NYT story clearly highlights that I didn't. Furthermore, I haven't been involved in the site since December 2021.

What's that old saying... don't count on your innocence until the statute of limitations expires? chickens before they hatch lul?
I think the reasons you've yet to be charged have more to do with jurisdictional complexity and lack of understanding of your role to LEO than it is that you're wholly uninvolved of the deaths of minors who went to your site under your tenure and killed themselves following methods they learned there in an overall short period of time.

Furthermore, I haven't been involved in the site since December 2021.

Who gives a fuck? I have plenty of dead minors who were using the site during your admin, and you had a duty to keep them the fuck off your site (not just nominally with a toothless checkbox, but actually. Gambling sites can do this with a high degree of accuracy, so why can't you? That's the kind of negligence that adds up to manslaughter.)

There are no current investigations into me by any law enforcement.

Yet. YET.

harassing me

haven't even doorstepped you, you keep choosing to speak to me. It's a fun kind of harassment when my victim keeps coming back for more.

You will not get an interview with me.

THANK GOD. I'll send you an advance copy for comment.

 

[afounder]

I'm just reminding you it makes you look like a chickenshit nigger, especially when you're so forward in less-IRL contexts about why you think your community is so justifiable and morally consistent. If you really believed that, why do you flinch when journalists talk to you? (Execept when you don't flinch, and do talk to them, like now.)

I don't have any obligation to speak to anyone, including journalists. I don't really care how it makes me look. Every time I have spoken to a journo, my words always get twisted, and I always get misquoted. I don't care either way.

You can just write your little story and publish it and nothing will happen, just like the countless other news outlets that did so.

Who gives a fuck? I have plenty of dead minors who were using the site during your admin, and you had a duty to keep them the fuck off your site (not just nominally with a toothless checkbox, but actually. Gambling sites can do this with a high degree of accuracy, so why can't you? That's the kind of negligence that adds up to manslaughter.)

If you were a site owner, you will quickly realize that you can't vet every single person that visits your website.

As for gambling websites, they are mandated by LAW to verify people before they start gambling.

If you don't like the laws, get the laws changed.

haven't even doorstepped you, you keep choosing to speak to me. It's a fun kind of harassment when my victim keeps coming back for more.

Continuing to speak to you was a conscious decision that I made on my own. You didn't "trick" me into it.

I just know that this is a neutral and public platform that can't be edited and anything that you choose to quote from me here can easily be verified and can't be taken out of context, as people can easily check the context of the whole conversation for themselves.

You're just doing a very good job in making yourself look like a retard.

 

[suspended animation]

you look like a chickenshit nigger

You're probably going to struggle to find an outlet willing to publish excerpts from your conversation here with a black guy

 

[Subtle Cow]

A callous and morally limited retard, then.

Such righteous anger. Do you think having an audience makes you special? You're here with the rest of us,oh mighty moralfag. That includes this nigger you hate.

 

[x3firehexx]

So we've got some random guy owning a site shitflinging with a "journalist" because said "journalist" can't stop harrassing him, even tough SS has nothing to do with any member's suicide, because for the love of god, those who offed themselves were gonna do it anyways whether said site existed, someone here (the "journalist") just needs a scapegoat, so it's either SS or kiwifarms. (Except said "owner" hasn't been involved in running the side for like a good 4 years now, but hey, western journos need someone to shit on) ISTG im disgusted at how low western journalism has fallen, and to think, at one point western journalism actually had genuine credibility.... Sad, pathethic and disgusting. This entire thread is literally these two retards in a ring with everyone else shouting from the sidelines. Low intelligence and no class whatsoever on every front, i think this thread should be mercykilled, but it's also absolute cinema that i'll wholeheartedly keep watching...

 

[Stan]

If you were a site owner, you will quickly realize that you can't vet every single person that visits your website.

You can do a much better job than you did. You set up bullshit age verification ("check here to confirm you're over 18") and in the same breath reassured users that you actually wouldn't enforce age verification. If you're doing that, then you weren't really restricting minors from your site.

As for gambling websites, they are mandated by LAW to verify people before they start gambling.

If you don't like the laws, get the laws changed.

You were required by law to keep minors from accessing your site and you didn't bother. You felt the public good of letting minors have unrestricted access to suicide manuals and suicide encouragement was more important. You reckless, negligent piece of shit.

Something Awful successfully gatekept minors off their forum by charging a nominal registration fee requiring the use of a credit card. That would have been easy for you to implement. Even an "unbanked" pariah site like Kiwi Farms can do this by requiring a payment in crypto.

There are existing criminal codes in Alabama under which you could be charged, and that you haven't been yet does not vindicate you. Assisting with suicide (including the provision of information and encouragement, which SS provides) is a felony there. The 2017 Assisted Suicide Ban Act also might open you up to civil liability for wrongful deaths associated with your site. Commonwealth v. Carter, which suggests that in Massachusetts at least, one can be convicted of involuntary manslaughter by encouraging another person to take their life.

Yours is certainly a complicated case with a lot of jurisdictional issues, but if you think that makes you innocent, think again.

Continuing to speak to you was a conscious decision that I made on my own. You didn't "trick" me into it.

You're the one who called it harassment. Here's the quote:

Thinking that you can change anything by harassing me is quite sad.

Pick a lane: I'm harassing you, in which case you can ignore me, close your browser and go do anything else, and the harassment stops; or, you're choosing to communicate with me, in which case you can stop complaining that those communications are "harassment".

I just know that this is a neutral and public platform that can't be edited and anything that you choose to quote from me here can easily be verified and can't be taken out of context, as people can easily check the context of the whole conversation for themselves.

I agree: quote mining you here is going to be fun, since you can't flush your old posts or private anything. Though I'll page through your content on your other sites too, assuming you don't DFE like Serge and run away.

 

[Kaspersky]

What a disgusting site. This is operating on the same moral level as SkibidiFarms and co.

 

[Nickolas Gurr]

And in addition to being an ugly nigger, he's also an absolute coward.

I'm just reminding you it makes you look like a chickenshit nigger

Does your employer know that you are a racist who hates black people? Not a good look to have employees like this

When he gets doorstepped by news agencies he runs and hides in his house or hunkers down in his friends' car.

As you do when stalked by servants of the Antichrist. Quoting one of the funniest men ever, the creator of Rick and Morty: "You dont waste your time talking with cancer, you stab it"

 

[Convallaria majalis]

You would need to prove the people that committed suicide wouldn’t have done so if not for using Sanctioned Suicide, no? I don’t see how posting that they’re catching the bus on the website or being a regular user means it’s SS’s fault. There’s just as many users, myself included, who have credited the resources as being life-saving.

As far as minors go, why did they have unsupervised internet access? You don’t get to the point of suicide without there being signs something isn’t right unless you’re not paying attention. None of the teens I’ve ever worked with who attempted or completed suicide had been on SS. Do parents/guardians hold 0 responsibility? And do adults have no agency whatsoever?

 

[dick brain]

employer

lol.

She doesn't have an employer, from what I've gathered skimming her thread she's a NEET "freelancer" who larps as a tradwife but is divorcing her husband for not raising their kid on top of working to support her while she lays around responding to every single person who @s her. When there aren't enough people @ing her for it to fill her time and use as an excuse for not raising her kid or having a job, she wanders into threads like this one and makes a fool of herself to fill time and procrastinate.

Just point and laugh.

 

[afounder]

You can do a much better job than you did. You set up bullshit age verification ("check here to confirm you're over 18") and in the same breath reassured users that you actually wouldn't enforce age verification. If you're doing that, then you weren't really restricting minors from your site.

If you think you can do a much better job than I did, then go run your own website.

Setting up the signup checkboxes before I left is much more than most forums do. Any other solutions would have been too costly or caused invasion of privacy.

You were required by law to keep minors from accessing your site and you didn't bother. You felt the public good of letting minors have unrestricted access to suicide manuals and suicide encouragement was more important. You reckless, negligent piece of shit.

What law states that I have to restrict minors from accessing the site? I'll wait.

Instead of blaming me for hosting the site, you should blame the parents that failed to monitor or regulate their children's internet activity. Again, I think we went above and beyond what is required by law by having people acknowledge that they are 18 or older and have no disabilities that would cloud their decision making in the signup process.

There are existing criminal codes in Alabama under which you could be charged, and that you haven't been yet does not vindicate you. Assisting with suicide (including the provision of information and encouragement, which SS provides) is a felony there. The 2017 Assisted Suicide Ban Act also might open you up to civil liability for wrongful deaths associated with your site. Commonwealth v. Carter, which suggests that in Massachusetts at least, one can be convicted of involuntary manslaughter by encouraging another person to take their life.

I didn't know you were an Alabama lawyer. I actually spoke with 2 of them in my state, including one that is a Criminal Defense Attorney, and he disagrees with that assessment.

As it was explained to me, the 2017 law has never been used to prosecute anyone. They also told me that "assistance" would only apply to those providing physical assistance, not online conversations and certainly not someone that is only hosting a platform. Section 230 would apply for "wrongful deaths" regarding the site, and it clearly states that I can't be held personally liable or be sued for what other people post.

I agree: quote mining you here is going to be fun, since you can't flush your old posts or private anything. Though I'll page through your content on your other sites too, assuming you don't DFE like Serge and run away.

Cool, the BBC already did that. The New York Times crawled through every post I made on every forum that I owned. Why would I care if someone random freelance journalist does the same?

What story are you telling that hasn't been told by the Daily Mail, NYT, or the BBC?

What new information are you sharing that is unique from what has already been reported?

 

[Stan]

If you think you can do a much better job than I did, then go run your own website.

Setting up the signup checkboxes before I left is much more than most forums do. Any other solutions would have been too costly or caused invasion of privacy.

I have no interest in running an evil community like the one you kept and continue to defend.
YOU were able to do a much better job keeping minors off the community than you did. The tools were there, gamba sites use 'em, SA used 'em. You didn't and that's on you.

What law states that I have to restrict minors from accessing the site? I'll wait.

Spoiler: let me google that for you, nigger

Children's Internet Protection Act (CIPA)
Enacted in 2000, CIPA requires schools and libraries receiving federal funding to use technology protection measures to block or filter internet access to visual depictions that are obscene, child pornography, or harmful to minors. The law applies to all internet access during use by minors and can be disabled for adults for lawful purposes, such as bona fide research.

Kids' Online Safety Act
This act creates an obligation for online platforms and apps to provide safeguards and tools for parents and children.

That took all of two minutes.

As it was explained to me, the 2017 law has never been used to prosecute anyone.

There's always a first time, innit?

They also told me that "assistance" would only apply to those providing physical assistance, not online conversations and certainly not someone that is only hosting a platform. Section 230 would apply for "wrongful deaths" regarding the site, and it clearly states that I can't be held personally liable or be sued for what other people post.

That's their opinion, as remembered and filtered though the evil mind of an incel nigger who thinks it's good to provision depressed teens with suicide handbooks as a way of "helping them", so I don't accept your twisted logic. There's legal precedent where people went to prison, for manslaughter, for providing suicidal people with suicide instructions or encouragement; see, Commonwealth v. Carter, the "texting-suicide" case, and State vs. Melchert-Dinkel, both of which you should be familiar with. (You can google them if not.) Both of those people went to prison for merely providing encouragement to CTB (Carter) or explicit instructions (Melchert-Dinkel.) They didn't have to hold the proverbial pillow to be held criminally responsible.

Yeah you hide between Section 230, just like you hide in your car. Yet the idea that you can't be responsible for people committing suicide on the forum that explictly encourages them to do that, which is distinctly pro-suicide, and hands out tips to avoid users being prevented from CTB, rings hollow to me. (If you build a forum about making bombs, encourage your users to crowd source bomb-making instructions, and then users build bombs and detonate them, are you in the clear? Doubtful...) I wonder what your DA would think. I will ask.

Cool, the BBC already did that. The New York Times crawled through every post I made on every forum that I owned. Why would I care if someone random freelance journalist does the same?

Well, you seem willing to talk to me, which you weren't to them, at least for now, which is a start of a story.

 

[I Frot The Law]

Stoop nigger is afraid to leave his stoop but he's got a body count that would have Manson shook. If only these dastardly (((journalists))) would stop talking about it he could usher more mentally ill people to an early grave. Something something freeze peach

 

[NiggerDeathRay]

>thread is now a journomutt and a nog slapfighting

 

[TheIsopod]

A bunch of depressed faggots talking about how much they hate society? I thought we were already on that website!

 

[brazilsucksdick]

Anyone who has anything against free speech does not belong on Kiwifarms

 

[Stan]

Anyone who has anything against free speech does not belong on Kiwifarms

Consider this: there exists speech that isn't protected and shouldn't be, i.e. criminal speech. Threatening someone, blackmailing someone isn't protected speech, it's considered criminal speech. Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is also not protected speech. Posting bomb-making instructions online: not protected speech. Repeatedly texting your BF to kill himself, and so he does: Apparently, also not protected speech, per Carter. Telling anons on the internet how to hang themselves with step-by-step instructions: per State v. Melchert-Dinkel, not protected speech.

Over the years I've become more tolerant of speech that I find abhorrent (see: my opinion of this forum, Kiwi Farms), but Sanctioned Suicide is not making the cut, and let me compare them to show you why:

Kiwi Farms has had and continues to have a strong internal culture of keeping their discussions of lolcows online (i.e. not weenery.) When events come up where it seems possible users may want to observe IRL, Null goes out of his way to remind users what will and won't be tolerated and best practices if they decided to go to that hearing (i.e. dress nicely, don't scream JULAY in court.) pozloading my negholep is discouraged and you can get banned for cowtipping.

That in mind, I have a much easier time agreeing that Null wouldn't be responsible for some user going rouge and posting The Anarchist's Cookbook in General Discussion, and more sympathetic to a Section 230 defense of the Farms, then I ever could be of SS and @afounder.

Sanctioned Suicide pretty much declares their purpose right on the tin. Lamarcus makes window-dressing gestures at being "fair and balanced', but immediately betrays them; for example, puts up a recovery forum to cover his butt, but then advises people who come to SS only for recovery content won't be given an account. (That @afounder apparently put in place an account review process at registration, but did not meaningfully age verify users is the definition of negligence. He was willing to scrutinize applicants for being true and honestly suicidal, but not get their fucking age verified? WTF?)

So all those material facts about SS adds up to a forum with a very explicit purpose, which is inciting people to commit suicide. So, SS is pro-suicide, full stop. It's not even similar to other "right to die" communities, which are mostly interested in legalizing physician-assisted euths for the terminally ill. It's not similar to other depression and SI communities, which permit philosophical discussions, artistic expressions, and vent threads but not explicit instructions or real-time death watches.

@afounder and his team are so blackpilled they see this as "gatekeeping", and they openly denigrate recovery all the time. So it's not really a "pro-choice forum", it's more "pro-paganda forum".

That in mind, I don't really find it credible when Small tries to hide behind Section 230. He's not retarded or incapable, and he understands the community he founded. A user who CTBs on SS is using the forum as @afounder intended.

Section 230 is meant to cover administration when users do shit that's illegal and would otherwise be liable for hosting that illegal content. It's not meant to shield an administrator as they deliberately cultivate a community inciting and encouraging members to take their own lives.

 

[brazilsucksdick]

Consider this: there exists speech that isn't protected and shouldn't be, i.e. criminal speech.

Section 230 is meant to cover administration when users do shit that's illegal and would otherwise be liable for hosting that illegal content. It's not meant to shield an administrator as they deliberately cultivate a community inciting and encouraging members to take their own lives.

Congratulations, you're using the exact same arguments that PC censorship and it's defenders use to take down the Farms. (Literally out of LFJ's playbook)

You're completely fucking transparent. You may try to get the rest of the site to agree with you by putting on a veil of "guys guys im a funny tranny hater just like you!!" but anyone with a fucking brain knows that you're just trying to manufacture consent.

You can suck off Null and talk about how he's soooo different from the nigra, but Null and anyone with a brain knows how big name publications get journoscum like you to do most of the grunt work moving goalposts to serve the interests of their dictatorial leaders. What you're doing here is exactly that.

We know that ultimately if what you want is granted, then all it takes is one random fuck to yap from his puppet ass "Ermmm, it's actually really harmful to misgender/ insinuate men can't be in women's sports, soooo we're gonna ban that."
Hell, Null is already getting problems by big name journos INSINUATING that documentation on this site is illegal (even if it's not)

In short, suck him off all you want, but Null probably favors @afounder over you.
Also you'll never be one of us because the entire reason you came to this thread in the first place was because you got butthurt and said basically this in the tranny Ls thread.

 

[Stan]

Congratulations, you're using the exact same arguments that PC censorship and it's defenders use to take down the Farms. (Literally out of LFJ's playbook)

You're butthurt I get it.

You're completely fucking transparent. You may try to get the rest of the site to agree with you by putting on a veil of "guys guys im a funny tranny hater just like you!!" but anyone with a fucking brain knows that you're just trying to manufacture consent.

I'm a legitimate tranny hater and I flush my reputation with normie liberals by hanging out here because hating trannies is that important to me.

You can suck off Null and talk about how he's soooo different from the nigra,

He is though.

but Null and anyone with a brain knows how big name publications get journoscum like you to do most of the grunt work moving goalposts to serve the interests of their dictatorial leaders. What you're doing here is exactly that.

uhh that's some theory.

We know that ultimately if what you want is granted, then all it takes is one random fuck to yap from his puppet ass "Ermmm, it's actually really harmful to misgender/ insinuate men can't be in women's sports, soooo we're gonna ban that."
Hell, Null is already getting problems by big name journos INSINUATING that documentation on this site is illegal (even if it's not)

Jersh doesn't have those problems, the journalists who use him as a source do.

In short, suck him off all you want, but Null probably favors @afounder over you.
Also you'll never be one of us because the entire reason you came to this thread in the first place was because you got butthurt and said basically this in the tranny Ls thread.

OK have a nice day.