Live updates: Brush fire burns in Pacific Palisades as Santa Ana winds blast Southern California - Live video at link

AnOminous said:
Imagine building a giant bomb and the government sleeps or, more accurately, literally subsidizes it.
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Needs something, pep it up a bit.

Landscape it with native species in accordance with cheap plants you don't have to maintain corpo environmental policy, and use the pretty Bluegum trees for the county greenery mandated tree quota.
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Elon's having a bad day. The fire is at the Elkhorn site that uses his grid batteries
Nevermind. The retards at Vistra put the first 300MW of batteries in the turbine hall. That's what's on fire.
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1Tonka_Truck said:
Elon's having a bad day. The fire is at the Elkhorn site that uses his grid batteries
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So the journos don't even actually know who to contact if it's the Elkhorn site, which is under PG&E right? Any idea what the capacity of that one specifically is? I read 400 MW in an older article and I'd imagine it might be referring to that one.

Honestly the numbers being thrown around are a bit weird.
The Moss Landing battery storage project is a massive battery energy storage facility built at the retired Moss Landing power plant site in California, US. At 400MW/1,600MWh capacity, it is currently the world’s biggest battery storage facility.

Vistra Energy, an integrated retail electricity and power generation company based in Texas, US, developed the project in two phases under two separate resource adequacy agreements with Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E).

The 300MW/1,200MWh phase one of the Moss Landing battery energy storage system (BESS) was connected to California’s power grid and began operating in December 2020. Construction on the 100MW/400MWh phase two expansion was started in September 2020, while its commissioning took place in July 2021.
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They were expanding it, and I was hearing in different articles in 2022, this one was 2021, that they'd begun expanding again after the first over heating issue. I guess not everyone was clear on what PG&E and Vistra owned seperately. I think Vistra was responsible for building all of it for PG&E but they just own part of it?

Ah - more info on exactly whose batteries, from what manufacturer I mean, are in which.
The Moss Landing BESS phase two expansion, which is also called the Vistra Energy Moss100 Energy project, also employs utility-grade lithium-ion batteries from LG Energy Solution in a separate stand-alone building for additional power storage.
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Some of it is LG cells while other sets are Tesla's. Unless this was just LG manufacturing Tesla cells at the time. That's getting even deeper into it. This article doesn't even mention Tesla.
 
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Toolbox said:
So the journos don't even actually know who to contact if it's the Elkhorn site, which is under PG&E right?
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I fucked up. I didn't realize they put batteries in the turbine hall like fucking retards. Whatever PE signed off on that needs to be put against a wall.

Let's put grid-scale lithium battery packs inside a a pizza oven. It'll be fiiiiine.
 
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1Tonka_Truck said:
I fucked up. I didn't realize they put batteries in the turbine hall like fucking retards. Whatever PE signed off on that needs to be put against a wall.

Let's put grid-scale lithium battery packs inside a a pizza oven. It'll be fiiiiine.
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Could you explain this to us uneducated peeps? What's wrong with putting batteries where they were at?
 
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SpergioLeonne said:
So Bill Burr went on the Jimmy Kimmel show to show us why his dad bailed on him and focused on raising Billy Corgan, the intelligent son:

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Apparently he was not aware that there was supposed to be water in the fire hydrants

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Yeah they actually have the same dad and he bailed on Bill Burr after making sure both his sons were named Bill

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Bill Burr learned to fly helicopters as a hobby, so on that matter he does have some credibility, but that's missing the forest for the trees, if not purposefully strawmanning.
He became overly self-critical and cucked after marrying black libtard woman, and that doubt reflects in his worldview.
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DEW are real!

i have a picture of one but you have to promise to keep it a big secret or the deep state will cancel me!

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invisibult plus+ said:
I hate climate change shilling so much. God forbid the people actually causing problems are held accountable- it’s the climate! Making it too hot for the trees! Water management doesn’t exist. Forest management doesn’t exist, either- forests are enclosed systems, just like my computers! Why would leaving debris and eucalyptus trees in the most flammable part of the country cause a fire?

This is an actual talking point by the way.
I hate to be some Reddit akshually motherfucker but correlation does not mean causation, especially when there are more direct, provable causes of these fucking fires.
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Ready to feel more hatred? Google puts a misinformation warning on the video, to make sure people don't forget the True and Honest Facts about Climate Change

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Toolbox said:
Yes, not to be outdone by LA, San Francisco's Moss Landing power plant presumably went into thermal runaway.

Take that, EVs! Here's an unprecedented amount of lithium ion batteries roasting.

It's been burning for hours, steadily. Not growing but not shrinking.
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Wow, God really does want California to burn.

Toolbox said:
I've heard from one report that fire crews are just standing around and letting it burn itself out. Hearing that, I can't think it's anything other than a thermal runaway, of the apparently 300MW battery present in the building. (A)
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With lithium-ion batteries, that's about all you can do. Because of their chemistry, a lithium battery fire is almost perfectly self sustaining so long as there's still unburnt battery remaining. The battery's chemistry supplies its own fuel, oxygen, and because of the high energy density of the battery, cooling off all that heat below the ignition threshold is quite the challenge. Thus, the usual firefighting method for lithium battery fires is to cordon off the burn area so the fire can't spread, and let the batteries burn themselves out, however long that takes. That sucks, because the fumes from lithium battery fires are nastily toxic.
 
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Yuuichirou Kumada said:
A boatload of artists will play at the end of the month to collect money for damage repair in California

Red Hot Chili Peppers, Green Day, Lady Gaga, Billie Eilish, Rod Stewart, Sting and many others will get to figuratively fiddle on the ashes of Pacific Palisades for all to see.

Yay, California is saved. Never let a tragedy go to waste.
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How long until it's discovered a large percentage of the donations go to the DNC for Kamala's campaign debt or the Newsom 2028 campaign?
 
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Thus, the usual firefighting method for lithium battery fires is to cordon off the burn area so the fire can't spread, and let the batteries burn themselves out, however long that takes. That sucks, because the fumes from lithium battery fires are nastily toxic.
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Imagine how much worse it would be if the fumes were CO2 and water vapor! Thanks California for keeping us safe from the dangerous effects of natural gas pollution!
 
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Sunrise Movement LA held a demonstration calling out the role “Big Oil” at the Phillips 66 Gas Storage Facility in Carson on Jan. 16. (Myung J. Chun/Los Angeles Times)
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I'm sure they were not sent as a diversion from Newsom's terrible policies. This was totes organic.
 
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WhiteBoySummer said:
We have to have some empathy and we have to save our anger for the fuckers in charge.
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Did the government officials just show up one day and start giving out orders that everyone had no choice but to follow? No, they were elected, by the people. The government is the will of the people. In a democracy the people are the boss and the government serves only because they people choose for them to do so.

Until the people of California realize that they should stop voting for awful laws and politicians they'll continue to get more of the same. What good is recalling Newsom or voting out Bass if they're only replaced by someone equally awful who will enact the same policies?

Even those who voted for other candidates are still voting with their feet to stay in what at this point can only be considered an abusive relationship. I can only feel slightly more sorry for someone delusional enough to think it will magically get better than I can for the delusional people who keep voting for the abuse. Perhaps some day it can get better, but not before it gets a lot worse.
 
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Save the Loli said:
I've also heard that timber companies do a better job managing their land these days than BLM (not the one that burns loots murders to buy large mansions, the other one) and state governments do.
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BLM, maybe, but they are mostly out west.

On the East Coast & Gulf Coasts timber companies are fucking shit. They will basically clear cut everything that's not wetland and plant densely-packed row pines, which then grow thick and often completely block sunlight at the ground level. To make matters worse, some of the worst offenders (Rayonier) almost never run prescribed burns, so it completely chokes a health grass/herbaceous layer at the ground level and just shade-tolerant shit (incl. vines) grow. They then clearcut in 5-15 years, depending on tree species (shorter for Sand Pine, moderate for Loblolly Pine and longer for Slash Pine).
Only a few timber companies do it "right", and its usually the smaller, local timber barons (e.g. the Thompson family in Georgia) who actually manage the land well, and even then you could make the argument they only do it so they can double-dip timber lands with quail hunting opportunities (because bobwhites will go extinct as the canopy closes up and the understory dies).

State governments are hit-or-miss. It really depends "who" (like which individuals) are in charge of managing which WMAs, State Forests, State Parks, etc.
Aside from DOD (yes, that DOD), state services tend to manage better than the feds (especially NPS, fuck NPS). Basically DOD > FWS > USFS > NPS.
 
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