US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

So what's the 21st century way to rapidly move aircraft within striking distance of any target in the world?

Have drone fighter jets in low Earth orbit, fueled up and loaded up with missiles. When a call comes, some amount de-orbit to the target destination and pilots remote in to control them using Starlink, or they run a preprogrammed mission. You could be anywhere in the world in 15 minutes, and if they conserved some of their orbital speed would also be able to fly at hypersonic speeds above Mach 5 for a while after deorbiting, making them difficult to counter.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Have you been paying attention to how the f'ing Houthi's have chased off our carriers repeatedly with a fraction of the tech?

Chased them off so successfully that the Harry S Truman strike group is still patrolling up and down the red sea. So successful.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Chased them off so successfully that the Harry S Truman strike group is still patrolling up and down the red sea. So successful.

Has it been reopened to US and Isaraeli-linked shipping? No? Completely neutered by the f'ing Houthis but you think they're a threat against modern Chinese defenses? Pure delusion.

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

That's great and all but have you considred that missiles are pretty fucking gay?

I hate missiles so goddamn much. Why is everything these days reducible to "durr loitering munition drone missile xd"?

Please, I just want Minovsky Particles to be real. I can't fucking take it anymore. Durr missile, Durr missile, Durr missiles! Even lasers and railguns would be better! Anything but fucking missiles!

According to ChatGPT there's a laser weapon called HELIOS which is used to blow up drones, missiles, and small boats.

 

[Core Theorist]

According to ChatGPT there's a laser weapon called HELIOS which is used to blow up drones, missiles, and small fishing boats.

Lasers and electromagnetic guns are truly our only hope for all the war equipment in the future to not be gay as fuck. Why did it have to turn out like this? It's just gonna be smaller and cheaper robots with more missile tubes all the way down! Disgusting.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Has it been reopened to US and Isaraeli-linked shipping? No? Completely neutered by the f'ing Houthis but you think they're a threat against modern Chinese defenses? Pure delusion.

And you're back to moving goalposts. You said the carriers were chased off. The carriers were not chased off.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

I think Trump will do the easy good guy shit and sign an EO saying TikTok can stay open. Pending some rules or something.
It is going to be funny watching the journoscum turn so hard on their current takes on Tiktoks ban if he did that. When Trump signs an EO saying it can come back. I would be archiving their hot takes., if i cared to troll them about it.

That's the point of Biden punting on this though, it's a trap set for Trump by Biden's outgoing handlers. He saves TikTok so they can crow that he's in Pooh's pocket and they will absolutely do so hypocritically ignoring their own previous words.

Someone said JD Vance is Jewish and like, they said it so seriously I didn’t know if they were kidding but is that true? I think we would have picked up on that a while ago

If Vance was a Jew the Illinois Nazis here wouldn't shut up about it so he's definitely not one.

 

[The Ugly One]

Ah yes, the 'show me the math that nobody here (including myself) actually knows how to do' argument.

I know how to do this math. It's not hard to do these kinds of order-of-magnitude computations. Let me demonstrate.

An MQ-9 Predator unit includes 4 drones and 55 personnel to service them. It is capable of delivering 200 lbs of ordnance per drone, or 800 total lbs. To deliver 540 tons (1,080,000 lbs) of ordnance, we need 1,350 drone units. 1,350 x 55 = 74,250 personnel.

Anyone can figure that if you don't have to feed a squadron of 60 pilots plus any required staff aboard your ship (i'm not even gonna try to suggest you don't need the maintenance crews, it's a fucking carrier after all) that you can - at least in theory - save significant amounts of required space and weight for things like food storage and crew quarters.

Of the 5,700 personnel on board the carrier, around 3,200 are dedicated to operating the ship, while 2,400 are dedicated to servicing the planes. That's about 40 men per plane.

Note that our MQ-9 Predator requires only 14 men per drone. Unfortunately, we need several thousand drones to deliver all that ordnance.

It's a pretty simple arithmetic problem. You want to deliver 500 tons of ordnance to various targets. How many drones do you need to do it? How many personnel per drone? Multiply by the number of drones. Then double that to get the men needed to operate the ships. There's a ballpark estimate on how many men you need at sea to attack somewhere far away from your shores.

It’s like battleships. They’re fucking amazing and nothing can deliver shells that large and that hard, but nobody builds them because cruise missiles exist.

No, nobody builds battleships any more because a carrier can deliver ordnance accurately at much, much farther ranges than a battleship can. Seaborne artillery just isn't that useful because unlike land artillery, it isn't orders of magnitude cheaper than its airborne counterpart.

 

[TarragonRespecter]

Are you sure admiral Troonsocks has the balls to risk xis zillion dollar pretty baby boy becoming a very expensive coral reef on the bottom of the South China Sea?

They're all about appearances, rich man has Lamborgini so rich Chinaman must have Lamborgini, too. It makes sense to them and they have (or had) so much money they couldn't find a place to store all of it if they wanted.

How about a boat that doesn't cost the yearly GDP of a small country? For drones you could repurpose a much cheaper and smaller ship.

Russia stopped giving a shit about bad PR which is an exception in modern warfare and they're mostly hogs for artillery, which is much more cost-effective at turning Soviet blocks into fine dust. It's a different thing when you have a sniper hiding somewhere in an apartment building with civilians inside and you order the local Shilka to spray it all from top to down and let God sort it out, it works but will nuke any public goodwill especially if you're trying to appear as a "good" guy.

How much does China pay you to assume the US will lose every battle to them? China is just as I'd not more likely to lose their carriers then the US.

US carriers are about apearance and functionality. You and your chinese bugmen leaders don't get that. The problem with your example is you buy a Lambo. You don't have your slave labor construction a 3rd rate Lambo.

Wow. That's a good idea about a small ship! Now imagine what you could do with a carrier. You could have it set up to keep making more drones so you have the capacity to replace the ones your losing. Guess what other advantage you have, more drones!! Who do you think has the advantage: a carrier with a thousands drones or a converted fishing boat with a handful. Going to let you ponder that for awhile

Also your sniper scenario is just plain retarded. Stop watching marvel movies and get with reality

 

[Overly Serious]

Mariupol, 2022

Mariupol, 2024.



The Russians decided it would be good PR to rebuild it after occupying it two years ago and have reconstructed large parts of it. I wish my local council would fix stuff that fast. And don't respond that the Russians fucked it up in the first place, because that's true of my local council too!

It wasn't a secret in 2009. They don't need to be hypersonic if you can fire 500 in one salvo, there's no defense. Have you been paying attention to how the f'ing Houthi's have chased off our carriers repeatedly with a fraction of the tech? The surface fleet is obsolete against peer enemies and has been for a very long time.

Not meaning to detract from your point which I agree with, but I don't think it's so much that a US carrier group couldn't beat Houthi militants, it's that the carrier would end having to have repairs afterwards which means time out and huge costs. It's just financially absurd to let your carrier face actual combat. They're too expensive to use in anything other than a case of necessity. And the only opponents that force it to be necessary are those which now have the capability to sink them. Russia could certainly do it with its new Oreshnik missiles - one per carrier and you're done. Carriers have no defence against them.

The superpowers have different military bases. The US needs force projection around the globe because it's a hegemony. Some country like Libya decides to stop using the US dollar and the US needs to be able to start airstrikes to support whatever proxy terrorist groups it's suddenly funnelling cash and arms too. Russia hasn't pursued global force projection in a long time. It has zero capability of launching a conventional war against the USA and very limited ability to launch one against Western Europe. But it can defend the absolute Hell out of its borders and flatten its neighbours if it wants. China does need force projection but only in the Pacific region. It wants to be able to police Taiwan and Japan and others. Carriers have some utility there so long as they're not squaring off against the US navy in open warfare. But only the USA really needs a big carrier force. And unfortunately for the USA the big players can now sink them if it comes to it. Russia has now also refined conventional explosive delivery systems to the near equivalent point of a tactical nuke, enabling them to absolutely wreck carriers and airports without crossing the political red line of nuclear weapons. They'll soon be at the point of being able to cripple the USA's force projection if they want to.

Very good videos on carriers in the age of modern missiles:

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Stephen Colbert is quitting his late night show
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Cool, maybe he will go back to being funny now like he was before.

 

[The Ugly One]

The Russians decided it would be good PR to rebuild it after occupying it two years ago and have reconstructed large parts of it. I wish my local council would fix stuff that fast. And don't respond that the Russians fucked it up in the first place, because that's true of my local council too!

The point is that using artillery (including tanks, which are just armored cannons) to destroy buildings is still happening. Drones didn't stop Mariupol (or anywhere else) from being devastated.

Not meaning to detract from your point which I agree with, but I don't think it's so much that a US carrier group couldn't beat Houthi militants, it's that the carrier would end having to have repairs afterwards which means time out and huge costs.

The US has been striking targets inside Yemen from carriers for a year. The most recent was a week ago:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/houthis-report-12-airstrikes-by-us-uk-coalition-on-northern-yemen-/3446893

 

[FieldPiece]

Stephen Colbert is quitting his late night show
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The darkest day for Soyjakparty.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Stephen Colbert is quitting his late night show
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I would be satisfied even if this was the one and only boon to the election.

 

[Desktop User2]

Trump is selling NFT's

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Gotta milk that niggercattle.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

Young minds are impressionable and while some will see through the sham of ZT as you and I did, many will metabolize it as correct and you see this with the millennials who were immersed in such school policies.

Look at how many millennials thought putting criminals in jail was mean and that restorative justice was needed instead of actual justice. This is how schools punish children. It reinforced this idea that any sort of actual consequence was unfair and that the victim and the man who just pushed him into an oncoming train should just make up and get along. Look at Daniel Penny for how this thinking manifests.

Look at this another way, it didn’t cement it as “correct” in the minds of children. It instead cemented the idea of allowing certain people to be victimized both to avoid becoming a victim and to get rid of competition (never forget cowards are driven by the same negativity as a bully). The reason why “jail is mean” and the like is because these kids grew up being taught that if the victim actually stands up for themselves, the bully will find a new target until the “heat” dies down. They are afraid of the fact that criminals will always lash out at random if their initial target is too tough to crack.

It isn’t a case of “make up and get along”, that’s the front facing lie that is used. It is “stay the victim so I don’t become one” along with, sadly, a decent helping of what happened to Daniel Penny, which was “you’re willing to be an actor, which threatens my slice of the pie”.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Yes. The JD stands for Jewish Dude.

Nah I'm pretty sure it was short for "Jorkin' Dapenus".

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Nah I'm pretty sure it was short for "Jorkin' Dapenus".

in the vice presidency. straight up “JD it". and by "it", haha, well. let's justr say. My peanits

 

[The Ugly One]

Have drone fighter jets in low Earth orbit, fueled up and loaded up with missiles.

Just the launch price to get the craft to LEO is $62m (price of putting 27,000 kg in orbit with SpaceX). So 4 missions per craft x 60 craft = $15 billion just in flight costs. This is supposed to be cheaper than carrier-borne jets?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Just the launch price to get the craft to LEO is $62m (price of putting 27,000 kg in orbit with SpaceX). So 4 missions per craft x 60 craft = $15 billion just in flight costs. This is supposed to be cheaper than carrier-borne jets?

If you’re launching to orbit and weaponinizing space in violation of whatever gay treaty, just build a rods from God dispenser. Cheaper and easier.