General Wrestling Discussion

[blahblahblah678]

Funny you say that about Ishii. I know he’s been a pure darling for years, but I saw him wrestle on a an ROH show years ago vs Bobby Fish and I wasn’t impressed. It was half-assed, and boring AF.

It’s kind of the same issue I’ve had with Hiroshi Tanahashi for years. I’ve seen Toru Yano outwork Tana in matches. Say what you will about 2010s John Cena, but as far as company aces go, that dude always seemed to put effort every time I saw him relative to Tanahashi. But the smarks were always putting Tanahashi over and burying Cena. Which to this day I always thought was bullshit.

 

[trent]

Funny you say that about Ishii. I know he’s been a pure darling for years, but I saw him wrestle on a an ROH show years ago vs Bobby Fish and I wasn’t impressed. It was half-assed, and boring AF.

It’s kind of the same issue I’ve had with Hiroshi Tanahashi for years. I’ve seen Toru Yano outwork Tana in matches. Say what you will about 2010s John Cena, but as far as company aces go, that dude always seemed to put effort every time I saw him relative to Tanahashi. But the smarks were always putting Tanahashi over and burying Cena. Which to this day I always thought was bullshit.

Tana and Ishii have the potential to have great matches but laziness and/or injury means they work really fucking slow now and just sort of run through their signature spots.

 

[ShitBomber]

Kenny wrestling that blow up doll and doing the J.O.B. for that little girl is what killed all respect Corny had for Puro.

That's DDT for you. Keep in mind, they're also the same promotion that let Chiitan do a few matches like this one during WrestleMania weekend for example.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

is what killed all respect Corny had for Puro.

Good, Cornette is a retard but hes right about a lot of whats been happening in wrestling outside of the WWE, this indie weirdo bullshit doesnt get over with most wrestling fans, be they casual or hardcore, theres a reason WWE is popular right now and its because they focus on making a good show instead of wrestlers fellating each other in-ring.

 

[ShitBomber]

Good, Cornette is a retard but hes right about a lot of whats been happening in wrestling outside of the WWE, this indie weirdo bullshit doesnt get over with most wrestling fans, be they casual or hardcore, theres a reason WWE is popular right now and its because they focus on making a good show instead of wrestlers fellating each other in-ring.

Honestly, Jim Cornette is possibly one of the biggest hypocrites in pro wrestling that's still alive today in my opinion. True he's right about some stuff in wrestling but the irony is that decades ago in the territory years in Memphis along with the 90s when he was in Smoky Mountain, most of the things he's approved and booked would've contradicted his talking points on his shoot podcast.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

Honestly, Jim Cornette is possibly one of the biggest hypocrites in pro wrestling that's still alive today in my opinion. True he's right about some stuff in wrestling but the irony is that decades ago in the territory years in Memphis along with the 90s when he was in Smoky Mountain, most of the things he's approved and booked would've contradicted his talking points on his shoot podcast.

Yeah that’s true, he’s not consistent at all and will mental gymnastic his way to justify SMW

 

[ShitBomber]

Yeah that’s true, he’s not consistent at all and will mental gymnastic his way to justify SMW

Agreed. To be honest, I rarely take people like Jim Cornette seriously when it comes to opinions on wrestling.

 

[JustStopDude]

Honestly, Jim Cornette is possibly one of the biggest hypocrites in pro wrestling that's still alive today in my opinion. True he's right about some stuff in wrestling but the irony is that decades ago in the territory years in Memphis along with the 90s when he was in Smoky Mountain, most of the things he's approved and booked would've contradicted his talking points on his shoot podcast.

I don't know I grew up in Tennessee, watching SMW. Like the only person to ever do a pile driver was Paul Orndorff. And they worked that into a suspension angle as it was a banned move by the Tennessee Athletic Commission.

You didn't Sunny doing three Canadian Destroyers in a row on an opponent for a kick out on two.

Only time you ever saw blood was on a pay-per-view. You didn't see Buddy Landell (RIP the last great Nature Boy) gigging his own forehead every other matches.

Arguably the most controversial shit was the Gangsta promos. But even then, New Jack didn't even wrestle with a garbage can of shit. He actually wrestled as opposed to just hitting people with weapons.

I'm clearly not getting your argument and if I'm missing something or an example, please let me know. Keep in mind, I'm remembering this from when I was a kid so I could totally be remembering this wrong.

I don't want to make it sound like I agree with Cornette on everything because that sure isn't the truth. The one thing I will give him kudos for, when SMW closed shop, he didn't leave a lot of people holding the bag.

It's such a low bar that is almost never met in this industry.

 

[ShitBomber]

I don't want to make it sound like I agree with Cornette on everything because that sure isn't the truth. The one thing I will give him kudos for, when SMW closed shop, he didn't leave a lot of people holding the bag.

It's such a low bar that is almost never met in this industry.

One of the only consistent things he done was pay all his talent along with the stations that broadcasted the show without any bullshit. That's it. As for my argument for why Jim Cornette is a hypocrite, some of the stuff that was on SMW along with some of the territory stuff back in the day possibly would've been very similar to what DDT and some of the other comedic wrestling promotions were doing today.

 

[JustStopDude]

One of the only consistent things he done was pay all his talent along with the stations that broadcasted the show without any bullshit. That's it. As for my argument for why Jim Cornette is a hypocrite, some of the stuff that was on SMW along with some of the territory stuff back in the day possibly would've been very similar to what DDT and some of the other comedic wrestling promotions were doing today.

I don't recall ever seeing a wrestler take on a blowup doll or a small child. You got a clip or something?

 

[Figantic Gaggot]

Which is retarded, it was a cutesy "look at what the grown man is doing for a child in training" thing. The Japanese didn't take it seriously, it was clearly a joke thing on a small card in a tiny building with basically nobody in attendance. But Cornette treats it like it was the Main Event of Raw or something.

that's because cornette takes wrestling itself way too fucking seriously. i bet somewhere deep down he still thinks its a shoot

 

[trent]

Which is retarded, it was a cutesy "look at what the grown man is doing for a child in training" thing. The Japanese didn't take it seriously, it was clearly a joke thing on a small card in a tiny building with basically nobody in attendance. But Cornette treats it like it was the Main Event of Raw or something.

And also the entire thing with DDT is that it is a comedy wrestling promotion. It's like watching CMLL and complaining about all the Mexican guys doing spinny shit.

Cornette is a whiny old cunt that the business has long passed by.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Cornette is a whiny old cunt that the business has long passed by

Corny’s a decent enough wrestling historian, and he has some fun stories from his time on the road that’re entertaining, but once you get to the Mid/Late 90’s and audience tastes change, the business speeds right by him.

He’s good for stories, but his opinion on any wrestling this side of the millennium should be taken with a lot of salt.

 

[CyrusHowler]

Almost Penta time.

Also, I watched Lucha Underground episode 1 on this Roku channel called “Cineverse” and holy fuckballs is it big dimes.
Morrison vs Ricochet in the main event was great.

 

[Hijo de Cuatro Vaginas]

Booking past their prime foreign wrestlers shouldn't be done by an amateur who thinks this is a general manager simulation videogame with infinite money cheat. Khan does the minimum effort to protect their weaknesses.

And Cornette gets legit upset when names like Kobashi or Misawa are mentioned as the best from a specific year. Those two are an extension of Baba, he may think highly of Baba and Inoki but it's always in relation to his friends or guys he admires like Dynamite Kid, never on their own.

 

[Judas Connor Moon]

Almost Penta time.

Penta was a made bigger star in the WWE in one night than being featured for 5 years in AEW. The peak of the Lucha Bros in AEW will always be when Felix broke is arm on live tv.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

Corny’s a decent enough wrestling historian, and he has some fun stories from his time on the road that’re entertaining, but once you get to the Mid/Late 90’s and audience tastes change, the business speeds right by him.

He’s good for stories, but his opinion on any wrestling this side of the millennium should be taken with a lot of salt.

He’s right about some of the dumb shit AEW does, but yeah a lot of his takes especially in relation to Post-Vince WWE are oldhead shit and he can’t comprehend how younger fans might enjoy shit that he doesn’t, like there’s plenty of wrestlers who I think are just ok but I can see why other fans like them, Jey and Priest are prime examples of this. Cornette seems to think every wrestlers he thinks is shit should also be thought of as shit by the fans, wrestling fans aren’t a hive mind especially in a post social media age

 

[Psyduck]

Chubby mexican kid got worked into a shoot

Wish i knew who was he trying to run in for but no dice

 

[Figantic Gaggot]

this now sent me down a lucha rabbit hole

 

[ShitBomber]

Corny’s a decent enough wrestling historian, and he has some fun stories from his time on the road that’re entertaining, but once you get to the Mid/Late 90’s and audience tastes change, the business speeds right by him.

He’s good for stories, but his opinion on any wrestling this side of the millennium should be taken with a lot of salt.

True though honestly, I will never forget his shoot on the ECW Arena. Yeah some parts of his shoot are true but the venue has since been cleaned up a lot.