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Should be a wild four years.

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Point of gun-tism: The fact that Scalise is still breathing is proof that 7.62x39 is actually kinda shitty for an intermediate rifle round, and is most likely why even the Russians phased it out. Thankfully the commie who did it was using an SKS and not an AR.
you're retarded. niggas have walked off multiple torso strikes with m80 ball. bullets are only effective when they strike central nervous system elements no matter how much or how little power they have. x39 got dropped because it was heavy and you carried less of it than a lighter cartridge.
 
Nah; people like you. He’s promised tarrifa on day one and has changed the figure a hundred times, sometimes it’s 10%, other times it 69%, and sometimes it’s 35%. Or 25%. Hard to keep track as he keeps changing his mind.

We will see. His bark is bigger than his bite.
Not exactly changing minds here, you know. Thread is on a high right now and you guys hitting these weak "well you're not getting *exactly* what my strawman of you wanted anyway!" points comes across as being sore losers.

Just sit back, let the rest of us enjoy our night, and stay away from the thread if it bothers you this much. Feel free to come back later on if we do end up getting fucked down the line.
 
Yes, because instead of older women that aged gracefully, I'm stuck with anime porn, hysterical "women" and slander.
I feel you, brother/sister.
On the other hand, I find it makes me appreciate the remaining good stuff more.
Like, for the sake of argument, assume you like tanned blonde women.
And it's cool and hip and Blackrock-funded to be tanned and blonde, so most women are that. Is it really that cool to end up with a tanned blonde woman then?
Like, compare that to a situation in which it's cool and hip and Blackrock-funded to be pale and brunette, so most women are that. In other words, tanned blonde women you encounter are those who didn't budge to public opinion, who didn't care what the rest of society does, but who value being blonde and tanned for taste and principles that they hold independently, counter to the mainstream. Like, I find the latter much more interesting and respectable, also sustainable because Blackrock funding and mainstream tastes can change. And also much harder to get, which is the only downside.

About to fall asleep unfortunately, so DM me or ping me tomorrow if you need a retort to your other points
 
Genuine question with executive orders, barring the fact that I agree with a lot of what Trump’s doing aside is it not a glaring system issue that a President can essentially rewind a lot of what the last guy did?
Like, it’s good now but you never know what’s up a few years down the line.
They don't really have any legal force on their own in isolation.

Properly speaking, the federal government is a collection of agencies allocated by congress, executing rulings specified by congress.

If congress passes a law saying "apples are taxed ten cents on the dollar" and "we give 50 million to hire people to regulate apple taxation", that is up to the executive branch to put into action.

The only power an executive order has is to govern how that executive implements those congressional laws with questionable meanings. Is a crab apple an apple subject to the taxation? An executive order can direct that question.

"let's tax apples at 15 cents on the dollar" is not something that an executive order can do.
 
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Holy shit Trump just announced the contestants of Fishtank Season 4: Death House.

1: Anthony Fantano
2: Hasan Piker
3: John Oliver
4: John Stewart
5: Lena Dunham
6: Tim Heidecker
7: Alex B
8: Frogan
9: Christmas Example
10: Shia Lebouf

All executions of male fish will be performed by Judge Jedediah Goldstriker. All female fish will be executed via wooden mallet by Jimmy. If necessary rape will be applied by Burt.
 
jews shitting their pants right now

haha who am i kidding, as if israel isn't going to get money for 90 days
I haven't seen the text but I'm assuming this some sort of bullshit "there will be no deliveries of foreign aid not all ready contracted for delivery pending review ... blah blah" so the Jews get their shekels, Desert Storm surplus keeps flowing to Ukraine.

edit: I was mostly right. Its only a suspension of "Development aid", military aid unaffected.
 
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>Trannies screwed
>Illegals on suicide watch
>Russia willing to negotiate terms for peace

Never say it's over gentlemen, for the blackest nights gives way to the brightest dawns.
I pray that this century is a counterweight of good to the evils of the 20th. Going forward at least.
 
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Presidential Actions

HOLDING FORMER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE
FOR ELECTION INTERFERENCE AND IMPROPER DISCLOSURE
OF SENSITIVE GOVERNMENTAL INFORMATION​

EXECUTIVE ORDER
January 20, 2025
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose. In the closing weeks of the 2020 Presidential campaign, at least 51 former intelligence officials coordinated with the Biden campaign to issue a letter discrediting the reporting that President Joseph R. Biden’s son had abandoned his laptop at a computer repair business. Signatories of the letter falsely suggested that the news story was part of a Russian disinformation campaign.

Before being issued, the letter was sent to the CIA Prepublication Classification Review Board, the body typically assigned to formally evaluate the sensitive nature of documents prior to publication. Senior CIA officials were made aware of the contents of the letter, and multiple signatories held clearances at the time and maintained ongoing contractual relationships with the CIA.

Federal policymakers must be able to rely on analysis conducted by the Intelligence Community and be confident that it is accurate, crafted with professionalism, and free from politically motivated engineering to affect political outcomes in the United States. The signatories willfully weaponized the gravitas of the Intelligence Community to manipulate the political process and undermine our democratic institutions. This fabrication of the imprimatur of the Intelligence Community to suppress information essential to the American people during a Presidential election is an egregious breach of trust reminiscent of a third world country. And now the faith of Americans in all other patriotic intelligence professionals who are sworn to protect the Nation has been imperiled.

National security is also damaged by the publication of classified information. Former National Security Advisor John R. Bolton published a memoir for monetary gain after he was terminated from his White House position in 2019. The book was rife with sensitive information drawn from his time in government. The memoir’s reckless treatment of sensitive information undermined the ability of future presidents to request and obtain candid advice on matters of national security from their staff. Publication also created a grave risk that classified material was publicly exposed.

To remedy these abuses of the public trust, this Order directs the revocation of any active or current security clearances held by: (i) the former intelligence officials who engaged in misleading and inappropriate political coordination with the 2020 Biden presidential campaign; and (ii) John R. Bolton.

Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States to ensure that the Intelligence Community not be engaged in partisan politics or otherwise used by a U.S. political campaign for electioneering purposes. The term “Intelligence Community” has the meaning given the term in section 3003 of title 50, United States Code.

(b) It is the policy of the United States that individuals who hold government-issued security clearances should not use their clearance status to influence U.S. elections.

(c) It is the policy of the United States that classified information not be publicly disclosed in memoirs, especially those published for personal monetary gain.

Sec. 3. Implementation. (a) Effective immediately, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, shall revoke any current or active clearances held by the following individuals:

(1) James R. Clapper Jr.

(2) Michael V. Hayden

(3) Leon E. Panetta

(4) John O. Brennan

(5) C. Thomas Fingar

(6) Richard H. Ledgett Jr.

(7) John E. McLaughlin

(8) Michael J. Morell

(9) Michael G. Vickers

(10) Douglas H. Wise

(11) Nicholas J. Rasmussen

(12) Russell E. Travers

(13) Andrew Liepman

(14) John H. Moseman

(15) Larry Pfeiffer

(16) Jeremy B. Bash

(17) Rodney Snyder

(18) Glenn S. Gerstell

(19) David B. Buckley

(20) Nada G. Bakos

(21) James B. Bruce

(22) David S. Cariens

(23) Janice Cariens

(24) Paul R. Kolbe

(25) Peter L. Corsell

(26) Roger Z. George

(27) Steven L. Hall

(28) Kent Harrington

(29) Don Hepburn

(30) Timothy D. Kilbourn

(31) Ronald A. Marks

(32) Jonna H. Mendez

(33) Emile Nakhleh

(34) Gerald A. O’Shea

(35) David Priess

(36) Pamela Purcilly

(37) Marc Polymeropoulos

(38) Chris Savos

(39) Nick Shapiro

(40) John Sipher

(41) Stephen B. Slick

(42) Cynthia Strand

(43) Greg Tarbell

(44) David Terry

(45) Gregory F. Treverton

(46) John D. Tullius

(47) David A. Vanell

(48) Winston P. Wiley

(49) Kristin Wood

(50) John R. Bolton

Two signatories, Patty Patricia A. Brandmaeir and Brett Davis, are deceased.

(b) Within 90 days of this order, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, shall submit a report to the President through the National Security Advisor that details:

(i) any additional inappropriate activity that occurred within the Intelligence Community, by anyone contracted by the Intelligence Community or by anyone who held a security clearance, related to the letter signed by the 51 former intelligence officials;

(ii) recommendations to prevent the Intelligence Community or anyone who works for or within it from inappropriately influencing domestic elections; and

(iii) any disciplinary action—including the termination of security clearances—that should be taken against anyone who engaged in inappropriate conduct related to the letter signed by the 51 former intelligence officials.

Sec. 4. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

THE WHITE HOUSE, January 20, 2025.
 
So just to make sure I'm getting this straight. If it comes out next month that Fauci murdered a hooker in 2017, and they have him completely dead to rights, DNA taped confession, video evidence of him doing the deed, he can't be convicted for it? There's no fucking way that can be legal. How in the hell can someone be pardoned when the crime isn't even *known* yet, let alone charged.

Hell if I were president, I would show the world how damn ridiculous the whole damn thing is. Fuck it, blanket pardon *every* us citizen, for *every* possible crime that may have occurred over the last decade.
 
If you are making the point that environmental regulations are harmful, then I agree with you and say that environmental regulations should be abolished.
This is so stupid it really does make me think you're trolling. I truly don't understand how you could think that. Regardless of whether you're sincere or not I don't see much point in continuing this discussion. I have a few glib comments on the rest of your post then I'm out.

How precisely do you want to put a price on "externalities"?
Probably by the approximate cost to mitigate them. Also (and I think you got this but I want to be clear) there are tons of externalities. I just picked microplastics to go with the toothbrush example.

you have tangible and solid proof of someone('s property) being harmed by the microplastics caused by the toothbrush, then I say the victim must have the right to demand compensation/restitution from the perpetrator.
I know we all engage in this legal fiction where a $2.4m settlement for wrongful death because your child died of cancer from microplastics is "restitution" or "making the victims whole" but that's because of the realities of the world we live in and "well nothing can bring them back so oh well" is worse. If you think a big settlement is the same as the kid simply not getting cancer then you're a retard.

I really can't hammer home how retarded this is. The courts are not programs that automatically mete out justice, they take time and resources, not everyone wronged has the means to sue, sometimes they get it wrong, sometimes they're corrupt, etc. The suggestion that if some company contaminated your land and killed some of your family with cancer could be fixed by suing even if successful a wrongful death award was granted and the market value of your land (not what it would cost to decontaminate it) less court and lawyer fees would rectify things is just so fucking offensively stupid. You are a mentally disabled.

There is even a common saying for this to help people like you understand. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

Obtain a legitimate property right to the ocean and directly sue people who pollute it, violating your property rights. That is a much much much more effective way of tackling this issue.
Sure. I'll go sue individual randos internationally who throw trash in the ganges and yangtze rivers. Or maybe I'll just put "China, a country" as the plaintiff. "much much more effective" retard

Yeah, but it's not a wrong statement.
On the contrary it is completely wrong. (See! aren't conclusitory just the epitome of serious debate.)
 
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