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NYT wrote an article on how actually, making it illegal to trade with Mexican cartels is actually a bad thing

How Labeling Cartels ‘Terrorists’ Could Hurt the U.S. Economy

Isolating U.S. companies from cartel activities could be almost impossible given that the criminal groups operate in sectors like agriculture and tourism, leaving some American businesses vulnerable to sanctions.
President Trump's executive order designating Mexican cartels and other criminal organizations as foreign terrorists could force some American companies to forgo doing business in Mexico rather than risk U.S. sanctions, according to former government officials and analysts — an outcome that could have a major effect on both countries given their deep economic interdependence.
The executive order, which Mr. Trump signed on Monday, is intended to apply maximum pressure on Mexico to rein in its dangerous drug trade. The designation, more generally, also gives his administration more power to impose economic penalties and travel restrictions, and potentially even to take military action in foreign countries.
Yet, disentangling cartel operations from U.S. interests in Mexico could be immensely complicated. Mexico is the United States' largest trade partner of goods, and many American companies have manufacturing operations there.
Even more complicated, these criminal networks have extended their operations far beyond drug trafficking and human smuggling. They are now embedded in a wide swath of the legal economy, from avocado farming to the country's billion-dollar tourism industry, making it hard to be absolutely sure that American companies are isolated from cartel activities.
"This has come up in previous administrations across the political spectrum and from members of Congress who have wanted to do it," said Samantha Sultoon, a senior adviser on sanctions policy and threat finance in the Trump and Biden administrations.
"But no one has done it because they have looked at what the implications would be on trade, economic and financial relationships between Mexico and the United States," she added. "They have all come away thinking that such a designation would actually be super shortsighted and ill-considered, though prior administrations viewed the U.S.-Mexico relationship far differently than the incoming Trump administration appears to."
The foreign terrorist designation could lead to severe penalties — including substantial fines, asset seizures and criminal charges — on companies and individuals found to be paying ransom or extortion payments. U.S. companies could also be ensnared by standard payments made to Mexican companies that a cartel controls without the American companies' knowledge.
Some extortion payments, even if made under duress, could be considered "material support" to cartels, said Pablo Zárate, senior managing director at FTI Consulting, an American firm that released a report laying out some of the risks of the terrorist designation.
Former U.S. officials and analysts pointed out that it would be nearly impossible to identify which business may employ or be affiliated with cartel members given the tens of thousands of people involved and operating in various industries, including the hotel and agriculture sectors. Cartels use the legal economy to launder money, which could mean that unwitting employees working at a resort or an avocado packing company could technically be on the cartel payroll but not know it.
As a result, companies in the risk-averse American financial sector may simply refuse to wire money to a Mexican factory, for example, to facilitate cross-border production and trade, or to wire money between personal accounts.
"Banks may turn away customers, because they may not think they are worth the risk if they have links to Mexico," said Eric Jacobstein, a former State Department official in the Biden administration.
Banks could ultimately decide to avoid entire sectors perceived as high risk, said Fabian Teichmann, a Swiss lawyer and expert on terrorist financing. Mr. Teichmann singled out Mexico's avocado trade, where cartels have drastically expanded their operations, as one area that could come under greater scrutiny.
"Banks might say, 'We don't want to be anywhere close to those who are considered to be terrorists, so we want to avoid that risk,'" Mr. Teichmann said. "From a banking perspective, that will be a very reasonable decision."
Other types of financial institutions that facilitate payments between the United States and Mexico could also be affected, such as Venmo or PayPal, which Mr. Trump's close confidant Elon Musk helped found.
The terrorist label could also push big parts of Mexico's economy further into the shadows, where cash is used instead of electronically traceable transactions, making it harder for investigators to examine the cartels' financial structures, Mr. Teichmann said.
"If people can't bank legitimately, they escape to so-called underground banking systems," Mr. Teichmann said.
In 2024, the American Chamber of Commerce in Mexico surveyed 218 companies and found that 12 percent of respondents said that "organized crime has taken partial control of the sales, distribution and/or pricing of their goods."
The multinational banana producer Chiquita Brands was found liable in 2024 for killings by a Colombian right-wing paramilitary group that was designated as a terrorist organization. Chiquita Brands said that it had been extorted by the paramilitary group and forced to make payments to protect its Colombian employees. Plaintiffs, however, argued that the company had paid the paramilitary group to run out residents to buy land at depressed values.
The terrorist designation would also hurt American companies that are firmly north of the border but rely on Mexican labor. The designation is so broad and vague that ranches in Texas or farms in California could be swept up by the penalties if their employees send remittances to family members in Mexico who are involved in organized crime.
If money transfer companies like Western Union also stop transactions to Mexico over worries about properly vetting Mexican clients, it could affect the remittances the country relies on. That would be devastating for the Mexican economy, which received $63.3 billion in remittances in 2023, nearly 5 percent of the country's gross domestic product.
The foreign terrorist designation could also pave the way for the United States to deploy forces inside Mexico against criminal organizations without the Mexican government's consent, as it did in Afghanistan and Syria.
But Afghanistan was occupied by the United States, and Syria's government lost control over much of its territory in recent years. That gave Washington some cover under international law for the American military to deploy troops and launch special-forces operations to kill or capture terrorist leaders in those countries.
Mexico, however, has built up cooperation with the United States for over 30 years to counter the cartels. Mexico could threaten to halt cooperation if the United States is seen to be violating Mexico's sovereignty. When the U.S. federal prosecutors office arrested Mexico's former defense secretary during Mr. Trump's first administration, the Mexican government halted all cooperation with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
"Unilateral action would be catastrophic," said Craig Deare, a former U.S. military attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico in the 1990s.
Article above if anyone cares to read it. However funny it is to see the news media decide that the murders, drug smugglers, human traffickers, rapists, and literal terrorists are actually a good thing because Orange Man said they were bad, that's not what I'd like to focus on. I want to direct your attention to one quote, that will possibly strike the average MATI listener as particularly funny.
"If people can't bank legitimately, they escape to so-called underground banking systems," Mr. Teichmann said.
Possibly debanking cartels as a 2nd order effect of declaring them terrorists is somehow worse than all of the legal business activity that do get debanked for whatever arbitrary reasons. Thanks NYT, very cool. *sigh*
 
Niggercell Manifesto in full, provided by the Endingpointer X account. Real? Not real? You be the judge and sweep accordingly.
I knew someone who was actually this crazy. He could have written something like this.
 
The answer is probably that I’m a retard, but in light of this recent shooting following a disturbing trend is there anything the Internet Preservation Society could do to increase awareness or action regarding Internet grooming gangs targeting vulnerable children and teens?
Or is that too many things on one plate and out of the scope of the purpose of the organization? My thoughts are that given that the Farms is uniquely good at digging and archiving immediately after these tragedies we are probably the site most aware of this, in my mind, underreported problem that’s genuinely scary.
 
is there anything the Internet Preservation Society could do to increase awareness or action regarding Internet grooming gangs targeting vulnerable children and teens?
Sadly, I think it may be too soon for the USIPS to take any actions. We may have to keep beating the drums on social media and making our own friends/family aware of this purposeful dispiriting of the young.
 
I believe everyone needs to work in a low income grocery store in their lives at some point. Not whole foods, not Kroger, not target, not Wegmans. Go work at the low end stores. The budget of budget places. People need to learn how fucked up food stamps really are. They need to watch a family with new air pods and iPhones checkout 3 carts full of fucking MTN dew and snacks all tax free on EBT. Frozen shrimp and prime rib. You can buy bubblegum with EBT. You could quite literally spend your entire EBT balance on bubblegum. The amount of fraud too. I can't believe how many people I've argued with who think that water is actually more expensive than soda and that EBT is some gift to the world and they have no idea the absolute garbage you can buy with it and the things you can't buy like any hygiene items. People who haven't worked in these places in my experience really don't fully understand how bad it is.
 
The judge sentenced him more harshly because he was white.

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The Obama appointee judge
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There was all sorts of federal misconduct involved. The investigating federal agents went to jail for corruption. I think one of them stole the bitcoin from the silk road and the FBI sold off the rest. He had 144,000 bitcoins at the time. The murder for hire was never substantiated and was dropped (but was still used for sentencing)
point of order, no:
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Enoch was fine for a long time, until other people started to rebel and counter-superchat, and then the joke quickly got stale shortly after. It was routine for almost a year, but once it became a hassle or point or friction then it was gone. There's a lot of leeway with what he'll read, the worst things you can do are be boring, or gross. 4chans automotive board was just the right amount of time and stopped before it got stale, and beejams are forever.

Also your dead gay website flickered out for 5 minutes, I almost went to bed because of it
 
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Are Africans giving rise to the Chinese landwhale? I never see obese Chinese women.
I’m in Asia now, nigga they getting thicc.
I’m seeing some chinky gorlocks around here, Asians have a massive sweettooth as a race it seems and snacking all day is just what you do, hence these Kirby looking bitches.
 
The answer is probably that I’m a retard, but in light of this recent shooting following a disturbing trend is there anything the Internet Preservation Society could do to increase awareness or action regarding Internet grooming gangs targeting vulnerable children and teens?
Or is that too many things on one plate and out of the scope of the purpose of the organization? My thoughts are that given that the Farms is uniquely good at digging and archiving immediately after these tragedies we are probably the site most aware of this, in my mind, underreported problem that’s genuinely scary.
Many years ago - 2018 or 19, it's escaping me - I remember there being some kind of subforum here that was focused on archiving everything from shooters and striving to place them in mockery and contempt rather than fear. But I think those threads got migrated over to A&N or Happenings by now. I don't recall when that shift happened, though.
The most recent occurrences seem like they're entwined with online sadist groups that have their own existing threads, and from what I've read, the FBI already deems 764 and multiple others as terrorist organizations. Other than that, the best thing I can think of is to simply keep others wary of those kinds of groups.
 
Many years ago - 2018 or 19, it's escaping me - I remember there being some kind of subforum here that was focused on archiving everything from shooters and striving to place them in mockery and contempt rather than fear. But I think those threads got migrated over to A&N or Happenings by now. I don't recall when that shift happened, though.
The most recent occurrences seem like they're entwined with online sadist groups that have their own existing threads, and from what I've read, the FBI already deems 764 and multiple others as terrorist organizations. Other than that, the best thing I can think of is to simply keep others wary of those kinds of groups.
That was the Shooting Gallery.
 
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