Careercow Elon Reeve Musk - Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter owner + ex-paypal CEO. Manchild, sexual deviant, spergy autist with access to space travel

[FootballBuff]

He supports Germany's far-right party with nazi ties

What german far right party? Is this "far right germany party" in the room with us right now?

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Elon and Trump's lover's quarrel to start soon?

Elon doesn't have much to offer Trump anymore, after he helped him have media access better than just truth social offers. He's also causing all sorts of problems already. They were always a bit of alliance of convenience. Also Elon wants all sort of government contracts, so he's rather dependent and vulnerable to sitting power (though it goes in both ways to some degree if the government wants to do space stuff).

I'd say the lover's quarrel had already begun the moment the victory was in.

 

[Niggs Monaghan]

Pretty sure Trump hated Elon from the start and only tried to like him after he tried to ingratiate himself as Top Sycophant for a while, so he decided to use him as much as possible while he could stand him.
He's probably in the process of dropping Elon, especially after the H1B and roman salute debacle.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

Elon despite all his money and attempts to make people like him ,is naturally an insufferable unlikable bastard.
Only the most ass lickiest of people who want money pretend to like him.
Fully expect Trump to give him a super important job in the corner of a basement of the Trump presidency and forget he's down there.

 

[Combustion Engine]

Why does Altman type in all lowercase

He's not the only "AI leader" to do that, and it's because they think it helps them fit in the "techbro" or-whatever-you-want-to-call-it culture, he's just like you, for real. Altman is an exceptionally slimy character, but unlike Elon won't polarize hundreds of millions with his personal and company antics that are instead mostly kept private (see when he got kicked and found his way back in no time). Well, for now: OpenAI is just a Theranos that delivered a product, and that can change any time.

 

[800 Chupacabras]

Musk being stuck with Doge, an impotent meme position invented just for him while Stargate gets granted to his worst enemy is just divine comedy.

Musk would do anything to trade places with Altman. He shows no interest in actually improving the lives of americans whatsoever.

I hope he is stuck with DOGE, and that Trump bitch-slaps him in place if tries to weasel out. More than that, I hope he is forced to produce results, and that his panoply of other government contracts and subsidies become contingent on those results. Let’s see how powerful and influential he is off the government dole. It would be nice to see him sleep in the bed he made for once.

 

[Maurice Maine]

I hope he is stuck with DOGE, and that Trump bitch-slaps him in place if tries to weasel out. More than that, I hope he is forced to produce results, and that his panoply of other government contracts and subsidies become contingent on those results. Let’s see how powerful and influential he is off the government dole. It would be nice to see him sleep in the bed he made for once.

A very good insight from a redditor:

You know when I think about it from his perspective, he must be so fucking pissed that the company he believes should’ve been his, the company he said would fail without him when he left, is now obviously on track to produce the world’s first artificial superintelligence. Now he has to watch Sam Altman, the guy who pretty much said “lmao fuck no” when Elon tried to take control of OpenAI, be in the exact position Elon has dreamed of being in ever since he first learned about the concept of ASI.

In my view, whoever produces the first ASI will be in the lead for the foreseeable future, and Elon likely thinks the same with how powerful he believes ASI will be. I’d be shocked if he was able to keep quiet, frankly. This is basically gonna be Elon every day from now on

But Elon ain't alone in his misfortune: All the people in tech from Indian scammer Satya Nadella to that shifty bastard Dario Amodei are pissed off that they're not getting Trump's handout. But the biggest loser of them all is Ilya Sutskever.

 

[AmpleApricots]

OpenAI used to be a non-profit, another thing nobody will ever care about but I'll write it out anyways - so basically, if you are an american tax payer, you paid for the success of that company with your taxes, just as you will most likely end up paying for "stargate" and the neverending rows of "advisors" and the like it'll bring with itself in some way. Oracle is involved. All you need to know, really.


an interesting tweet about this.

For those not following closely: OpenAI was ahead in the AI race at the beginning but have since then been surpassed in anything besides digging their claws into the market and trying to make goverments regulate competition out of existence. Always lots of hype with no delivery at the end. Their products are not competitive, price wise. They're the 90s Microsoft of AI.

To give a bit of background - I'm personally interested in AI and think it's a good and important technology, but I'm also nothing but convinced that it needs at least some regulation. Not because of a Skynet scenario, but because without regulation even if you get to keep your job and it doesn't go to an AI, you'll end up in a hellscape where an unblinking AI-manager will track your eye movements for your entire workday to make sure you don't look away from your work for more than four seconds while constantly micromanaging every single thing you do and every minute you spend with work. Then when you'll invariably develop health problems, you'll end up not being able to see a human doctor but will have to live with an AI one who will put the interests of the corporation that is in ownership of it over your health. If it's to the wishes of the likes of Musk and Altman, this will be your life. Up to the whims of what is ultimatively software over there's no oversight how it actually works. AI will run society and AI will be run by the tech bros.

That is not a world you want to live in. This is what the regulations in the EU a preemtively stopping from happening and Biden's reversed act also addressed.

 

[Maurice Maine]

They're the 90s Microsoft of AI.

But do you think they're gonna walk the walk? Terrible things MS did in the 90s

• Murdered Gary Kildall
• Stole OS/2 from IBM and made Windows NT
• Sabotaged DOS 'clones' like DR-DOS by making drivers and shit only work on MS-DOS
• Made Netscape irrelevant by bundling MSIE on Windows 98 and made it so anything running on IIS couldn't work on Netscape
• Shoved the terrible Direct3D on everyone's throats to the detriment of 3DFX's glide (which was better)
• Artificially made Windows 98 bloated so you needed respectable hardware to run it

At least that's all I remember. I'm sure there's more. I know they had the US Government by the balls since everywhere ran on Windows.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What german far right party? Is this "far right germany party" in the room with us right now?

AFD, retard. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go

https://www.tpr.org/podcast/the-source/2024-07-31/frontline-investigates-the-rise-of-the-neo-nazi-afd-party-in-germany

Here is your god Elon supporting them: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1869986946031988780?lang=en

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

They're the 90s Microsoft of AI.

i feel they're more like the 1980s IBM, they got all the contracts but the competition is fierce and their fears and gentle touch mean they're going to get fucked by the companies that are psychopathic.

Speaking of your bullshit views on needing laws on AI, this is the global warming argument all fucking over again, it doesn't really fucking matter what the US or EU do because China and India and Russia don't give a flying fuck and will make a better more evil product that people will undercut and render any attempts at following the laws be a complete waste of time for everyone. literally everyone.

open AI and Claude can't do fucking shit, you ask them any questions you could look up in a sports almanac and they fail every time, you can't even get them to call Obama a monkey. meanwhile Deepseek can do both. It reminds me of how the US was a 3rd world shithole in the Victorian age. On par with how people view China now, yeah we produced a lot of shit cheaply but not anywhere close to the cutting edge on anything.

France was the automobile capital of the planet in the 1890s, they dominated heavier-than-air industries in the 1900s too. They invented moving pictures. Paris was the tech capital of the world back then. then it all fucking vanished.

I know that AGI will happen before the year is out and ASI before the next presidential election, but 1. people will be using multiple bullshit definitions to get to both and 2. no matter how good non-US companies do it won't count for some reason. 3. the necessary shake up in tech will hinder development for the next 4 years as culture clashes happen.

 

[AmpleApricots]

can't even get them to call Obama a monkey

Ah yes, the Obama-Monkey benchmark.

Murdered Gary Kildall

OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment
You'll be the judge. I don't think they made an AI competitor directly fall down the stairs, though.

Otherwise, of course. They shove OpenAIs models as the "default" into every product, Copilot, Bing to name two big examples, Office (?) also. This marginalizes 3rd party products. Until Trump they've lobbied for AI safety regulations but in a shape that would have made it basically impossible for a small company to do any reasonable work on AI. They try to create a "lock-in" where it becomes difficult/impossible to switch to a competing product, to the point where it's basically not an option. They first used gains from OSS (GPT2 era and before) and when they had something tangible they locked it up, not sharing results or knowledge with the wider community. Sounds familiar? Contrary to the named deepseek in the post before me, you cannot download a GPT model and just run it locally on your company servers. You're beholden to the cloud and their compute by signing contracts if you need specific features, e.g. finetuning (which you could do in-house on deepseek R1, for example)

This is especially interesting in the context that their product is overpriced and just not very good anymore, objectively.

 

[Maurice Maine]

Ah yes, the Obama-Monkey benchmark.



OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment
You'll be the judge. I don't think they made an AI competitor directly fall down the stairs, though.

Otherwise, of course. They shove OpenAIs models as the "default" into every product, Copilot, Bing to name two big examples, Office (?) also. This marginalizes 3rd party products. Until Trump they've lobbied for AI safety regulations but in a shape that would have made it basically impossible for a small company to do any reasonable work on AI. They try to create a "lock-in" where it becomes difficult/impossible to switch to a competing product, to the point where it's basically not an option. They first used gains from OSS (GPT2 era and before) and when they had something tangible they locked it up, not sharing results or knowledge with the wider community. Sounds familiar? Contrary to the named deepseek in the post before me, you cannot download a GPT model and just run it locally on your company servers. You're beholden to the cloud and their compute by signing contracts if you need specific features, e.g. finetuning (which you could do in-house on deepseek R1, for example)

This is especially interesting in the context that their product is overpriced and just not very good anymore, objectively.

I'll be honest I use Gemini these days. Google AI Studio lets you upload anything for analysis with no rate limits.



I'd post on AI general but no one uses the thread. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[800 Chupacabras]

But Elon ain't alone in his misfortune: All the people in tech from Indian scammer Satya Nadella to that shifty bastard Dario Amodei are pissed off that they're not getting Trump's handout. But the biggest loser of them all is Ilya Sutskever.

It is funny to see all this jockeying for the position of Tech-Pope among this self-appointed priest class, and how this developing technology is given a Christ-like status. How did this industry become so messianic? Was it all Kurzweil’s doing?

 

[Maurice Maine]

Was it all Kurzweil’s doing?

I don't think so because Kurzweil 'knows' in the end this shit (who gets to AGI first) won't matter. I say 'knows' because for many years I thought he dreamed up the singularity because he was afraid of dying. It's 'coming true' but is it going to be how Kurzweil envisioned? Who the fuck knows.

 

[Mikoyan]

I'd post on AI general but no one uses the thread. This is getting ridiculous.

Direct hit, fire for effect. Damn, that's savage.

It is funny to see all this jockeying for the position of Tech-Pope among this self-appointed priest class, and how this developing technology is given a Christ-like status. How did this industry become so messianic? Was it all Kurzweil’s doing?

Good thought that it's Ray's fault, but I don't think so. All the elements are there for it to form naturally: Special knowledge (programmin') of a special 'class', the fact that society revolves around tech now, and LOTS AND LOTS of money.

 

[Maurice Maine]

Direct hit, fire for effect. Damn, that's savage.

Good thought that it's Ray's fault, but I don't think so. All the elements are there for it to form naturally: Special knowledge (programmin') of a special 'class', the fact that society revolves around tech now, and LOTS AND LOTS of money.

You think this is getting too off-topic? Truth is Elon is knee-deep in shit with the AI business. Grok blows, he wasn't part of the deal with Stargate and reddit/bluesky types are out for his blood. Should we put the nigga on suicide watch?

 

[AmpleApricots]

If AGI is coming it'll cross over into ASI immediately, most likely. If you think about it, human-level intelligence and human-level reasoning is an incredibly narrow thing - there's actually really little that distinguishes the dumbest person you've ever met in your life from somebody like Albert Einstein. Both are "functional" in very similar ways. I don't see a lot of technological givens for that yet, but honestly, who knows. I have my doubts that the Tech-bro strata will be able to keep control over it in that case for long. Nobody will. But it's hard to try to extrapolate the reasoning of something that both doesn't exist and will also be completely alien to our experience.

But yes, this is getting off-topic.

I think if Trump has any smarts or business acumen, he'll know not to make Musk more powerful than he already is.

 

[800 Chupacabras]

You think this is getting too off-topic?

But yes, this is getting off-topic.

Thanks for indulging my tangent. Musk is baffling in that regard, as if he wants to be viewed with the quasi-religious reverence his peers strive for, yet he is so crass and materialistic that he cheats at video games for recognition.

 

[Mikoyan]

You think this is getting too off-topic? Truth is Elon is knee-deep in shit with the AI business. Grok blows, he wasn't part of the deal with Stargate and reddit/bluesky types are out for his blood. Should we put the nigga on suicide watch?

To bring it back, a thought I somehow crossposted to another thread but intended for this one, earlier: I think he really thought that everything he's 'involved in' would get all the government money funneled through his companies. The potential for him bouncing right back out of the administration is rising, similar to how he did with the business council in the first term.