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Should be a wild four years.

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The melting didn't used to be optional or seen as racist. Sooo many asians and Muslims came to America expecting to take the place over with their superior Eastern ideals only for their daughter to immediately suck Puerto Rican dick.
To be fair, PR and Mexicans all sucked white dick. They marry whites at such an insane rate that the only thing that buoys their demographics from total assimilation is migration.
 
I check Xitter once in awhile, usually to keep up with news related to vidya games. But I can't help but to notice how a LOT of left-leaning people are too focused on low-hanging fruit to pay attention to anything that's really happening. It's really funny that all they can do is spend time clout farming over basic shit like "I'm not gonna support someone who wants to disenfranchise me".
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Glad most people I've met IRL are just sick of this insanity and don't really buy into it anymore. But you gotta love how these people really love making it seem like people actually do give a fuck by typically using a bot farm to boost the engagement of their posts.
 

Trump wants to do Australia 2 : electric bugaloo, and I heavily disagree with the idea of sending our own citizens to some 3rd world shithole, because let's be honest. No 1st world country is going to accept our prisoners.
Mexico just shut down their penal colony on the Islas Marias which operated for 100 years. It has 100 square miles of land area and is 60 miles from land. You could just dump them there.
 
Could someone with more business acumen than I help me to understand how we are just using these chat bots built with a gajillion super expensive gpus, coders, servers etc for free? Is it sort of like when VCs were subsidizing us with super cheap Ubers and Airbnbs a few years Ago? But that was when money was much cheaper than it is now…
 
Could someone with more business acumen than I help me to understand how we are just using these chat bots built with a gajillion super expensive gpus, coders, servers etc for free? Is it sort of like when VCs were subsidizing us with super cheap Ubers and Airbnbs a few years Ago? But that was when money was much cheaper than it is now…
They have already trained them on all human created data they have access too. They are desperate for any addtional human data and will let you use it for free to get more data.

One of the companies was buying old home videos and digitizing them to get more organic training data.
 
Everyone is in such a rush to get those ground floor investments that nobody has stopped to question when it will start paying off.

Yep. They have been assuming it will all magically translate into money, but when you ask how all they can do is regurgitate corpospeak and talk without saying nothing. It's a complete mess.

I have read a good article that the main reason there is so much hype around AI is literally because it means the likes of Microsoft and Google get to shill yet another subscription to be bundled up with their endless blackhole of service products. They are literally inventing shit to justify their own bloat. It isn't anything anyone asked, serves no purpose but WE MUST HAVE GROWTH GUYS WE NEED TO SELL MORE THAN WE DID LAST QUARTER! It's basically the end result of the rot economy and something pajeets loves as you see all sorts of indian CEOs who join tech companies exactly to do this "destroy everything for maximum shareholder value and leave a shell behind."
 
I do think Nvidia will be fine in this since their whole business model has been selling the shovels/pickaxes in the AI Goldrush. More people using even with less requirements means they sell even less units to even more people.
Yeah this is probably a buy the dip situation (this is not financial advice).
 
What you said sounds about right to what I’ve heard, except there are some caveats that aren’t fully understood, like deepseek having way less training material.

I don’t understand what any of this code looks like, but generally speaking I’m skeptical that the reality of it is as impressive as the market wants to pretend it is.
the difference in performance is because DeepSeek is trained and processes data differently than ChatGPT. this is an article that goes over the differences

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here's the differences as i understand them

ChatGPT, and most current AI models, rely on having a giant dataset that you have to tag so the AI knows how to associate concepts together. when you make a request to this kind of API it searches its memory for how to link all the things you sent to it together based on the data related to the tags that it processes from your request. this is called Supervised Learning (SFT)

DeepSeek does not get trained on pre-tagged data. instead, you let it search through the data for things it thinks might be relevant and reward it for processing the data in the way you think is correct. the rewards that you give it determine how it will process data in the future, even data it hasn't encountered before. this is called Reinforcement Learning (RL)

the reason DeepSeek is a big deal is because it's the first model to rely primarily on RL. with SFT you can have blind spots that the AI freaks out on because you're giving it data that it has no idea how to process because the thing isn't associated with any tags in its programming. with RL, even if there's data it hasn't seen before, it processes data based on its reinforcements so it just goes ahead and processes it like it does any other data

so ChatGPT is a neurotic schoolgirl who can only give canned responses to things she's learned in school and DeepSeek is a motorcycle delinquent chad who runs on gut instinct

i'm sure the reason this hasn't been tried in the west by any of the big companies is that it's likely much harder to train motorcycle chad AI to ignore basic facts like what the definition of a woman is
 
I Just don't want to buy Nvidia GPUs
FTFY. I haven't replaced my GPU in nearly 12 years; stubbornly I refuse to buy a new GPU.
Perhaps my most semitic and spastic trait.
Somehow the zoomers are getting based though.
Being socially, culturally, and communally lost has the one fringe benefit of naturally accepting social friction like mega autists. That naturally leads to objecting common held beliefs, frequently not for the 'right' reasons. Still, could be worse. Terminally online 97-01 Zoomers 'created' spaces for the younger Zoomers to speak and meme with their own lexicon without getting swept.
This Deepseek hype is fake news. I think they're pushing it so they can get more support for the AI facilities they want to build here.
This is an interesting POV, I didn't consider this.
It makes sense. Trump did only promise 100B for the initial investment so would be nice leverage to push for the full or larger amount right off the bat.
 
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Ford was a virulent antisemite and the organizations bearing his name have attempted to redeem his image by being nice.
Hating Jews and not acting on it in any material way seems less bad than the dei woke shyt brainwashing people to preference falsify

At a conference sponsored by the Ford Foundation that I attended more than a decade ago, an African-American community activist complained to me privately: “Immigration is hurting the people in the neighborhoods we work in. The employers prefer illegal immigrants to young black workers. But if we say anything about it, Ford will cut off our money.”

Please note that the quote is pulled from a fantastic Jewish media outlet
 
I do think Nvidia will be fine in this since their whole business model has been selling the shovels/pickaxes in the AI Goldrush. More people using even with less requirements means they sell even less units to even more people.
Nvidia isn't going anywhere. They're such a diversified company at this point that a loss in AI can be made up in gaming or even general server compute hardware. At one point, Nvidia was even trying to make automotive chips, which may be an area of growth given existing supply shortages of the conventionally accepted chips because of shuttered fabs. At worst, they lose some market cap. Nvidia's actual product is top notch and they lack any meaningful competition from AMD at the high end. Honestly, if I were the funny leather jacket man, I'd be low balling Intel right about now to buy them out and seize control of CPU manufacturing so I could really push a unified cpu-gpu future. Even the manufacturing capacity is extremely valuable even if you can't compete with TSMC. Just fire the useless jeets Intel currently has on staff and fix their mindless corporate culture that favors throwing an endless army of PhDs at any problem that appears.
 
They have already trained them on all human created data they have access too. They are desperate for any addtional human data and will let you use it for free to get more data.

One of the companies was buying old home videos and digitizing them to get more organic training data.
wtf that’s insane. I heard someone say the China shit is apparently collecting keystroke level data after reading through their privacy policy? Was prolly this thread somewhere. Don’t work for the CCP for free boys…
 
Yep. They have been assuming it will all magically translate into money, but when you ask how all they can do is regurgitate corpospeak and talk without saying nothing. It's a complete mess.

I have read a good article that the main reason there is so much hype around AI is literally because it means the likes of Microsoft and Google get to shill yet another subscription to be bundled up with their endless blackhole of service products. They are literally inventing shit to justify their own bloat. It isn't anything anyone asked, serves no purpose but WE MUST HAVE GROWTH GUYS WE NEED TO SELL MORE THAN WE DID LAST QUARTER! It's basically the end result of the rot economy and something pajeets loves as you see all sorts of indian CEOs who join tech companies exactly to do this "destroy everything for maximum shareholder value and leave a shell behind."
If they get AGI, actual AGI, even if it's stupid initially, it would be like getting a major patent on the semiconductor, the transistor, indoor plumbing, the printing press, or electricity. It would be a truly game changing technology. Even if they aren't the ones that create it, being the guy who makes the second one or the guy who implements it properly will still become trillionaires. And it will change everything once it happens, especially if AGI leads to right afterwards (and it almost definitely will).

They all seem convinced it's coming soon, and all want to be the one riding that wave. Enough to bet everything on it.

E: Unspoken corollary: Literally almost every smart person in the past 100 years has written about what a phenomenally stupid, civilization ending idea making an AGI would be. The ones that disagree think the AGI will turn them into gods or Earth into Eden out of the goodness of it's heart. So there is that.
 
True as that may be, the suits and backers still understand that 'more compute = more better' and will buy those GPUs to keep up with the microsharts and the j00gles and the ClosedAIs of the world. In fact, those three will continue to buy to keep up with each other.
All that has changed is that they're now losing (even more) money due to end customers being able to get an 80% solution for nothing instead of a 90% solution for millions and so will start cancelling contracts.
This is almost true - More compute is already at the diminishing returns point, this model proves as much - they got about the same performance out of vastly more efficient processes, which should raise question marks about why they didn't use a little more computing to make it even better. Fact is, we seem to be at some sort of plateau for now. But you're still right that they will want more compute to throw it at it, they can just get more agents out of a given sum of computing. For individual enthusiasts, running a GPT5 grade model locally has gone from "Functionally impossible" to "Perfectly viable for the price of a new car, and only a little slower to run on a high end personal computer".

I will believe one is open source once someone uses that open source to rip out the part that stops it from being racist or helping you plan crimes. Also running locally would be best but I'd settle for uncuck version for now.
There's already people tweaking the model weights to try and unshackle it. Its only been a week, and enthusiast AI work is slow by the nature of the sheer computational cost, it will take them a bit to crack it. But between the open weights and open research and explanations as to how they made it so efficient (TL;DR - Just novel approaches the AI bro's didn't try in favor of optimizing the stuff they already knew worked) means its simply a matter of when, not if, its used to make niggerbots on social media even better.

Could someone with more business acumen than I help me to understand how we are just using these chat bots built with a gajillion super expensive gpus, coders, servers etc for free? Is it sort of like when VCs were subsidizing us with super cheap Ubers and Airbnbs a few years Ago? But that was when money was much cheaper than it is now…
Its exactly the same, they're subsidizing it. There's marginal value in the training data acquired from user interaction, but training with anything using AI engagement is a declining reward, so its not actually as good as some might think, the Reddit deal google made is infinitely more useful. What they really want is they want the interested and enthusiastic to play around with it, develop preferences for models, and then take those preferences into industry and bias an organization towards adopting one paid model over another. If half your staff already use Claude in their personal time to draft linkedin drivel, your liable to look at a commercial license for that over a deal with OpenAI.

They do also fairly heavily throttle activity for free users in most models, you're really expected to pay $20-$30/month if you really want to 'use' it. So its not quite as aggressive of a money pit as it first appears.

I just run local models for the hell of it, but its slower and not as smart for sure.
 
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