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Does Capitalism Inevitably Lead to Fascism?

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Yeah, yeah, what’s this to do with tech bullshit? Not a ton specifically, but we have the misfortune to live in interesting times. Don’t worry — I promise you someone in Silicon Valley will do something dumb soon.

Inevitably is a large word doing a large amount of work in that headline. Almost nothing, aside from death, is inevitable. But headlines are headlines, and the question probably deserves to be thought about given how many former democracies are drifting, or running the case of the US, into some form of fascist-like authoritarianism. Maybe it is just a coincidence that liberal democracies were at their strongest right before the Berlin Wall fell, but maybe not.

Capitalism is the economic theory that it is fine to allow someone to starve to death if they cannot find employment. Yes, economists will quibble (and by quibble, I mean call me an idiot) but from a practical standpoint, that is what it boils down to — if you cannot find work that pays enough to eat, then you deserve to starve to death. If you had talents, then the market would ensure that your talents were rewarded. Now, of course, the idea that a free market will treat everyone fairly is a moronic way to look at the world. Anyone who ignores power relationships when dealing with any system of human relationships should be kept as far away from actual power and influence as possible. Maybe give them a nice, short piece of string to play with — that seems about what they can handle.

Except in economics, a lot of people seem to believe that nonsense. Free market fundamentalists on the right think that as long as contracts are enforced, everything is fine. Neoliberalists on the left think that the power of the market will make government more efficient — a lessor but related claim. It is no wonder that many of the most powerful businesspeople act as if they believe it as well.

Capitalism will always produce externalities — costs that are generated by a business but borne by the society around the business. Pollution is the canonical example, but things like paying people too little to afford homes manifests in people living on the street in one form or another and paying people too little to afford to eat manifests in strains on government services and charities. The textbook way to deal with these externalities is to tax the people generating them to pay for the cost of dealing with said externalities.

Except capital hates paying taxes the way healthy people hate the plague.

Inevitably, then, the people with the money attempt to reshape the political environment. Soon or later, the power of the government — anti-trust laws, labor laws, a robust social safety net including things like education and food for people who cannot pay market prices — to interfere with the collection of capital, to make capital pay for the cost of the damage they do to society is weakened or removed. That in turn leads to society becoming harder to live in for most people. And that in turn leads to anger, resentment, and fear, all of which are fertile breeding ground for authoritarianism.

Because if the normal workings of government have been neutered, why would people believe that normal politics works? Why wouldn’t they believe that a strong man has all the answers, especially if he or she has a ready scapegoat that the majority already distrusts or is biased against? In theory, this could work for the left, but targeting the power of capital is difficult when capital is powering your election funds. So, money leads to power leads to inefficient or helpless government leads to despair leads to turning to strongmen solutions leads to the effective end of liberal democracy.

This is not necessarily a brief for communism. It is easy to fall back on the old trope that true communism has never been tried, etc.etc. But, mate, every single fully communistic nation has been an authoritarian nightmare (and a good example that the forms of democracy do not equal the content of democracy. Most communist nations had elections and constitutions that were, on paper, freer than most in the so-called free world. Fat lot of good it did their people in practice.) Nor is this necessarily a brief for social democracy. Most of the nations that are falling to the right-wing authoritarianism had strong social democratic components. And of course, this is the just the ramblings of some random idiot, per your local economist, on the internet. It is not a serious work of social science.

But I don’t think that anyone can disagree that, at a minimum, capitalism is no guarantee of freedom or liberal democracy. And I think everyone can agree that capitalism as it is practiced today tends toward unlimited power for the few, and that unlimited power is bad. We need to start treating capital as a dangerous force in our communities, not as benign or naturally beneficial one.

Capital is like fire — something to be handled very, very carefully. Contained in my furnace and fireplace it’s helpful. Love me some fire. Fire left to its own devices, though, burns down a third of Los Angelos. Fire bad. I am not entirely sure what the political form of a fireplace is. Probably making all companies above a certain sized worker-owned collectives with only limited outside investment allowed, intense anti-trust regulations paired with some form of work guarantee or UBI and fully funded election campaigns, where donations are seen as the bribes they really are. And yes, there are problems with every item on my list. I never claimed to have all the answers to everything.

But if we do not operate from the principal that capital is bad in its natural form, then we have no chance of keeping our liberal democracies in the long term.
 
Unapologetic extremist capitalist here.

Let's look at the author.
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A recent article of theirs is called "Imitative AI Doesn't Need to Be an Environmental Disaster. Maybe. Or Regulation and Incentives Work"
In other words, this person is an interventionist or socialist.

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Capitalism is the economic theory that it is fine to allow someone to starve to death if they cannot find employment.

The Russian constitution of 1918, after the Bolshevik Revolution, said
18. The Russian Socialist Federated Soviet Republic considers work the duty of every citizen of the Republic, and proclaims as its motto: 'He shall not eat who does not work.'​

Article 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution says
In the USSR work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat".​

Joseph Stalin quoted Vladimir Lenin to declare "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."


If that falls under your definition of capitalism, the conclusions you try to draw are meaningless.
 
But if we do not operate from the principal that capital is bad in its natural form, then we have no chance of keeping our liberal democracies in the long term.
Its impressive how they start with the idea capital is bad but not the nigger faggot vagina worship that infests every square inch of their precious liberal democracies. "Muh workers" till that scab labor is some shade of brown from outside the nation. "Muh right to life" till some slut wants to abort a baby. "Muh safe society" till some violent nigger guns down a 11 year old kid during some gang feud. The issue isn't capital, the issue is liberal democracies tendency to preach equality all while making carve outs for the undeserving.
 
Erm ackshually, according to scientific marxism, capitalism inevitably leads to class conflict, where either the proletariat class replacing the capitalist class, either through a popular revolution or through suppression by the capitalist class in the form of vanguardism (which is liturally fascism guiz), or through democratic socialism (which is basically social democracy, which is basically social fascism, which is basically fascism). Because real communism has never been tried, even popular revolution leads to literally fascism.

So basically, capitalism leads to fascism. Checkmate conservatards.
 
No, but, it's failure leaves behind a lot of angry and upset people willing to give it a shot.

So, I don't know why you are doing your best to strangle the free market and middle class to death in your ignorance that it wont' leave behind a mass of angry upset people who'll listen to anyone offering them a shot at revenge, let alone doing better.

The mythos of modern times used to be that we learned what happens when economies fail with no safety net? You get Nazi Germany.

So, conventional wisdom? The "how to run a country 101" course? Was "don't drive your economy into the ground or you get Nazis" .

Somehow, over the last 20 years, that narrative has been modified , and the onus was put on the public, not the government. That is, the conventional wisdom now is "Tank whatever economic losses your better's bad policy creates, otherwise, you empower Nazis"
 
Rhetorical question: when did capitalism become the lefty boogeyman?
Always has been. But since they couldn't get socialism to take hold in America (at least not explicitly), they shifted from "Proles vs Bougies" to "oppressed vs oppressors".

And when they ran out of people who were genuinely oppressed and had valid grievances, they expanded the pool of the "oppressed" to include undesirables. Tweakers, pedophiles, perverts, Munchies, and malingerers aren't shunned from society for any good reason, they're just poor, misunderstood victims who need to be tolerated by those mean, oppressive normal people.

What hasn't changed is that Leftists never address the glaring flaws in their paint-by-numbers solutions. Anyone who objects to giving them absolute power isn't doing so in good faith in their minds; they're just self-interested apologists for the "Oppressors". The basics of this ad hominem has taken many forms, but goes all the way back to Marx and Engels.
 
I think all economic models that seek to covert labor into currency are doomed to an extremist reaction. Which type is dependent on multiple factors. Until we develop a currency that is perishable over time and incentivizes spending over hoarding we will always reach a similar outcome.
 
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No. Marxism, in its ideological failure of trying to describe the human condition in materialistic terms that don't represent coherent economic reality nor actually solves but exacerbates the issues of enlightenment liberalism, inevitably leads to Fascism. Fascism (And Nazism) are reactions to Marxism and reassertions of "true socialism," which prior to Proudhon and Marx and scientific socialism referred to any system where man is socialized. Proudhon (And then Marx) merely used the working class as anchor for the telos of what we ought to be socialized into. Fascism denies that the working class is the basis for socialization, rather social or national characteristics create greater socialization. In fact, one can describe wokism (Which is Critical Theory, a mix of Gramscianism and Freudian Psychoanalysis) a form of post-Marxism arising from the same conclusions as Fascism/Nazism of generalizing exploitation theory to social dynamics, but still trying to cling onto leftist constructivism and internationalism while Fascism/Nazism is more essentialist and nationalist.

Mussolini was a member of the socialist party who felt Marxists weren't accelerationist enough, declared himself a socialist even in his last testament, and was friends with Bombacci and even in the late 30s merely said Lenin failed at achieving Utopia, he didn't hate Lenin. Hitler only hated Marxism for its Jewish proponents and its erasure of the personality principle; otherwise he said in speeches he wanted to maintain the economic energies of Marxism, he believed in the labor theory of value and tendency for the rate of profit to fall, and he even declared in Mein Kampf that if one removed the racial component of Nazism it fights on the same level as Marxism.

For both of them, businessmen only supported them because 1. They were the winning side and 2. They recognized that it's better to be bullied and taxed and regulated around than outright nationalized (And possibly sent to camps) like Marxists intended. This doesn't mean business was friendly wtih Fascism. Personal letters to Gramsci show businessmen completely regretted siding with Fascism.

Fascism and Marxism still ignore the economic calculation problem. They still believe in mass democracy (Gentile calls Fascism democracy par excellence). Both are modernist post-enlightenment ideologies that derive from Hegel. Fascism is arguably less violent than Marxism in pure ideological terms because Fascist violence is less about terror and more about revitalizing consciousness in masculine deeds, Marxist terror is integral and what it says on the tin, it's about hatred and zealotry.

The screaming about Fascism being capitalism in decay is literally a psyop developed by Zinoviyev and Stalin from the 1920s to justify harassing moderates too. Antifa was formed in the 1920s to attack anyone to the right of Stalin as being a Fascist. This was before the war crimes in Ethiopia, before the Holocaust, before any of that. Mussolini was a saint on Earth compared to Lenin and Stalin at this time. Marxist hatred for Fascism predates and never was about a Holocaust (Marx had colorful things to say about Jews, even the Jewish Bolsheviks hated their kind) or genocide or totalitarianism, Lenin did all of this stuff. It was because Fascism is a heresy to Marxism, and heresies are to be crushed.

All these fascist/nazi states arose out of countries that went from monarchism --> socialism. Fascism never arose in the United States. It never took power in the United Kingdom. However, it will rise when Marxism goes too far, Fascism only ever appears when Marxists overstep their boundaries and act delusional, like in the red terror of Italy or all the disgusting shit in Weimar Germany.
 
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The author goes by "K.C. Raybould" in other places. He describes himself as a "tech nerd" and "programmer".

The article here is just the same boiilerplate argument that every socialist and communist has made since the 1920s. That the only political choice is between fascism and orthodox marxist socialism of one sort or another. That capitalism in any form is unsustainable because Karl Marx's writings.

And as usual, fascism to these people is simply any system that isn't socialism based on Marx.
 
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