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Guys, you could literally make a cogent argument that Hitler was a leftist. One speck of leftism is not going to work as a functional definition for woke, it's more like a dangerous concentration of leftism, like radiation. Technically radiation is everywhere and no amount is good for you... yet we distinguish between flying to Florida and having a campout in the ruins of reactor 4.
And you can criticize Hitler's progressive ideas, because despite being a swell guy, his progressive ideas still sucked.

One speck of progressive mind-rot is exactly that. If your game is 99% real but contains even 1% progressive nonsense, then yes, it has some woke in it.

This isn’t a black-or-white issue. Every instance of progressive ideas in media should be scrutinized. That doesn’t mean TLOU2 is exactly as woke as Halo, but TLOU2 oozing wokeness doesn’t mean Halo isn’t woke.


@30+GameOvers

Woke = lefty progressive ideas. It has meaning.
It’s about the inverted pyramid of social and natural hierarchies and the denial of natural order.

For everything I call woke, I can make a clear case that it violates natural order, which is bad because building upon lies inevitably leads to destruction.

Does your definition or use of "woke" even have any concrete meaning?
What is your precise definition?
 
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Seeing some of the people railing the hardest against KCD2 in its thread turn around and get offended when it happens to a game they like is just the funniest shit.
Vegas has a lot of woke shit if you really think about it.
>The quest where you help some retarded simp escape Gomorrah with his literal whore crush
>Being magically able to convince anyone of anything because you said the right thing (This is more plain retarded but still)
>Vengeance is bad, leave it up to the authorities that have proven inept and even corrupt time and time again (Cass' quest)
>The Kings being a gang that doesn't do any real gang shit yet also keeps the peace so killing them is bad (Not sure if there was cut content here or they really didn't think about it)
>Everything to do with The Followers (how the fuck do they even function, seriously)
>Boone's core problem not being his wife, but the thieving and murdering junkies he exterminated on orders.
>We have to create something new that's different from the old things, maaaaaaan, message
>Some random tribal nigger did as much crazy shit as you and raves nonsense while the best you can do is say he's got the wrong guy than any sort of meaningful or outright refutation
 
So you say, but that's only a definition you decided on out of nowhere. If you don't consider the subtle propaganda militant, even though it serves the same exact purpose as the rest of it and absolutely worked to pave the way for how retarded things have gotten, then that's dumb.
There wasn’t any paved way or natural progression from games like NV or what have you. To give you a quick history lesson wokeness was born in the fiery depths of NeoGAF and later resetERA. They were the original people to push for DEI, but they realised nobody cared for their screeching and eventually they devised a new strategy.

What they do is blackmail people to either get rid of the people in charge or drag the incredibly clueless executives to their side. That’s what they do, they infiltrate. How BlackRock and their ESG retardation fits into this i have no idea, working theory is they realised wokeness is overall relatively harmless and easy to grift of off.

In what way, shape or form is New Vegas propaganda? It doesn’t really want you to believe in anything, as I clearly outlined in the original post. If you disagree then provide arguments.
Also if New Vegas wasn't woke it wouldn't be THE tranny game of choice. Sorry to say, proof is in the results.
It’s also THE lolbert game, the NV community is quite politically diverse. Also if 'proof is in the results' then let it be known that the woketards had to get rid of Avellone and most people who worked on NV when they were capturing obsidian to skinwalk like every other studio. This of course wouldn’t be necessary if Obsidian was already woke. In fact they have provided us with a perfect specimen of what a woke new vegas would’ve looked like in the form of the outer worlds.
 
There wasn’t any paved way or natural progression from games like NV or what have you. To give you a quick history lesson wokeness was born in the fiery depths of NeoGAF and later resetERA. They were the original people to push for DEI, but they realised nobody cared for their screeching and eventually they devised a new strategy.
This is a silly origin story of DEI.
If you’re looking at DEI in a vacuum, which is already too reductive, it comes from lefty progressive academia. It stems from Critical Theory, Civil Rights activism, and CRT. If you look at it more holistically, you can trace its origins back hundreds and even thousands of years.

Here is some DEI in action long before NeoGAF.
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And it has never been a bottom-up movement. It comes from an academic group propagandizing ideas of an inverted social hierarchy onto the lowest in society. It's revolutionary at its core.
 
This is a silly origin story of DEI.
If you’re looking at DEI in a vacuum, which is already too reductive, it comes from lefty progressive academia. It stems from Critical Theory, Civil Rights activism, and CRT. If you look at it more holistically, you can trace its origins back hundreds and even thousands of years.

Here is some DEI in action long before NeoGAF.
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And it has never been a bottom-up movement. It comes from an academic group propagandizing ideas of an inverted social hierarchy onto the lowest in society. It's revolutionary at its core.
I was referring strictly to video games. The concept is way older and is downstream from the big one, Marxism.
 
Women in the military, women being better than men, the legion being bad guys, Daniel being Asian, Veronica being a carpet muncher and Arcade being a schlong schlurper? You are seriously going to tell me that shit isn't progressive liberal politics?
1. The NCR is built off pre war America's "values" (apart from it's repressiveness), although the US of Fallout has a 1950s aesthetic, it does not have 1950s social attitudes, so feminism and gender quality would still have been social forces.

2. What instances are there of women being better than men in the game and why do you believe men are superior to women?

3. The Legion are pretty objectively a negative force, they are inspired by the Roman Empire, it's repressiveness and cruelty included.

4. Why is Daniel being Asian an issue? Again the world of Fallout is 1950s aesthetic not social attitudes, so there would have been Asian immigration, there were even Asian communities in the US prior to Fallout POD.

5. Lesbians and homosexuals still exist, you can disagree on what kind of presence they should have society or things like marriage but their existence isn't a crime.

Vegas has a lot of woke shit if you really think about it.
>The quest where you help some retarded simp escape Gomorrah with his literal whore crush
>Being magically able to convince anyone of anything because you said the right thing (This is more plain retarded but still)
>Vengeance is bad, leave it up to the authorities that have proven inept and even corrupt time and time again (Cass' quest)
>The Kings being a gang that doesn't do any real gang shit yet also keeps the peace so killing them is bad (Not sure if there was cut content here or they really didn't think about it)
>Everything to do with The Followers (how the fuck do they even function, seriously)
>Boone's core problem not being his wife, but the thieving and murdering junkies he exterminated on orders.
>We have to create something new that's different from the old things, maaaaaaan, message
>Some random tribal nigger did as much crazy shit as you and raves nonsense while the best you can do is say he's got the wrong guy than any sort of meaningful or outright refutation
Explain to me how each of these things are woke.
 
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look at this clip from 3:10
are you saying female ranger stellar who can kill an elite Centurion with her barefist isn't woke?
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this would fit perfectly in Outer worlds, a game I'm positive you'd all agree is in fact gay and retarded.

No, she's not a super mutant claiming to be a woman, or a giga proto troon in a wig, she's not even an Abby type of character, the legion guy isn't lying and hyping you up and just fucking with you to kill some woman he found.
that last one would be too funny and we can't have that when it's about showing women are just as capable of as men, especially in hand to hand combat.

Just look at this at face value and tell me this NEEDED to be in the game, and it should be in more games, I only have 80 hours in NV so go easy on me with the lore stuff.
want to know how a delt with the problem above? I just killed her every playthrough I did.
I'm sure if this were made today, she would be an essential NPC where you can only do a quest to break her out of slavery.

I still played more OG fallout than Synth, lazy fuck FAKE FAN.
 
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God maybe Autism was actually the best rating for my last post...
Being autistic can be cringe, but can also be funny.

You don't need to feel guilty for enjoying games but you should inoculate yourself against the message while doing so.
I just see games that do stuff like "look this guy has slaves and beats them. He is bad. Do you get it player?" Stuff like that that hits you over the head. But then there is stuff where they try to be deep by saying everything is grey. But then the bad guys are always some religious cult which is obviously propaganda against Christians. And then there is the bad guys who are politicians and you think "finally" but they are represent right wingers and are obvious racist bigots. So lazy.

Griffin Gaming knows how to commentate and create content
Didnt Griffin said God of War Ragnacuck wasnt woke and then swiftly backpedaled when he saw the winds were changing? Also he simp for Aerith when Tifa is obviously best girl in FF7.
 
1. The NCR is built off pre war America's "values" (apart from it's repressiveness), although the US of Fallout has a 1950s aesthetic, it does not have 1950s social attitudes, so feminism and gender quality would still have been social forces.

2. What instances are there of women being better than men in the game and why do you believe men are superior to women?

3. The Legion are pretty objectively a negative force, they are inspired by the Roman Empire, it's repressiveness and cruelty included.

4. Why is Daniel being Asian an issue? Again the world of Fallout is 1950s aesthetic not social attitudes, so there would have been Asian immigration, there were even Asian communities in the US prior to Fallout POD.

5. Lesbians and homosexuals still exist, you can disagree on what kind of presence they should have society or things like marriage but their existence isn't a crime.
You sound like a actual faggot and I'm afraid there's not much anyone can do about that regardless of what answers you may or may not receive.

I personally recommend opening up to your family about it and seeking mental stability and acceptance.
 
And you can criticize Hitler's progressive ideas, because despite being a swell guy, his progressive ideas still sucked.

One speck of progressive mind-rot is exactly that. If your game is 99% real but contains even 1% progressive nonsense, then yes, it has some woke in it.

This isn’t a black-or-white issue. Every instance of progressive ideas in media should be scrutinized. That doesn’t mean TLOU2 is exactly as woke as Halo, but TLOU2 oozing wokeness doesn’t mean Halo isn’t woke.
Pretty much what I said. Everything has a few extra nuetrons but we only call the seriously tainted stuff radioactive. It defeats the purpose of the warning if you slap the label on everything (*cough* CA cancer tags on products) Is the radiation metaphore going over your guys heads?

Everything is woke to the point where 'it contains leftism' is not a meaningful distinction. Yet you can point the Geiger counter at dustborn and it pins the needle, and that is a very useful distinction.

My point is not that we should ignore woke shit in God of War... it's that this shit was always here, is everywhere and that wokeness is a spectrum and should be treated as such.
 
I just see games that do stuff like "look this guy has slaves and beats them. He is bad. Do you get it player?" Stuff like that that hits you over the head. But then there is stuff where they try to be deep by saying everything is grey. But then the bad guys are always some religious cult which is obviously propaganda against Christians. And then there is the bad guys who are politicians and you think "finally" but they are represent right wingers and are obvious racist bigots. So lazy.
Synth was right with the whole proto-woke thing. Sure, it's not woke by today's standards but wokeness today, while so fucking ludicrous, can be traced back to basic things like tolerating fags and being open-minded in general.
 
I mean I agree it was a quality post but do note the carve out for Varva, my disagreement with both of you guys is why I posted. The gay option looks like background radiation in any other game but Varva is saying "Here is my explicitly historical epic with mad trad vibes." I still want to see where the die fall, since I found the KC:1 experience to be well below background radiation levels but regardless he is still a public relations retarded and I don't trust that he can truly hold Embracer at bay (especially not now). He isn't as based as he seems to think and I have basically put the game into 'wait for sale' status pending news over this.
We're all waiting for the other shoe to drop, but like you said, with how Vavra has reacted it's pointless to try and argue in good faith that anything woke(actually woke, unlike the nonsense being argued right now) inserted into the game wasn't done on purpose to lower the quality of the experience. KCD1 prided itself on zero, none, no wokery and 100% authentic European medieval simulator. KCD2 is not going to be that, and the franchise has been tainted by both "radioactive elements" as you say, and the retardation that revolves around the game due to controversy. Thing is that this is Gamma radiation, the kind where even itsy bitsy amount of it could give you cancer, and I don't think either KCD2 or KCD as a franchise will ever recover. Ask yourself if inclusion of Masa or the gay sex scene was necessary, and if not, why is it there? This is an expensive, long process, pretty much everyone involved has to sign off on it, pay for the labor, waste development time...and for what, if nobody wanted it? You should ask yourself this question instead of asking "Well, why do people have a problem with it if it's ONLY xyz". Critical thinking and even admission that the game you like is tainted even if you already decided you will buy no matter what is what separates a fan from a blind fanboy like Mack who will just cope and seethe.

As for the Cyberpunk comparison, I really don't see why people even bother. It's a game set in California, what were you expecting? Then, of course, it's in the name, it's a CYBERPUNK setting. Poz and society degenerating is the entire point of the game. Does that make it bad? Of course not, you can be as "woke" in a setting like this as you can, the game is awful for different reasons and no, I don't buy that it is "fixed" with the 2.0 update.
See, this is why this kind of purity test is retarded, it doesn't take into the account the context of why concepts or ideas are added, you just have a list of "bad things" that you screech and shit yourself over if you see them. This is why people who overfocus on the anti-woke stuff don't play game, no game aside from maybe Tetris will ever pass their retarded purity test and even then, I doubt their zoomie brains could even digest Tetris since it won't give them an an instant dopamine rush like Subway Surfer would. I mean, we have people in this thread going how Joshua Fucking Graham is "woke", this is what I believe kids call "brainrot".

In what way, shape or form is New Vegas propaganda? It doesn’t really want you to believe in anything, as I clearly outlined in the original post. If you disagree then provide arguments.
It’s also THE lolbert game, the NV community is quite politically diverse. Also if 'proof is in the results' then let it be known that the woketards had to get rid of Avellone and most people who worked on NV when they were capturing obsidian to skinwalk like every other studio. This of course wouldn’t be necessary if Obsidian was already woke. In fact they have provided us with a perfect specimen of what a woke new vegas would’ve looked like in the form of the outer worlds.
What the anti-woke, low IQ cattle doesn't realize is that people want choices in an RPG, choice on who to side with and decisions that make sense for as many different builds as possible. It's in the name, you're not playing as yourself, you're "roleplaying". Ceasar's Legion might be "based", but I usually never side with them because my characters simply gravitate towards House or NCR more. What if I am a female character, am I not allowed to side with NCR all of a sudden as a combat character because women in the military are "cringe" or "woke"? See, the anti-woke doesn't see an RPG as people who actually play them do, they see it as a checklist of things that aren't supposed to be there, and they want to censor or take out the content so it can pass their little purity test. This would result in the exact same playthru for every single character, no different than how SJWs want you to play their games one way and one way only. They simply don't comprehend that you can put in a gay NPC, like Arcade or Veronica, where that doesn't mean anything: It's not done to undermine any other aspect of the game, it is not about sending a message, it is not there to check a DEI checkbox as that didn't exist in the form we know it as today when it was made. They were made gay to enhance worldbuilding and characters, especially in the case of Veronica where being a lesbian is core of her identity within the Brotherhood, but that's a no-no in their world. I already said as much, but they really are no different than SJWs(toxic retards), just replace "white men" or "cisgender" or what have you with something else, anti-woke are just as retarded about putting that in or replacing it with something else they want. Two sides of the same coin, neither plays or understand video games. I wouldn't want any of the "based" people currently misunderstanding the very concepts of Fallout to ever make a game, it would probably be shit. There is a reason not a lot of anti-woke games are made, because they would fail just as hard as the far-left games would, difference is that the latter actually accomplish things and managed to worm their way into the industry. As they blatantly misunderstand how games work and don't care what people want to see in games, rather they just put retarded shit that passes their own purity test, they fail. Every time, and if the shoe was on the other foot, it would fail as well. We're not dealing with common sense "I just want less wokery!" people, we're dealing with retards who want the same thing as wokies, they just want their own particular flavor of bland garbage in the media. Just imagine a world where the fundamental concept behind Joshua Graham was changed because he is "cringe and woke", and instead he was turned into some generic "giga chad" hitler like figure that mindlessly kills the White Legs without any background nuance final game's Joshua has because it is the based thing to do. Would that ruin Honest Hearts and what it had going for it? I would say yes, since arguably he is the main character of the DLC, not you or Daniel or even the tribes.

Synthetic Man reminds me of a poor man's Griffin Gaming. Griffin Gaming knows how to commentate and create content beyond talking over game footage. Synthetic Man's voice is grating to listen to, especially when he just bitches about "woke" content.
It's the opposite for me, Griffin is a diet version of Synth. He does a better job of actually reviewing the games, but not explaining why he thinks they are woke or whatever.
 
Everything is woke to the point where 'it contains leftism' is not a meaningful distinction.
Don't ignore it if it's there. You can call something barely woke or very little woke.
I think the title "non-woke" should only be reserved for those exceptional works that, at most, contain an amount of radiation indistinguishable from background radiation.
thorough rebuttal to my questions
If you depict a post-collapse society with multiracial gangs and tough female warriors who don't need no man, then you’re creating something woke.
In high-stress situations, women line up behind capable men, and people tend to group together based on race.
it is not there to check a DEI checkbox
pointless to try and argue in good faith that anything woke(actually woke, unlike the nonsense being argued right now) inserted into the game wasn't done on purpose to lower the quality of the experience.
Intend does not matter.
There is a reason not a lot of anti-woke games are made, because they would fail just as hard as the far-left games would, difference is that the latter actually accomplish things and managed to worm their way into the industry.
Ever heard of the Toucans?
We're not dealing with common sense "I just want less wokery!" people, we're dealing with retards who want the same thing as wokies, they just want their own particular flavor of bland garbage in the media.
>The gosh darn woke right

What the heck even is your definition of woke?
 
It defeats the purpose of the warning if you slap the label on everything
Everyone That's taking such a big issue with us tards saying "this one aspect is gay, and retarded, but the game is still fine" is going out of their way to ignore the gay aspects, and immediately go on the offence.

None of here is screaming that NV is 100% woke and there's nothing redeemable about it, and you should avoid it forever.
A lot of what I'm reading is in line with the KC2 gay drama shit, Tards like us going:
"that's gay, and the dev's are acting retarded about it with the whole "I know few men who had family. children and then fallen in love with a man" and the (fake fans) shit" and people sticking their neck out for the gay shit with no attempt to see on how some people might find gay sex, pretty fucking gay and retarded.

Just admit you retards never played the games.

"I played 150 hours total across three games, here is why your game is woke"
lmfao, you little babies. My individual playthrus can easily reach higher hour numbers and one lasted over 800 hours
IT'S HAPPENING IN THIS FUCKING THREAD RIGHT NOW
AFTER THESE TWO CLEARLY HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM AS US TARDS WITH KC2 GAY SHIT
LOOK BACK AT THE THREAD. WHY IS FALLOUT GETTING A PASS?
JUST SAY IT'S GAY AND MOVE ON WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS SO HARD
Imagine if I did the same thing with the Catherine Tranny, just because I liked the game a lot.
same with how I'll never defend Tranny grooming, I'll never defend gay shit. No matter how much I like game.
 
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Synth was right with the whole proto-woke thing. Sure, it's not woke by today's standards but wokeness today, while so fucking ludicrous, can be traced back to basic things like tolerating fags and being open-minded in general.
Here is a 3 part media critique series that illustrates Synths point very well.

We have been sliding on that slippery slope for quite some time.
 
The main issue isn't that I'm questing if the lore can somehow explain away anything I call gay.
My problem had been none of you faggots read my posts. I don't care that you call these things woke, my issue has been you retarded dumbasses have been getting things wrong or haven't played the game. I'm mad not that you are calling the game woke or has woke elements, but because you keep getting shit wrong.
How about you actually read any of my damn posts where I even say the game had woke elements.
 
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