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Liz Fong-Jones / Elliot William Fong / @lizthegrey - 'Consent accident' enjoyer, ex-Google employee, nepotistic sex pest, Robert Z'Dar look-alike who wants authority over the Internet
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Tismguide
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We're agreed calling him a "consent accident" haver is A-Ok, right, and it's just "rapist" you dispute?
My standard is that there is a spectrum of confidence, and there is definitely some grey area here. But that includes context, such as the troon shield, multiple extreme consent-related fetishes, and his pattern of intimidating people into silence, that really makes this look like an attempt to get ahead of a victim's narrative by muddying the waters. There is uncertainty. I believe he doesn't consider himself a rapist, but that doesn't mean much from a narcissist.
Are some of the posts in this thread a bit overconfident? Sure, but they're considerably more defensible extrapolations than most, and they explain their reasoning -- look all the insane lies troons make up about the farms, Jesse Singal, calling JKR a preditor comparable to Neil Gaiman, etc.
But what matters here is LFJ's standard. Suppose a cis male colleague of his (not a friend/ally) had tweeted about a "consent accident" -- do you think he would have been sympathetic, or labeled that person a predator via his "whisper networks"? Now suppose Null or mailfrawd had? Hold him to his own standard.
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If this fucker is in America, he may be retarded. Anything outside our borders should be disregarded. You might think its funny, but hes just trying to rile up his baselgbtq+. He never expected you to accommodate his demands, this is a " i want to get on the internet headlines" type move, so they remember he exists/push his outreach.
Imagine yourself being in his gay shoes. Youd have to imagine, the people around you wouldnt know you exist unless you continually 1) speak to your community directly or 2) attempt to expand by making a newsworthy/viral event.
Thats what i think this is, nothing else. Liz Wong Jones is just trying to get significance and your are obliging.
EDIT: I mean think aout it... Why else would ANYONE do anything public if it wasn't for a specific reason. I hate the fact we are playing into his hands, even if its a retarded one. Id much rather him just gain insignificance.
Imagine yourself being in his gay shoes. Youd have to imagine, the people around you wouldnt know you exist unless you continually 1) speak to your community directly or 2) attempt to expand by making a newsworthy/viral event.
Thats what i think this is, nothing else. Liz Wong Jones is just trying to get significance and your are obliging.
EDIT: I mean think aout it... Why else would ANYONE do anything public if it wasn't for a specific reason. I hate the fact we are playing into his hands, even if its a retarded one. Id much rather him just gain insignificance.
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Tismguide
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There is some truth to this, but read the OP -- he already had some degree of online clout as early as 2010 with the real name activism thing, at least in tech. He'd been harassing this place for years (TLL) before he even got a thread here (DKF). He had that article in NYT for the Relay Rides thing. He is absolutely a clout chaser, and I agree that discussion here contributes to that, but I think it is inaccurate to claim that his power solely comes from being a professional victim. At this point, he has worked in public/evangelist/etc roles in tech for years, and has extensive contacts in the industry.
Ignoring literally who professional victims makes sense (though if they benefit from "harassment" they can always fake it with socks).
He's not some literally who rank and file tech bro. He was able to effect the most successful censorship campaign in the history of the internet, much of which continues to this day. It's impressive. It's completely unprecedented. No one would have thought this possible before he did it, and many people still may not realize just how vulnerable our infrastructure is to troon terrorism tactics. People need to know this is possible. People need to know this happened.
He's also rich and resourceful, and has been able to adapt and learn (he used to tweet his every move in DKF before realizing how it looked like organized harassment and was much more effective in back channels) rather than just thrashing around and doubling down like a typical impulsive troon. He is dangerous. Do not underestimate him.
Ignoring him and letting him slither back into the shadows only makes his tactics more effective. He needs to be unmasked, sunshined, and Honeycombed. People need to know what he did, not just the consent accident, but the girl talks, getting archive.org to pretend the tweets don't exist (instead of the usual transparancy that they choose not to provide it), etc. Not just because of him, but because they need to know these things are possible. People need to know "the internet intreprets censorship as damage and routes around it" is fucking dead.
Once these fucks infiltrate and capture institutions and gain institutional power, ignoring them doesn't work anymore, it just helps them metastasize.
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Thing is, though, a lot of Liz’s power is effectively borrowed power. Companies aren’t as interested in kissing the Almighty Gurl Penis as they once were.
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Whether he believes it or not, he wants it to be widely believed.
The only way his shoes are considered gay is that they are the frumpy shoes of an aging butch lesbian.
He is not a lesbian however. He doesn’t really have a sexuality based upon physical sex, his sexuality is based on dominance and submission.
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Kiwi farms is still up and Liz fong jones is still ugly
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Get fucked, rape apologist.
Why are you so obsessed with saying a rape is not a rape, when the rapist clearly raped someone?
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does my nigga Liz know how to finna setup a LAMP server doe
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From my understanding, he usually pays someone else to handle his tech problems.
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Admitting to something no innocent person would admit is enough for me to presume guilt especially when it is in the context of someone who openly approves of raping and strangling women.
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By the very act of admitting to a "consent accident" he's saying he's not innocent. It's what he's guilty of that is the issue.
Where did he openly approve of raping and strangling women?
I can't think of a troon I detest more than this brick-faced cunt, and I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, but I don't understand why so many people are willing to lower their standards and accuse someone of being a rapist based on evidence that wouldn't even get them arrested, never mind convicted in court. The argument that people are judging him by his own standards is nonsense. If you are happy to accuse someone of being a rapist based on next to no evidence, that is being done by your standards, not his.
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Again, that is not him "approving of raping and strangling women". As he considers himself a woman and he considered working for some kink website, it's more like him saying he'd be up for being asphyxiated with a plastic bag.
I've never seen a porn video where a woman is asphyxiated with a plastic bag, but presumably there are kink websites out there with that kind of content on them, and presumably at least some of the women involved consented to that shit, as bizarre as it is.
LOL @ the idea of him being a sex worker though. Who the FUCK would be desperate enough to pay him for sex?
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also, never ever forget how much he seethes when we make fun of him in pidgin Engrish.
HAI ERRIOT CHONG DONG, U WAN' FUCKEE-SUCKEE
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Did you not read that first tweet?
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Obviously. Did you even read my response? You guys are just the right wing version of SJWs. Your standards are no better than theirs, in fact, they literally ARE theirs in this case. That's how dumb you are.
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The man has admitted he has been accused of sexual assault - resulting in the ending of an apparently moderately long friendship.
That doesn't happen for nothing. It also appears that the accuser has gone dark on the entire topic forever, whereas Liz has taken the initiative to weave a narrative ("dog hair on me triggered my accuser into a complete break from reality," if you choose to believe Fong-Jones) that he admits his accuser does not agree is accurate.
...This is not a court of law. And aside from the fact that circumstantial evidence IS EVIDENCE, even in court, personal or public opinions can be formed or declared based on whatever you want.
LFJ has been accused of sexual assault at a minimum. LFJ has alternately characterized it as a consent accident and/or triggered hysteria due to the presence of dog hair.
LFJ has been equally vocal about naming at least one person he claims to have been, among other things, raped by - interestingly, also in the context of "sex-positive" (kink, per LFJ) interactions. Afaihs, he provides no details or evidence other than several paragraphs of repeated accusations. LFJ calls the man, "my rapist." It does not seem wildly unfair for other people also to treat allegations against LFJ as facts, just as he does when he is leveling the accusation at someone else. (And no, I am not aware of LFJ filing a complaint against the man, or of the man being jailed for raping LFJ, though I suppose I could be wrong. Distinction without a difference, though, really, for this.)
His "consent accident": [note: these images show if you tap them, if you're only seeing the red Xes]
Murky, inconsistent, and I heard a whole lot more about how a) not to blame or upset LFJ, and b) suggesting that the victim is hysterical and unreliable and kind of mean, than I did about how to dog hair connects to an allegation of assault. Or even what was the "accident."
"But trust me, bro, it was just an accident. Why would I lie?"
Contrast:
His "rape":
Naming "his rapist."
Explaining he was raped as part of being hypnotized in a scene.
Which scene may possibly itself have been a scene oriented for nonconsensual consent (see the guy's last offering at the link, and note the others, too, focus on being helpless, in a trance, potentially rape play, weapons, etc.)!
But despite the fair likelihood that the whole experience was about purposeful non-consent [which involves a pretty intricate balance, as you can likely imagine, around consent], this was not a "consent accident," but rather a rape.
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We all know the history of this.
You're adding nothing new to the conversation, other than pointing out - ONCE AGAIN - that there is no good evidence that brick face is a rapist. You guys are doing him a favour if anything.