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"If you arrest the people who want to arrest you first, that means they win!"

Dropping a sword in the hopes your enemy will drop his will only end with you getting cut down without a fight.
I can't agree with either of these autistic ideas. I understand fed posting against a fed is a crime, I get that. I just strongly disagree with the internet being real enough to be have an effect on real life. I don't want to see anyone, ever, go to jail for pre-crime, thought-crime or mean words.

It's a slippery slope. Today we're arresting fed posters, tomorrow we're arresting those who question authority. Doesn't the 1A defend free speech?
 
I just strongly disagree with the internet being real enough to be have an effect on real life. I don't want to see anyone, ever, go to jail for pre-crime, thought-crime or mean words.
listen man, i feel for you on this. the problem is, your enemies do not see it this way at all, and when in power, you and everyone else involved will instantly be punished in the way you are advocating against for them to be punished for things ALREADY illegal. it's not like these are new laws or readings.
 
Why are the democrats freaking out this much about the USAID thing, more so than anything I've ever seen before, more than Trump's election, border or any other policy, the gender stuff and even wars?
USAID is the rock democrats were hiding every insidious policy, foreign and domestic, under. Trump lifted that rock and they are scatterring like bugs. Forget the three letter agencies - USAID is a conspiracy theorists wet dream.
 
I can't agree with either of these autistic ideas. I understand fed posting against a fed is a crime, I get that. I just strongly disagree with the internet being real enough to be have an effect on real life. I don't want to see anyone, ever, go to jail for pre-crime, thought-crime or mean words.

It's a slippery slope. Today we're arresting fed posters, tomorrow we're arresting those who question authority. Doesn't the 1A defend free speech?
I half agree with your sentiment but free speech has never, ever protected any variation of yelling "Fire!" in a theatre. Or "I am going to kill you at your house with a gun." With the actual address cited.

And the gay over-seriousification of social media has made it a fruitier public town square where retards can take notes or give marching orders. It's just the sad reality of it as it stands.

We can just barely have have nice things like self defense situation jokes because of the last 8 years of gaylords on SSRIs literally spreading peoples day to day routines and addresses and saying "Haha what if haha what if someone killed them haha :) internet joke."
And that's the reality we have to work with. IDEALLY nobody actually joking or posting the "I'll go to jail but you'll go to the morgue" copypasta gets a stray and I doubt they would because the difference between a gag or a goof and an actual for real murder baiting is pretty obvious from space.

Edit for context: The key difference being one side has gotten away with "Haha here's your address hope no one shoots you at it 🙏" Without consequence for nearly a goddamn decade.
 
Luigi was a very special situation of a man pushed to the limit after a botched medical surgery and decided to take action when he felt there was absolutely no recourse. Health Insurance is a genuinely evil industry, with far more blood on it's hands than any other industry you can come up with. He outright stated in his manifesto that he did not take pleasure in ending the life of another man an never wished harm upon an innocent person, and his decision to do this was something he weighed heavily.

Redditors saw this prinicpled man, and decided to compare him to a Video Game Character. Putting on stupid little mario hats and making memes about it. Putting edits on tiktok. And of course, they look at what he did and think it's the same to do it against a democratically elected official and the people he appointed, including autistic teenagers.

Redditors want him to be their folk hero, but they are mentally immature and if asked luigi would probably be disgusted by them.
Wasn’t it revealed that he was a hypochondriac who thought he had Lyme disease and then got screws in his back against the recommendation of his doctors because Reddit told him to?
 
Gearing up for a whole lot more protests today. Remember folks, these people are violent assholes. If you find yourselves near one, travel in groups, keep your head on a swivel, and if they surround your car, hit the gas.

If you HAVE to be near them for whatever reasons, try and film the worst people. Law enforcement could find that helpful later.

Keep safe my fellow Kiwis.
 
Okay, but there is no good solution because the left is full of monsters who will eat you alive if you show any weakness. Now what?
We deal with them in real life, like men, like the right should. Not having some internet slapfight over people on the internet, like trannies and fags do.
listen man, i feel for you on this. the problem is, your enemies do not see it this way at all, and when in power, you and everyone else involved will instantly be punished in the way you are advocating against for them to be punished for things ALREADY illegal. it's not like these are new laws or readings.
I appreciate the support. The left were in charge, luckily, nothing happened because the modern left are lazy, incompetent cowards.
I don't agree with fighting fire with fire. I'm not saying we should moralfag and be better than our enemies, I'm saying that sometimes, horseshoe theory is real and pitting left vs right so some fuckwit elites can push more control on the people, isn't the fight we should be having.
 
It's a slippery slope. Today we're arresting fed posters, tomorrow we're arresting those who question authority. Doesn't the 1A defend free speech?
Fed posters have been arrested before for much less and it's always one sided which is why people are like "Fuck it, do unto others as they would do unto me."
 
I can't agree with either of these autistic ideas. I understand fed posting against a fed is a crime, I get that. I just strongly disagree with the internet being real enough to be have an effect on real life. I don't want to see anyone, ever, go to jail for pre-crime, thought-crime or mean words.
We are past the point of appealing to common ideals and values. The other side long abandoned them, so applying them equally is fucking gay and stupid. Where we are at now, you protect your friends and you punish your enemies.

We can be magnanimous in victory, but only after our foes have been utterly crushed.
 
I can't agree with either of these autistic ideas. I understand fed posting against a fed is a crime, I get that. I just strongly disagree with the internet being real enough to be have an effect on real life. I don't want to see anyone, ever, go to jail for pre-crime, thought-crime or mean words.

It's a slippery slope. Today we're arresting fed posters, tomorrow we're arresting those who question authority. Doesn't the 1A defend free speech?
There is a categorical difference between bullying someone and threatening someone. This is ingrained in US law. You cannot tell someone "I am going to kill you" and not expect repercussions because the person you say this to is not expected to determine whether you're serious or you're talking shit. There is also an established legal concept in the US of "fighting words," which is why no one cares when a scrawny groyper walks up to a giant gorilla, calls him every slur he can think of, and then gets punched.
 
I half agree with your sentiment but free speech has never, ever protected any variation of yelling "Fire!" in a theatre. Or "I am going to kill you at your house with a gun." With the actual address cited.
The case where we get the "Yell fire in a theater" thing is actually bullshit and the defendants had way more justification for their speech than any of these fedpositng redditors. They published anti-WW1 pamphlets telling people to resist being drafted. That's way more justifiable than fantasizing about murdering college students for being employed by Elon Musk.
 
USAID was used to buy a lot of political influence for years, not just abroad but domestically as well. Without this agency, the Democrats will have a lot of their political operations set back for at least 4 years.

This is exactly it. I would add one thing: because it was founded by Kennedy in the 60s, getting rid of it is another death knell to New Frontier-style governance (big, strategic investments at home and abroad). We had AID for the same reason we had the space program -- idealism mixed with manifest destiny. That mellowed a bit under Nixon etc. and then under Bush I it really became more "new world order" post-Cold War.

Killing AID is a repudiation of how we've been doing things for the past 50 years and going back to something more like Coolidge did in the 1920s, which was awesome as long as you didn't mind the Great Depression.

This is not a revolutionary statement but in my opinion polarization is behind a lot of this. The bureaucracy/"left" has no ability to say "yeah, we got carried away, but the thing you're recommending is deeply ahistorically retarded and perhaps we should not do it" and the tech bros/"right" have no ability to say "yeah, 3 years of experience with JavaScript is not sufficient knowledge to run the world's largest economy, maybe we should ask for help."

And of course, when things blow up (literally or metaphorically), none of those people will suffer. Everyone else will.
 
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