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[Gerelatha]

deffo right thread: Iran is looking for other ways to play ball

they're probably more looking to fund destabilizing terrorist groups than actively attack with fighter jets

 

[Shovelbird]

they're probably more looking to fund destabilizing terrorist groups than actively attack with fighter jets

Who knows? It's not impossible. Consider that Iraq War 2 was a testing ground for coalition weaponry like EMP bombs: Russians may sell a SU35 or two to see how Iranians strike an enemy ship or two.

 

[Ghostse]

Consider that Iraq War 2 was a testing ground for coalition weaponry like EMP bombs:

The fuck are you on about? There are no EMP bombs outside of nukes. Iraq 2 they didn't test shit - there was nothing worth testing ON. Russia already has a testing ground for their weapons (and it...hasn't been good).

Su-35s are also not good platforms for anti-ship missiles. They are air superiority fighters meant to engage other aircraft; you might be thinking of the Su-34 which is the 'strike bomber' derivative from their common ancestor. The Su-35s are meant to keep the Jews from coming in to sack tap them again - or at least make it harder. Su-35 could mount and launch anti-ship missiles, but lack the avionics to do so effectively, which would up the odds they either get Horneted or AEGIS'd before they even launch.

Iran is boned in the region until 2030 and probably longer; the new power in Syria hates them, Lebanon doesn't like them, and while they do have Iraq as a near Puppet, going through Iraq to Syria means going through Sunni areas to get to the border and then at border going though the areas controlled by USSF. They'd be better served focusing their efforts in Yemen.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

The fuck are you on about? There are no EMP bombs outside of nukes. Iraq 2 they didn't test shit - there was nothing worth testing ON. Russia already has a testing ground for their weapons (and it...hasn't been good).

I think he means the "graphite bombs" used to target power stations.

There is such thing as non-nuclear EMPs (see: Flux Compression Generators) the problem is the size of EMP warhead and the limited blast radius associated with it you'd be better off just sticking a conventional boom-boom warhead and blowing up the power stations/transformers/comms centers/etc.

Allegedly they've been testing directed EMP for 2 purposes:
1) Blast a drone out of the sky by killing *enough* of its electronic components, without wasting missiles & ammo
2) Kill the power in a small radius of buildings without killing everyone inside so [insert Western commando force here] can storm in and free hostages from [insert austere group of peace and/or turd world commie rebel here]

Su-35s are also not good platforms for anti-ship missiles. They are air superiority fighters meant to engage other aircraft; you might be thinking of the Su-34 which is the 'strike bomber' derivative from their common ancestor. The Su-35s are meant to keep the Jews from coming in to sack tap them again - or at least make it harder. Su-35 could mount and launch anti-ship missiles, but lack the avionics to do so effectively, which would up the odds they either get Horneted or AEGIS'd before they even launch.

This.
They are also basically extra "missile sponges". Basically the more things Israel or the US would have to target in a preemptive strike the more 1) the odds of something going wrong and 2) the number of munitions and platforms needed in the strike both go up.

They're also a serious threat for Israeli, Jordanian, Turkish & Quatari F-16s.
Saudi & Israeli F-15s + Eurofighters on the later might prove more of a match, and lol much less F-35I.

Iran is boned in the region until 2030 and probably longer; the new power in Syria hates them, Lebanon doesn't like them, and while they do have Iraq as a near Puppet, going through Iraq to Syria means going through Sunni areas to get to the border and then at border going though the areas controlled by USSF. They'd be better served focusing their efforts in Yemen.

Agree 100%.
Iraq is a mess, and it's nominally an Iranian puppet but US still has a shitload of assets in Iraq and a good number of proxies & intel sources, plus "death to America but also death to Iran!" types in the desert.
I'm pretty sure it was Kris Paranto who said it, but basically working in Iraq, they knew where the Iranian IRGC guys where, and the Iranians knew where they were but neither side was allowed to fuck with each other by their respective handlers. Might have been one of the other JSSOC-to-PMC muscleheads though.

Yemen is Iran's most successful proxy war, for now; but after Gaza I would be surprised if the Saudis weren't watching and taking notes about how they might be able get away with a proper "total Shiite starvation" campaign if the civil war heats up again.

 

[Ghostse]

I think he means the "graphite bombs" used to target power stations.

Reasonable, but those were already tested/proven in Serbia.

There is such thing as non-nuclear EMPs (see: Flux Compression Generators) the problem is the size of EMP warhead and the limited blast radius associated with it you'd be better off just sticking a conventional boom-boom warhead and blowing up the power stations/transformers/comms centers/etc.

that's fair; I should have specified there is no VIABLE EMP Bombs currently.

Allegedly they've been testing directed EMP for 2 purposes:
1) Blast a drone out of the sky by killing *enough* of its electronic components, without wasting missiles & ammo
2) Kill the power in a small radius of buildings without killing everyone inside so [insert Western commando force here] can storm in and free hostages from [insert austere group of peace and/or turd world commie rebel here]

Directed EMP is a whole different animal, but wasn't really a thing in Iraq 2.

They're also a serious threat for Israeli, Jordanian, Turkish & Quatari F-16s.

I was going to comment that the Su-35s would be a threat on paper, but in reality they would piloted by Arabs, but so would the non-Israeli F-16s.
yes yes I know Iranians hoot and screech about Persians not being Arab, and until they were purged and replaced with loyalist stooges the Iranian F-14 pilots were legit skilled. I know, I just don't care

Iraq is a mess, and it's nominally an Iranian puppet but US still has a shitload of assets in Iraq and a good number of proxies & intel sources, plus "death to America but also death to Iran!" types in the desert.
I'm pretty sure it was Kris Paranto who said it, but basically working in Iraq, they knew where the Iranian IRGC guys where, and the Iranians knew where they were but neither side was allowed to fuck with each other by their respective handlers. Might have been one of the other JSSOC-to-PMC muscleheads though.

Yeah I should specify that Iran controls the head of Iraq but not the body. But deals with corrupt politicians & militia leaders is all you'd need to get your overland smuggling route going; the problem is the Sunni militia won't buy off (well, won't buy off cheaply/easily) and even then your routes go right into US controlled territory. Which isn't a solid barrier or anything, but just limits what and how much you can sneak in.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

https://tass.com/defense/1904833

LMAO.

24 modern -ish jets will SURELY MAKE THE ZIONISTS QUAKE IN FEAR.

The IRAF actually has more operational F-14s (30-40) than it'll have Su-35s.

If it was say a full wing (72 jets) plus hundreds of R-77Ms and R-37Ms and a few dozen Su-30SM2s and/or Su-34s.... Ok now I'll take notice.

In reality it brings 1-2 squadrons of the IRAF to ~2010 in terms of capabilities.

They're also a serious threat for Israeli, Jordanian, Turkish & Quatari F-16s.
Saudi & Israeli F-15s + Eurofighters on the later might prove more of a match, and lol much less F-35I.

Ehhh maybe. Israeli, Qatari, Turkish and Emirati F-16s are all very good jets and are pretty damn modern or, in terms of the UAE F-16s, some of the best on Earth.

The R-77M MIGHT be as good as the Aim-120C-8 but it's probably not quite as good as the AIM-120D the Israelis get.

Besides, all of those countries sans Turkey use other jets too.

Israel and Qatar use very modern F-15s and Qatar and the UAE are also using Rafales. Qatar and Kuwait also have Typhoons and the excellent Meteor AAM.

Western electronics and radar are BETTER than anything the Su series has installed and Western AESA sets are in certain F-16s wheel there isn't a single operational Su series with an AESA radar.

Think of the Su-35 as an F-15C with a PESA radar and possibly slightly better kinematic performance.

I was going to comment that the Su-35s would be a threat on paper, but in reality they would piloted by Arabs, but so would the non-Israeli F-16s.
yes yes I know Iranians hoot and screech about Persians not being Arab, and until they were purged and replaced with loyalist stooges the Iranian F-14 pilots were legit skilled. I know, I just don't care

The IRAF was purged by the IRGC in the 1990s.

I'd honestly not be surprised if the IRGCAF takes the Su-35s for itself and not the "morally suspect" IRAF. Yes the IRGC has an Aerospace branch and a Navy.

 

[warhammerautist]

LMAO.


24 modern -ish jets will SURELY MAKE THE ZIONISTS QUAKE IN FEAR.

The IRAF actually has more operational F-14s (30-40) than it'll have Su-35s.

If it was say a full wing (72 jets) plus hundreds of R-77Ms and R-37Ms and a few dozen Su-30SM2s and/or Su-34s.... Ok now I'll take notice.

In reality it brings 1-2 squadrons of the IRAF to ~2010 in terms of capabilities.

R-37Ms with decent far range radars can still blow-up F-16s at a far distance and I have my doubts they would even bother to use F-35s with possible risks that can entail viral headlines from happening.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

R-37Ms with decent far range radars can still blow-up F-16s at a far distance and I have my doubts they would even bother to use F-35s with possible risks that can entail viral headlines from happening.

That remains a maybe and then you still need to think about F-15s, Eurofighters, Mirage 2000s and Rafales.

Oh and it came out recently that the AIM-174B will be carried by F-15s and possibly even F-16s.

As for Syria, the next 6 months are crucial to see how effective the new government is after inheriting a literal failed state.

 

[warhammerautist]

That remains a maybe and then you still need to think about F-15s, Eurofighters, Mirage 2000s and Rafales.

Oh and it came out recently that the AIM-174B will be carried by F-15s and possibly even F-16s.

As for Syria, the next 6 months are crucial to see how effective the new government is after inheriting a literal failed state.

USN only confirmed 240kms, on the AIM, in the 1990s the mig-31 scored an aerial target take down at 300kms from the 1990s.

 

[Gerelatha]

USN only confirmed 240kms, on the AIM

SM-6 has a range in excess of 400km when launched from a ship

in the 1990s the mig-31 scored an aerial target take down at 300kms from the 1990s.

Do you have a source on this? I’ve never heard this before.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Ehhh maybe. Israeli, Qatari, Turkish and Emirati F-16s are all very good jets and are pretty damn modern or, in terms of the UAE F-16s, some of the best on Earth.

The R-77M MIGHT be as good as the Aim-120C-8 but it's probably not quite as good as the AIM-120D the Israelis get.

Besides, all of those countries sans Turkey use other jets too.

Israel and Qatar use very modern F-15s and Qatar and the UAE are also using Rafales. Qatar and Kuwait also have Typhoons and the excellent Meteor AAM.

Western electronics and radar are BETTER than anything the Su series has installed and Western AESA sets are in certain F-16s wheel there isn't a single operational Su series with an AESA radar.

Think of the Su-35 as an F-15C with a PESA radar and possibly slightly better kinematic performance.

Yeah I'm not saying that F-16s, especially the modern "Desert Falcons", are a bad plane by any means. Just that a lightweight multirole fighter is going to find a serious adversary in a heavyweight air-superiority fighter.

You might have a point about the Su-35's PESA vs the F-16 Block whatever's AESA radar though.

Otherwise yeah, as I said F-15s are 100% more of a match for Su-35. Same likely applies to Rafales as well.

USN only confirmed 240kms, on the AIM, in the 1990s the mig-31 scored an aerial target take down at 300kms from the 1990s.

That's only confirmed, to be fair.
US tends to underestimate or outright classify the actual performance of its shinier new shit.

That being said the missile used by the MiG-31 was much more likely the R-37, and not R-77. At the moment we don't even know what missiles the Russians will or won't sell, be they R-77, R-37, the newer shortened R-37 for the Femboy, etc.

SM-6 has a range in excess of 400km when launched from a ship

That is with a rocket booster used to get the missile from the ship (sea level) into the air. Its much too big to fit onto the fighter, and so the F/A-18s only carry the actual post-jettison missile body. That being said, an F/A-18 launching the missile from altitude and at-speed likely compensates for the lack of a booster, somewhat.

The reality is both R-37 and AIM-174B are going to have issues hitting a maneuvering fighter-sized target at altitude at those distances.

However, AWACS, JSTARS, ELINT, cargo planes, bombers, etc. are all viable targets; and you can even add ballistic missiles to the menu for AIM-174B.

 

[Ghostse]

R-37Ms with decent far range radars can still blow-up F-16s at a far distance and I have my doubts they would even bother to use F-35s with possible risks that can entail viral headlines from happening.

You need to stop huffing that Sovietoid cope.
The R-37M is a long-range, low maneuverability missile, an "AWACS Killer". The numbers you are incorrectly citing are from Russia using them against other soviet-patterned aircraft in an environment where aircraft with look-down RADAR launching from altitude were attacking targets operating in a a SAM saturated environment. this means if the plane got much above 500ft for any significant period of time, the R-37 lock was going to be the least of its issues. Russian pilots still were required to launch about a half dozen at once, and a kill on the target wasn't guaranteed.
Additionally, their targets were mostly attack aircraft armed for ground strike, as mentioned flying at tree-level, with no CAP cover giving Russian pilots time to get, hold, and maintain locks with no fear of retaliation.

Against even a modern F-16 (and the Israeli F-16s are fully upgraded with their own home-grown ECM pods) that wouldn't have its operational envelop constrained, the R-37M is going to be like a a garbage truck trying to ram a corvette. Against an F-35 it is unlikely the Su-35 on a good day, let alone ones built during sanctions, will have the avionics to get a lock on the F-35 let alone at distance. OTOH, who knows what aftermarket Chinese parts the Iranians might get their hands on.

And that is to say nothing of the fact the Iranian/IRCG airforce, even if they had full delivery of all 50 Su-35s right now, would still be outnumbered atleat 4-to-1, making R-37 spam not a very viable strategy.

Adding to this, Russia has not managed an R-37 (or any AtA) kill since Ukrainan got their 8 7 F-16s and AIM-120s and begun flying defensive CAP with them. It seems Russia has pulled their fighters back outside of R-37 range on fears Ukrainian CAP might have AIM-120s, which doesn't speak very well of Russian command's confidence in their ability to hit back with the R-37.

tl;dr:
R-37 isn't a dog fighting missile, its meant to hit 747s with the potential for use against ships. It hasn't been tested against non-Soviet aircraft that are not outnumbered and envelope-constrained by saturated SAM spam. Even with advantages such as targets pinned down by SAM, unable to fire back, and with the attacking aircraft facing no threats, kills still take 6+ launches.

The reality is both R-37 and AIM-174B are going to have issues hitting a maneuvering fighter-sized target at altitude at those distances.

This right here. They are designed for C&C/AWACS assets, and potentially ships - targets with with low maneuverability and large size. Both would struggle against fighters, but that's also not what they were designed to engage.

That is with a rocket booster used to get the missile from the ship (sea level) into the air. Its much too big to fit onto the fighter, and so the F/A-18s only carry the actual post-jettison missile body. That being said, an F/A-18 launching the missile from altitude and at-speed likely compensates for the lack of a booster, somewhat.

I think @Gerelatha is responding to a post where the initial assertion was that Russia wanted Su-35 combat data launching against ships (aka the USN in the Persian Gulf) and they are likely referring to what the USN ships would have to defend themselves before we even bring aircraft into the mix.

Do you have a source on this? I’ve never heard this before.

This is a new one for me as well.

LMAO.
24 modern -ish jets will SURELY MAKE THE ZIONISTS QUAKE IN FEAR.

The IRAF actually has more operational F-14s (30-40) than it'll have Su-35s.

For full disclosure, the full order is for 50. This would let them engage IDF F-16s at 1:1 provided the F-35 pilots decided to sit it out because "They need to learn to fight their own battles" and/or "No, hold on a sec, this looks like its going to be funny."

 

[Gerelatha]

For full disclosure, the full order is for 50. This would let them engage IDF F-16s at 1:1 provided the F-35 pilots decided to sit it out because "They need to learn to fight their own battles" and/or "No, hold on a sec, this looks like its going to be funny."

As crappy as the IDF ground forces are their Air Force would absolutely dog walk Irans even if they had 150 Su-35s, the last time the Russians (then soviets) were sure their planes would beat the IDF, Nasser had to order his men to stop laughing at them.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Adding to this, Russia has not managed an R-37 (or any AtA) kill since Ukrainan got their 8 7 F-16s and AIM-120s and begun flying defensive CAP with them. It seems Russia has pulled their fighters back outside of R-37 range on fears Ukrainian CAP might have AIM-120s, which doesn't speak very well of Russian command's confidence in their ability to hit back with the R-37

Russia is claiming a Su-27 from a few weeks ago and Ukraine confirmed the death of the pilot and the loss of the jet. Either a R-37M or a R-77

We've also almost certainly seen a Mig-29 getting hit by a R-37M on camera.

The missile is dangerous if you have no warning and aren't maneuvering (what is exactly what the Mig-29 was doing)

For full disclosure, the full order is for 50. This would let them engage IDF F-16s at 1:1 provided the F-35 pilots decided to sit it out because "They need to learn to fight their own battles" and/or "No, hold on a sec, this looks like its going to be funny.

Ah so it'll almost certainly replace all remaining operational F-4s or even F-14s.

As crappy as the IDF ground forces are their Air Force would absolutely dog walk Irans even if they had 150 Su-35s, the last time the Russians (then soviets) were sure their planes would beat the IDF, Nasser had to order his men to stop laughing at them

The IDF ground forces are, by and large, a massive conscript army that performs above average for a conscript Army. It's also ridiculously casualty adverse.

The professional IDF ground elements are pretty good with their SF being very good / excellent.

As for the Soviets in Egypt.... LMAO. Even the North Koreans were better than them.

 

[warhammerautist]

You need to stop huffing that Sovietoid cope.
The R-37M is a long-range, low maneuverability missile, an "AWACS Killer". The numbers you are incorrectly citing are from Russia using them against other soviet-patterned aircraft in an environment where aircraft with look-down RADAR launching from altitude were attacking targets operating in a a SAM saturated environment. this means if the plane got much above 500ft for any significant period of time, the R-37 lock was going to be the least of its issues. Russian pilots still were required to launch about a half dozen at once, and a kill on the target wasn't guaranteed.
Additionally, their targets were mostly attack aircraft armed for ground strike, as mentioned flying at tree-level, with no CAP cover giving Russian pilots time to get, hold, and maintain locks with no fear of retaliation.

Against even a modern F-16 (and the Israeli F-16s are fully upgraded with their own home-grown ECM pods) that wouldn't have its operational envelop constrained, the R-37M is going to be like a a garbage truck trying to ram a corvette. Against an F-35 it is unlikely the Su-35 on a good day, let alone ones built during sanctions, will have the avionics to get a lock on the F-35 let alone at distance. OTOH, who knows what aftermarket Chinese parts the Iranians might get their hands on.

And that is to say nothing of the fact the Iranian/IRCG airforce, even if they had full delivery of all 50 Su-35s right now, would still be outnumbered atleat 4-to-1, making R-37 spam not a very viable strategy.

Adding to this, Russia has not managed an R-37 (or any AtA) kill since Ukrainan got their 8 7 F-16s and AIM-120s and begun flying defensive CAP with them. It seems Russia has pulled their fighters back outside of R-37 range on fears Ukrainian CAP might have AIM-120s, which doesn't speak very well of Russian command's confidence in their ability to hit back with the R-37.

tl;dr:
R-37 isn't a dog fighting missile, its meant to hit 747s with the potential for use against ships. It hasn't been tested against non-Soviet aircraft that are not outnumbered and envelope-constrained by saturated SAM spam. Even with advantages such as targets pinned down by SAM, unable to fire back, and with the attacking aircraft facing no threats, kills still take 6+ launches.

There are 3 variations of the Su-35, Iran is receiving the Su-35E, there is the Su-35S and the next following year Su-35SM.
Its not just AWACs, from the reports that at least what I am receiving is that the missile could be used for fighter aircrafts. I don't know about Ukrainian sources, but Russian sources sure love to brag about the missile hitting Ukrainian Sukhoi's or Migs(dont blame NATO taking a long ass time to deliver the F-16s, I don't even think they were operationally used yet or ever will be).

The new variations of the Su-35s come with new radars, EW systems and even RAM but I have no idea if the Su-35E is to be equipped with Irbis or the N011M Bars radar. Even if there are just 50 of these aircrafts, they can track an engage multiple targets on the amount of missiles they can carry. The Zaslon-M radar still managed to hit an aerial target 300kms away and the detection range of that radar was at least 20m2 from 400kms away so at 300kms the target could be smaller. F-16s are like 3-5m2 from so many different online sources. I am not getting any information as to what the Su-35Es have but if it's the Bars radar it will be limited and better suited off with R-77s, if its with the Irbis than it can use the full extent of the R-37 missiles. If Israel is equipped with Aim-120Ds along with their own latest EW systems and the Su-35 Iran is receiving is a downgrade than it won't be an issue for them, but they will have problems if the Su-35 is equipped with irbis and L-265 EW systems and their options of choice being R-37s.

The amount of oopsies with news on the F-35, I guarantee you they will not send one because if some kind of malfunction or fuck up happens to the aircraft crash landing somewhere in Iran or a hostile middle eastern country, that will be a trillion-dollar project being compromised.

 

[Gerelatha]

Even if there are just 50 of these aircrafts, they can track an engage multiple targets on the amount of missiles they can carry.

every fox3 capable 4th gen in existence can do this

L-265 EW systems

massively less capable than the lock-while-jam function of the AN/APG-81 on the F-35, that EW system is known for popping radars in Syria multiple times

The Zaslon-M radar still managed to hit an aerial target 300kms

never heard this, substantiate your claims

The amount of oopsies with news on the F-35

F-35 has a lower accident rate than F-16 and F-15, the accidents just get more publicity

but Russian sources sure love to brag about the missile hitting Ukrainian Sukhoi's or Migs

considering the dogshit quality of your sources earlier in this thread (SPRINTER SAID DA RUSSIANS R SAVING ASSAD!!!!) I would take them with a dead sea amount of salt

 

[Ghostse]

As much I love milsperging. This is fighere deliveries to Iran, Iran has been removed from Syria, and isn't getting back anytime soon. Those Su-35s might as well have been delivered to the moon for as much as they'll influence events in Syria. So this is all well off topic.

Spoiler: final milsperg

There are 3 variations of the Su-35, Iran is receiving the Su-35E, there is the Su-35S and the next following year Su-35SM.
Its not just AWACs, from the reports that at least what I am receiving is that the missile could be used for fighter aircrafts. I don't know about Ukrainian sources, but Russian sources sure love to brag about the missile hitting Ukrainian Sukhoi's or Migs(dont blame NATO taking a long ass time to deliver the F-16s, I don't even think they were operationally used yet or ever will be).

Since you're swallowing soviet cope, I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suite.
But I already addressed that: the fighters the R-37 is hitting fighters that cannot manuever nor strike back. This is not the same as engaging an opponent that can fully manuever and is able to shoot back.

And F-16s - the ones the Former Soviet missile commander in charge of their airforse didn't hand over to a guy who literally flew one into the ground - have been flying defensive sorties, striking Russian cruise missiles and iirc providing lock data for ground AAD. F-16s were also involved in a Su-34 shootdown, but iirc the killshot was a SAM. Honestly I can't keep track of all the Su-34s russia has lost.

@Gerelatha covers anything else I 'd point out. The capabilities you are bragging have been standard in western jets for the past 4 decades, other than the unsourced claims of max performance. Which given how Russian equipment has been performing when pitted against other Soviet equipment, makes me press X very heavily that those numbers reflect anything close to actual battlefield performance.

And we're still waiting for those paratroops to show up outside of Homs.

Russia is claiming a Su-27 from a few weeks ago and Ukraine confirmed the death of the pilot and the loss of the jet. Either a R-37M or a R-77

We've also almost certainly seen a Mig-29 getting hit by a R-37M on camera.

The missile is dangerous of foy have no warning and aren't maneuvering (what is exactly what the Mig-29 was doing)

Fair, I haven't been keeping up to the latest on the airwar, but there was a large gap where Russian Air Command was very nervous after a (purported) radar lock from an F-16 within theoretical AIM-120 range before the jet was lost.

And in the case of the Mig-29 as I said: its possible to engage fighter-sized targets, but you aren't hitting anything unless you can restrict manueverability: combat environment, and/or multiple launches. And I guess I can "Pilot inattention" to that list.

And yes, the Su-35s are the F-14 replacements. They've been on order for quite a while, and given current events its likely full delivery will take even longer.

 

[cybertoaster]

For all the help Iran sent to Russia I was expecting they would get the Su57 since nobody else is buying it either.

dont blame NATO taking a long ass time to deliver the F-16s, I don't even think they were operationally used yet or ever will be

Didn't those get sent to Argentina?

and even RAM

Why put RAM on a plane that's not designed to be stealth at all? how much of a difference does the added weight and cost of that make?

 

[warhammerautist]

Why put RAM on a plane that's not designed to be stealth at all? how much of a difference does the added weight and cost of that make?

it lowers the radar cross section even if it doesn't have the aerodynamic shape for it. There is a big difference in tracking a 0.5m2 over a 1m2 target that can move closer to adversary targets with less notice of getting detected. if you have a 160km missile and your adversary has a 200km missile as an example and you both have radars that track at 200kms for 3m2 targets. His RCS(radar cross section) is 3m2 and yours is 0.5m2 the calculations can show that you can launch that missile at him from 160kms without getting noticed or getting the 1st shot before he gets the chance to track you and fire a missile back

massively less capable than the lock-while-jam function of the AN/APG-81 on the F-35, that EW system is known for popping radars in Syria multiple times

https://rostec.ru/upload/iblock/749/7499bd4f8161ec87a58c080c077564e8.pdf

GaN is the type of the line shit most country's want aviation wise for their radars or EW systems over GaAs. 3 of the 4 T/R modules belong to the Su-57, Su-35 and Su-34. Su-57 received the Himalayas in 2014, the Su-35 received khibiny-M in 2016 and the Su-34 received new Tarantula EW systems in 2018. However news reports have come out yesterday the Su-57M with new engines, avionics and weapons will be produced and serialized at the end of 2025, Su-35SM will have newer missiles and avionics with upgraded for 2025 and that there will be one static and one flyable prototype of the Su-75 where they will await contracts to be signed before implementing production.

never heard this, substantiate your claims

you are too lazy to do a simple google search

F-35 has a lower accident rate than F-16 and F-15, the accidents just get more publicity

I get it, but they can't afford that small possibility of a fuck up happening unless the US is cool with Iran taking parts of the F-35 and giving its allies data on the material it uses and recreating the shape to give them a better understanding of its stealth.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

To echo what @Ghostse said, let's move all of the fun mil sperging to the military sperging thread.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/military-equipment-sperging-thread.200109/page-28

As for Syria, more and more Assadist officers are getting arrested and will be on trial for crimes committed during the civil war soon enough.

I cannot WAIT to see the cope from Western Assad supporters as his people get put on Syrian edition Nuremberg trials.